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Former Senator Bob Graham agrees.

Former Sen. Bob Graham has demanded that the Obama administration release the 28 redacted pages in a report on the 9/11 attacks he co-authored, saying they show how Saudi Arabia likely bankrolled the terrorists.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Bob-Graham-911-report-Saudis/2015/01/12/id/618017/

Bandar Bankrolled the Believers? I thought Saddam Hussein, the Taliban, Putin, Ghaddafyi, and the Ayatollah financed 9/11.

This is a very important post which I hope will engender wide discussion. Thank you for posting it Patrick.

Meanwhile in the second home of Muslim Fundamentalists, Egypt:

CAIRO (Reuters) -
Douma, a leading figure in the pro-democracy revolt that toppled autocrat Hosni Mubarak, was convicted of rioting, inciting violence and attacking security forces in late 2011.

The court also sentenced 229 others to life in jail in absentia for the same charges, and 39 juveniles received 10-year sentences in absentia. Life sentences in Egypt last 25 years.

The judge, Mohamed Nagi Shehata, jailed three Al Jazeera journalists, including Australian Peter Greste, last year in a case that provoked an international outcry, and has sentenced hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood supporters to death.

He runs a criminal court in Giza, a satellite city of Cairo, and has played a prominent role in the Egyptian judiciary's mass jailings of Islamist and liberal demonstrators since Islamist president Mohamed Mursi was deposed in mid-2013.

Douma was among protesters in Cairo and other cities who called on the military council which ruled Egypt for 18 months after Mubarak's ouster to give up power.

Like several other prominent activists well-known in Egypt for their roles in the 2011 uprising, Douma has been jailed by every Egyptian leader since Mubarak: the military council, Mursi, and former army chief Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, who went on to become elected president.

When Shehata read his verdict, Douma laughed and clapped from his courtroom cage. The judge - who also fined Douma 17 million Egyptian pounds ($2 million) - then threatened to jail him for another three years for insulting the court.

When do the sanctions begin for this egregious human rights violation? (Douma is not an Islamist, but a Liberal - notice how careful Reuters is to mention "Islamist" everytime it mentions "Liberals" to confuse the reader as to what group Douma belongs to. Good Reuters, Good dog!)

The saudi's and pakistani's fund and support the vast majority of terrorists and terrorism. Plus pakistan has been selling nuclear around the world to anyone wiling to pay for 20 years. It's good to have allies.

Hillary got $500k of Jewels in 2013 from the King Beheader Abdullah.

http://thehill.com/regulation/administration/319383-administration-discloses-bounty-of-gifts-from-foreign-leaders

This is what going to happen, Isis, which appears to be created by CIA, will get strong enough, then attack Iran,

Iran Iraq war 1970 again, this will make those countries buy weapons from us with cheap oil, we make money on weapons, and eliminate Iran n Russia .

Patrick - how can I get in touch with u? Got some ideas n want to discuss with u

the saudis attacked us on sep 11th, duh

They did? They flew the magical aluminum planes that cut through iron and concrete like a hot knife through butter without even losing a wing or engine?

Anyone multicellular who didn't come from spores knows that the labor unions did this.

Right-to-work laws are the best insurance that thermite and hologram planes never again cause symbols of America to plummet earthward faster than free-fall. Never again should union dues extracted by force be used to kill thousands.

komputodo says

They did? They flew the magical aluminum planes that cut through iron and concrete like a hot knife through butter without even losing a wing or engine?

The outside of the WTC was aluminum alloy sheets and glass, not iron (I think you mean steel, the last iron framed hi rise building was 1895, try to keep current) and concrete. Believe or not (you won't) it's not hard to penetrate a sheet of aluminiun and glass with a 500mph projectile.

It is a far better thing to remain silent and appear to be a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Mark Twain.

komputodo says

Does that new navy rail gun shoot a hollow sheet aluminum projectile? Is it's muzzle velocity less than 300 mph? Last time I checked, my car wasn't made of steel reinforced concrete.

Also the fact that expert pilots claim it would be nearly impossible to fly that plane into the center of the building and nobody actually heard the plane overhead who's engines would have been screaming at max revs.

Ii is interesting though to observe how many people are invested in this tale and are willing to defend it by name calling. You disappoint me. I thought you were a rational thinker.

Are you serious? Are you implying that planes didn't actually fly into the building? There is video of the 2nd plane. And pictures of the first plane.

komputodo says

Are you serious? Are you implying that planes didn't actually fly into the building?

Of course the planes didn't actually fly into the building. Aliens pulled the planes out of the sky with a tractor beam, sent all the people back to their home planet as sex slaves, then brought down the towers with an invisible death ray. Expert pilots say so.

tatupu70 says

And pictures of the first plane

AND video of firemen on the street reacting to an odd plane flying where it shouldn't be, immediately prior to hitting the north tower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk

At this point, I've just got to write off ~20% of the American public as totally, irretrievably idiotic.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Is kompudodo posting on YouTube? Check out this humdinger of a comment from that video:

How did the camera man know to swing the camera hard to the left and wait for the impact of the plane? Lucky coincidence? I think not. The photographer knows exactly where to point the view finder... doesn't swing past the impact point, even though a sound bouncing around all those skyscrapers cannot possibly indicate where an impact will happen. To add to it, he or she was clearly hired to film the strangely coincidental FEMA exercise on the same day... like the strangely coincidental NORAD scrambling exercise on 9/11, and the strangely coincidental Emergency underground drill on 7/7 for the London bombings, taking place at the same time as that incident.

