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I can't speak on behalf of extreme 911 conspiracy theories at all, because I don't see the point in them, but I have always had doubts about WTC7's collapse.

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker. Which movie was it where Gene Hackman destroys a building because someone made a phone call? Of course in that he had his headquarters pre-prepped for demolition "just in case". A good Boy Scout is always prepared.

Remember George Bush the secret Muslim who is in bed with the terrorists?

Get a room, you two!

Dan8267 says

Why do you hate true love?

Behead those who take note of the US-Saudi Relationship! They will not smell the paradise!

Call it Crazy says

Dan's jealous.... His boyfriend doesn't look like that...

Homophobes have small minds and small penises.

If I were gay, my boyfriends, note the plural, would look like

Basically, they would look like me. So how about you? What would your boyfriends look like if you were gay? Or are you so insecure in your sexuality you can't answer that?

deepcgi says

Why do we assume it 'takes weeks or months' to prep a building for demolition. I imagine buildings full of uber-sensitive information of international importance cannot be allowed to simply become a disaster area wandered about in by any old Tom, Dick and Muhammed emergency worker.

WTC wasn't such a structure.

What'd the 1993 truck bomb do? Certainly didn't knock down the building and that was 1300 pounds of crafted explosives.

Don't you think people in the building, would notice entire floors blocked off for install? Tons of explosives being rolled into the building? Workers putting it in place?

Hollywood fantasy doesn't add points.

thunderlips11 says

Hillary got $500k of Jewels in 2013 from the King Beheader Abdullah.

Do they become her or betray her?

sbh says

He would go for the ones that swallow:

always pushing the bottom to new lows... you are one sick fuck

Clearly CIC is a homophobe which probably means he's fighting latent homosexual desires and failing. Now if only he could date within his species and outside of his family.

How do they prep something to make it fall faster than freefall?

Quigley says

Ok I thought rail guns worked on principle of magnetic acceleration? Aluminum is NOT a magnet-affected metal. So how can what you say be true? Source link would be good!

Good Point this thread gets more and more non seqitur.

First, the explosions started at the top, just as in no controlled demolition ever - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then the buildings fell faster than freefall due to special thrusters installed in the upper floors to accelerate them downward - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Then WTC 7 fell several hours later, in a controlled demolition - whoo, whoo, wooo - which does absolutely nothing to make the "faked" attack more realistic or terrifying - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Glowing, not molten, steel was found in the rubble - whoo, whoo, wooo!

Strategist says

What kind of people would believe in these bizarre conspiracy theories?

The kind of people that don't automatically discount the opinions of people like John Lear and many others just because they don't coincide with the stories told by Brian Williams and Katie Kouric.

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk.

The kind of people that can open up their minds a bit and don't feel the need to shout people down when they are presented with an alternative idea.

You get the idea.

komputodo says

The kind of people that don't believe that the people in power are necessarily concerned about the best interests of us common folk

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

HydroCabron says

They people in power don't give a shit about us. And that includes John Lear.

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

I never thought of John Lear as being a person in power.

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

komputodo says

I didn't know that evidence could be stupid.

Most americans live in an fantasy world. i.e. "the terrorists hate us for our freedoms" hah...they hate us because we kill their families.

Anytime you have 2 or more people planning an event, it could be considered a conspiracy.

Do you have any idea how weak this sounds?

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911 and the average American citizen is both poorer and less safe.

This is the typical conspiracy theory basis--someone had a motive. But the problem is that motive, in itself, is not evidence of anything. I've yet to see an 9/11 alternate theory that actually details what they think happened. It's always just trying to poke holes in the official version. If and when I ever see a version that details exactly what really happened on 9/11, then I'll pay attention.

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911

Emergency room nurses and physicians make a living from car accidents.

Cars: conspiracy by the medical profession? Cui bono?

HydroCabron says

Hater says

If we follow the money we can see that military contractors made a fortune from 911

Emergency room nurses and physicians make a living from car accidents.

Nurses don't run over people. The U.S. military industrial complex does start wars. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are prime examples.

Hater says

Don't you believe the official story? All that high test jet fuel really made a mess in Manhattan. It took months to put the fires out; remember?

Like I said--let me know when you have a plausible theory.

Hater says

He believes that the planes were holograms.

Can you offer one documented demonstration of a believable hologram which can convince witnesses (including video cameras) filming from 80 different angles? Or is this secret, black-ops technology which still hasn't seen the light of public viewing (other than on 9/11) for 13 years and counting?

