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tatupu70 says

And pictures of the first plane

AND video of firemen on the street reacting to an odd plane flying where it shouldn't be, immediately prior to hitting the north tower.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk

At this point, I've just got to write off ~20% of the American public as totally, irretrievably idiotic.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Is kompudodo posting on YouTube? Check out this humdinger of a comment from that video:

How did the camera man know to swing the camera hard to the left and wait for the impact of the plane? Lucky coincidence? I think not. The photographer knows exactly where to point the view finder... doesn't swing past the impact point, even though a sound bouncing around all those skyscrapers cannot possibly indicate where an impact will happen. To add to it, he or she was clearly hired to film the strangely coincidental FEMA exercise on the same day... like the strangely coincidental NORAD scrambling exercise on 9/11, and the strangely coincidental Emergency underground drill on 7/7 for the London bombings, taking place at the same time as that incident.

My personal conspiracy theory is that elements within the administration national security apparatus knew the hijackings were going to happen but chose to not bust the hijackers to see what happened

is always good for business. If so, the hijackers had bigger plans!

One explanation then for all the BS conspiracy theories floating around now is counter-intelligence to poison the well and cover their tracks.

Not that this would be necessary; then again why the FBI chose to ignore the field reports of middle easterners learning just the basics of how to fly commercial aircraft still is most curious . . .

Just one simple question for those that have decided that I'm a complete idiot.

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Is fuck no simple enough?

In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.'

Stephen J Gould

Not everything can be 'theoretically possible', otherwise the words have no meaning.

But it is "theoretically possible" that the planes were remotely controlled, just like it's "theoretically possible" somebody in the FBI knew of the entire plot but decided to let it happen anyway.

But to move beyond "theoretically possible" towards the realm of facts requires evidence, not just conspiracy theories.

komputodo says

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

No-- It's not possible. There were multiple live feeds showing a plane flying into the tower. It happened.

Clearly Eric Lensehr was involved, just as in the JFK assassination:

JFK was assassinated?!

J'ouvre le lever de francois

komputodo says

Just one simple question for those that have decided that I'm a complete idiot.

Is it theoretically possible that there were no airplanes that crashed into the towers?

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

No.
What kind of people would believe in these bizarre conspiracy theories?

I want to thank G.W.Bush & the Republicans for protecting America on 9/11.

komputodo,
If you are a complete idiot,your in good company, There are Republicans & Democrats here.

I can't speak on behalf of extreme 911 conspiracy theories at all, because I don't see the point in them, but I have always had doubts about WTC7's collapse.

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker. Which movie was it where Gene Hackman destroys a building because someone made a phone call? Of course in that he had his headquarters pre-prepped for demolition "just in case". A good Boy Scout is always prepared.

Remember George Bush the secret Muslim who is in bed with the terrorists?

Get a room, you two!

Dan8267 says

Why do you hate true love?

Behead those who take note of the US-Saudi Relationship! They will not smell the paradise!

Call it Crazy says

Dan's jealous.... His boyfriend doesn't look like that...

Homophobes have small minds and small penises.

If I were gay, my boyfriends, note the plural, would look like

Basically, they would look like me. So how about you? What would your boyfriends look like if you were gay? Or are you so insecure in your sexuality you can't answer that?

deepcgi says

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker.

WTC wasn't such a structure.

What'd the 1993 truck bomb do? Certainly didn't knock down the building and that was 1300 pounds of crafted explosives.

Don't you think people in the building, would notice entire floors blocked off for install? Tons of explosives being rolled into the building? Workers putting it in place?

Hollywood fantasy doesn't add points.

thunderlips11 says

Hillary got $500k of Jewels in 2013 from the King Beheader Abdullah.

Do they become her or betray her?

sbh says

He would go for the ones that swallow:

always pushing the bottom to new lows... you are one sick fuck

Clearly CIC is a homophobe which probably means he's fighting latent homosexual desires and failing. Now if only he could date within his species and outside of his family.

How do they prep something to make it fall faster than freefall?

Quigley says

Ok I thought rail guns worked on principle of magnetic acceleration? Aluminum is NOT a magnet-affected metal. So how can what you say be true? Source link would be good!

Good Point this thread gets more and more non seqitur.