My personal conspiracy theory is that elements within the administration national security apparatus knew the hijackings were going to happen but chose to not bust the hijackers to see what happened

is always good for business. If so, the hijackers had bigger plans!

One explanation then for all the BS conspiracy theories floating around now is counter-intelligence to poison the well and cover their tracks.

Not that this would be necessary; then again why the FBI chose to ignore the field reports of middle easterners learning just the basics of how to fly commercial aircraft still is most curious . . .

Just one simple question for those that have decided that I'm a complete idiot.

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Is fuck no simple enough?

In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.'

Stephen J Gould

Not everything can be 'theoretically possible', otherwise the words have no meaning.

But it is "theoretically possible" that the planes were remotely controlled, just like it's "theoretically possible" somebody in the FBI knew of the entire plot but decided to let it happen anyway.

But to move beyond "theoretically possible" towards the realm of facts requires evidence, not just conspiracy theories.

komputodo says

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

No-- It's not possible. There were multiple live feeds showing a plane flying into the tower. It happened.

Clearly Eric Lensehr was involved, just as in the JFK assassination:

JFK was assassinated?!

J'ouvre le lever de francois

komputodo says

Just one simple question for those that have decided that I'm a complete idiot.

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

No.
What kind of people would believe in these bizarre conspiracy theories?

I want to thank G.W.Bush & the Republicans for protecting America on 9/11.

komputodo,
If you are a complete idiot,your in good company, There are Republicans & Democrats here.

I can't speak on behalf of extreme 911 conspiracy theories at all, because I don't see the point in them, but I have always had doubts about WTC7's collapse.

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker. Which movie was it where Gene Hackman destroys a building because someone made a phone call? Of course in that he had his headquarters pre-prepped for demolition "just in case". A good Boy Scout is always prepared.

Remember George Bush the secret Muslim who is in bed with the terrorists?

Get a room, you two!

Dan8267 says

Why do you hate true love?

Behead those who take note of the US-Saudi Relationship! They will not smell the paradise!

Call it Crazy says

Dan's jealous.... His boyfriend doesn't look like that...

Homophobes have small minds and small penises.

If I were gay, my boyfriends, note the plural, would look like

Basically, they would look like me. So how about you? What would your boyfriends look like if you were gay? Or are you so insecure in your sexuality you can't answer that?

deepcgi says

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker.

WTC wasn't such a structure.

What'd the 1993 truck bomb do? Certainly didn't knock down the building and that was 1300 pounds of crafted explosives.

Don't you think people in the building, would notice entire floors blocked off for install? Tons of explosives being rolled into the building? Workers putting it in place?

Hollywood fantasy doesn't add points.

thunderlips11 says

Hillary got $500k of Jewels in 2013 from the King Beheader Abdullah.

Do they become her or betray her?

sbh says

He would go for the ones that swallow:

always pushing the bottom to new lows... you are one sick fuck

Clearly CIC is a homophobe which probably means he's fighting latent homosexual desires and failing. Now if only he could date within his species and outside of his family.

How do they prep something to make it fall faster than freefall?

Quigley says

Ok I thought rail guns worked on principle of magnetic acceleration? Aluminum is NOT a magnet-affected metal. So how can what you say be true? Source link would be good!

Good Point this thread gets more and more non seqitur.

First, the explosions started at the top, just as in no controlled demolition ever - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then the buildings fell faster than freefall due to special thrusters installed in the upper floors to accelerate them downward - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then WTC 7 fell several hours later, in a controlled demolition - whoo, whoo, wooo - which does absolutely nothing to make the "faked" attack more realistic or terrifying - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Glowing, not molten, steel was found in the rubble - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Strategist says

What kind of people would believe in these bizarre conspiracy theories?

The kind of people that don't automatically discount the opinions of people like John Lear and many others just because they don't coincide with the stories told by Brian Williams and Katie Kouric.

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk.

The kind of people that can open up their minds a bit and don't feel the need to shout people down when they are presented with an alternative idea.

You get the idea.

komputodo says

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

HydroCabron says

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

I never thought of John Lear as being a person in power.

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

komputodo says

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

Do you have any idea how weak this sounds?

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911 and the average American citizen is both poorer and less safe.

This is the typical conspiracy theory basis--someone had a motive. But the problem is that motive, in itself, is not evidence of anything. I've yet to see an 9/11 alternate theory that actually details what they think happened. It's always just trying to poke holes in the official version. If and when I ever see a version that details exactly what really happened on 9/11, then I'll pay attention.