By the way: Isn't it cheaper, and less risky, to simply hijack the planes as-is and fly them into the buildings? Why employ all manner of Buck Rogers non-existent technology if just flying real planes into the buildings will do the trick for less money? Are you a moron?

I usually know better than to argue with twoofers, since they will never, ever change their minds - except to change to a different conspiracy.

Hater says

All that high test jet fuel really made a mess in Manhattan

News flash: Jet fuel is combustible.

HydroCabron says

Do you have any idea how weak this sounds?

Obviously I don't or I wouldn't have posted it.

tatupu70 says

This is the typical conspiracy theory basis--someone had a motive.

Isn't that how detectives normally solve crimes? By looking for the motive? Do the police call crimes "conspiracy theories"?

tatupu70 says

If and when I ever see a version that details exactly what really happened on 9/11, then I'll pay attention.

Have you ever been informed of the "exact details" of any crime? One would have to actually commit it to know.

komputodo says

Obviously I don't or I wouldn't have posted it.

What amazes me most is that the buildings shook and crud (real debris, not holograms) shot away from the buildings and landed in the streets below, just as the holograms hit the buildings, and holes appeared in the shape of the holograms. Think about the coordination required to pull that one off.

Don't know why the Illuminati/Jews/NWO/Bush/CIA/military-industrial went to the trouble of holograms, when actual jets would have sufficed, but these are deep, dark waters!

So did they off the airline passengers somewhere else, or were they just fake humans played by Zionist-hired actors, like Barbara Olson, who faked a marriage to Ted Olson just to get fake-killed at the Pentagon?

What about Sandy Hook? Is it tied to 9/11?

komputodo says

Isn't that how detectives normally solve crimes? By looking for the motive? Do the police call crimes "conspiracy theories"?

No, police look for evidence. They like to have a motive so it's easier to convict.

komputodo says

Have you ever been informed of the "exact details" of any crime? One would have to actually commit it to know.

I didn't say I wanted the exact details--I'd be happy to see any theory that isn't just telling me why the official version is wrong. Tell me what did happen, not what didn't.

Hater says

Check out Dali's holographic sculpture of Alice Cooper in St. Petersburg. Way cool and unbelievable

Yes, very cool.

And on a medium - a plastic or glass cylinder. Not projected onto thin air.

Hater says

Everyone knows that the jet fuel weakened the steel causing the building to collapse and taking out WTC7 on the way down.

Everyone knows that?
I'm aware that everyone was told that on the news but my problem is that I tend to believe science rather than Nancy Grace.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

I saw this on Banacek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ReSTFDAHU

komputodo says

taking out WTC7 on the way down

Yes, and they made WTC7 collapse hours later to make it look more realistic, because even though they could synchronize explosions and debris with non-existent hologram technology, they could not make WTC7 go down immediately.

Hater says

Holograms??? The planes were real!

I sense some sarcasm here. But the planes were real--they were controlled remotely from outer space. You don't deny the alien connection, do you?

Still can't shoot down 100 Kingfish Missiles launched from 270 degrees around the compass.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fbi-declassifies-911-memo-after-biden-executive-order-puts-bed-any-doubts-about-saudi

Following President Biden's recently signed executive order for the declassification of many of the remaining documents relating to the Saudi role in the 9/11 attacks, the Justice Dept. on Saturday night released its first one - a heavily redacted 16-page report from April 2016.

While not yet considered a smoking gun in terms of proving high level Saudi foreknowledge and complicity, it does contain new information on a Saudi student in California at the time, Omar al-Bayoumi, who is shown to have aided two of the 9/11 hijackers while enjoying close ties with Saudi diplomats. The memo ultimately shines more light on what appears Saudi intelligence continuing contact with some of the hijackers leading up to the 9/11 attacks.

Of course it was always the Saudis, though perhaps with help from Bush and the CIA, etc.

I think this is being released now to get people to stop talking about the ongoing massive human rights violation of Pfizer/Biden's mandates.

HydroCabron says

But none of this means we have to rely on stupid evidence for a conspiracy and live in a fantasy world.

No you don't.

Start out with the assumption that the government is lying, and demand to demonstrate they aren't.

Where's that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq? Was Qaddafi causing a humanitarian crisis in Libya - it's in civil war with slavery markets now. Is Assad using chemical weapons against his own people? Why? For what purpose. Where's that Russian Collusion? How did Russia hack our election?

I don't understand why people still believe our government is credible at this point. The 9/11 commission was a rushed white wash job. We are not allowed to see the WTC7 finite element simulation from NIST. Flight 77 hit the headquarters of our national defense 30 minutes after it was clear that a terrorist attack was underway.