First, the explosions started at the top, just as in no controlled demolition ever - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then the buildings fell faster than freefall due to special thrusters installed in the upper floors to accelerate them downward - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then WTC 7 fell several hours later, in a controlled demolition - whoo, whoo, wooo - which does absolutely nothing to make the "faked" attack more realistic or terrifying - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Glowing, not molten, steel was found in the rubble - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Strategist says

What kind of people would believe in these bizarre conspiracy theories?

The kind of people that don't automatically discount the opinions of people like John Lear and many others just because they don't coincide with the stories told by Brian Williams and Katie Kouric.

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk.

The kind of people that can open up their minds a bit and don't feel the need to shout people down when they are presented with an alternative idea.

You get the idea.

komputodo says

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

HydroCabron says

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

I never thought of John Lear as being a person in power.

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

komputodo says

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

Do you have any idea how weak this sounds?

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911 and the average American citizen is both poorer and less safe.

This is the typical conspiracy theory basis--someone had a motive. But the problem is that motive, in itself, is not evidence of anything. I've yet to see an 9/11 alternate theory that actually details what they think happened. It's always just trying to poke holes in the official version. If and when I ever see a version that details exactly what really happened on 9/11, then I'll pay attention.

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911

Emergency room nurses and physicians make a living from car accidents.

Cars: conspiracy by the medical profession? Cui bono?

HydroCabron says

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911

Emergency room nurses and physicians make a living from car accidents.

Nurses don't run over people. The U.S. military industrial complex does start wars. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples.

Hater says

Don't you believe the official story? All that high test jet fuel really made a mess in Manhattan. It took months to put the fires out; remember?

Like I said--let me know when you have a plausible theory.

Hater says

He believes that the planes were holograms.

Can you offer one documented demonstration of a believable hologram which can convince witnesses (including video cameras) filming from 80 different angles? Or is this secret, black-ops technology which still hasn't seen the light of public viewing (other than on 9/11) for 13 years and counting?

By the way: Isn't it cheaper, and less risky, to simply hijack the planes as-is and fly them into the buildings? Why employ all manner of Buck Rogers non-existent technology if just flying real planes into the buildings will do the trick for less money? Are you a moron?

I usually know better than to argue with twoofers, since they will never, ever change their minds - except to change to a different conspiracy.

Hater says

All that high test jet fuel really made a mess in Manhattan

News flash: Jet fuel is combustible.

HydroCabron says

Do you have any idea how weak this sounds?

Obviously I don't or I wouldn't have posted it.

tatupu70 says

This is the typical conspiracy theory basis--someone had a motive.

Isn't that how detectives normally solve crimes? By looking for the motive? Do the police call crimes "conspiracy theories"?

tatupu70 says

If and when I ever see a version that details exactly what really happened on 9/11, then I'll pay attention.

Have you ever been informed of the "exact details" of any crime? One would have to actually commit it to know.

komputodo says

Obviously I don't or I wouldn't have posted it.

What amazes me most is that the buildings shook and crud (real debris, not holograms) shot away from the buildings and landed in the streets below, just as the holograms hit the buildings, and holes appeared in the shape of the holograms. Think about the coordination required to pull that one off.

Don't know why the Illuminati/Jews/NWO/Bush/CIA/military-industrial went to the trouble of holograms, when actual jets would have sufficed, but these are deep, dark waters!

So did they off the airline passengers somewhere else, or were they just fake humans played by Zionist-hired actors, like Barbara Olson, who faked a marriage to Ted Olson just to get fake-killed at the Pentagon?

What about Sandy Hook? Is it tied to 9/11?

komputodo says

Isn't that how detectives normally solve crimes? By looking for the motive? Do the police call crimes "conspiracy theories"?

No, police look for evidence. They like to have a motive so it's easier to convict.

komputodo says

Have you ever been informed of the "exact details" of any crime? One would have to actually commit it to know.

I didn't say I wanted the exact details--I'd be happy to see any theory that isn't just telling me why the official version is wrong. Tell me what did happen, not what didn't.

Hater says

Check out Dali's holographic sculpture of Alice Cooper in St. Petersburg. Way cool and unbelievable

Yes, very cool.

And on a medium - a plastic or glass cylinder. Not projected onto thin air.

Hater says

Everyone knows that the jet fuel weakened the steel causing the building to collapse and taking out WTC7 on the way down.

Everyone knows that?
I'm aware that everyone was told that on the news but my problem is that I tend to believe science rather than Nancy Grace.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

I saw this on Banacek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ReSTFDAHU