The criminals in our government always hide behind incompetence. Well, I don't believe they are more stupid than I am. I just believe they are more fucking evil than I am. 9/11 wasn't the result of a series of easily caught errors, it was intentional.

https://notthebee.com/article/people-are-actually-comparing-the-sept-11-attacks-to-the-jan-6-capitol-riot-seriously

People are actually saying September 11 WASN'T AS BAD as the January 6 Capitol riot. Seriously.

Those people are insane. Thousands died on Sept 11th and it led to an unjust war against Iraq while Saudi Arabia got away with the crime scot-free.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/joe-bidens-submissive-and-highly

Joe Biden's Submissive -- and Highly Revealing -- Embrace of Saudi Despots
Biden's immediate abandonment of his 2020 vow to turn the Saudis into "pariahs," and his increasing support for the regime, shows the core deceit of U.S. propaganda.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/joe-biden-saudi-arabia-mohammed-bin-salman/

When news broke that President Biden was planning a trip to Saudi Arabia to visit the crown prince Mohammed bin Salman (known as MbS), members of his party were horrified. Representative Adam Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, was especially disturbed and recommended the White House cancel it outright. “I wouldn’t go. I wouldn’t shake his hand,” Schiff told CBS on June 5. “This is someone who butchered an American resident, cut him up into pieces in the most terrible and pre-meditated way.”

That resident was Jamal Khashoggi, a former Saudi royal family insider who used his perch as a columnist at the Washington Post to raise awareness about the crown prince’s ruthless ways. Khashoggi would be caught in a Saudi government ruse, tricked into coming to the Saudi consulate in Istanbul to sign marriage papers, only to be summarily killed and dismembered by hitmen close to MbS’s inner circle. President Biden, who promised to avenge the murder during his campaign, declassified the US intelligence community’s assessment of the killing a month after he was sworn in, laying responsibility on the kingdom’s de facto ruler.

Now, nearly a year and a half later, Biden is apparently forgetting about the whole “I’m going to turn Saudi Arabia into a pariah” thing. The official announcement of the president’s trip to the kingdom could come this week. Needless to say, the trip will be Biden’s most controversial. This is the same president who, after all, claims to be putting human rights at the center of US foreign policy. Opponents of the visit argue that a face-to-face with one of the world’s most notorious murderers is the very essence of hypocrisy. How can the world take Washington’s rhetoric about human rights seriously when US officials will jettison their own principles at the first opportunity?

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/TNTJohn1717/status/1554634518505684992#m

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/a-case-study-of-congressional-concealment

A Case Study of Congressional Concealment
Reviewing the 29 redacted pages of the Joint Inquiry of 9/11 attacks.

On December of 2002, Congress published a report on its Inquiry. At first glance, this seemed an admirable example of our legislative branch doing its job for the American people. However, concerned citizens who read it—especially the relatives of Americans who died in the attacks—noticed that 29 pages of the report had been redacted because they contained “certain sensitive national security matters.”

Sensible readers will note that the whole point of the Inquiry was to ascertain WHY our intelligence and law enforcement had so catastrophically failed to protect our national security, so redacting 29 pages because they pertained “to sensitive national security matters” struck me as ridiculous. I immediately suspected that Congress was simply protecting influential “friends” and “allies” from embarrassment.

Relatives of 9/11 victims filed a FOIA request for the redacted pages, and after a 14-year legal contest, Congress was finally ordered to publish the document, which it did on Friday, July 15, 2016.

For years the redacted section had been referenced as “the 28 pages,” but the total number turned out to be 29. The key FINDING of the redacted section is as follows:

While in the United States, some of these September 11 hijackers were in contact with, and received support or assistance from individuals who may be connected to the Saudi government. There is information, primarily from FBI sources, that at least two of those individuals were alleged by some to be Saudi intelligence officers.

One of the suspected intelligence officers was Osama Bassnan, who lived across the street from two of the hijackers when they resided in San Diego and was in close contact with many of their associates. According to the report:

Bassnan has many ties to the Saudi government, including past employment by the Saudi Arabian education mission. The FBI also received reports from individuals in the Muslim community alleging that Bessan might be a Saudi intelligence officer According to a CIA memo, Bassnan has reportedly received funding, and possibly a fake passport, from Saudi government officials, he and his wife have received financial support from the Saudi ambassador to the United States and his wife.

On at least one occasion, Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandar‘s account. According to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed the check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnan’s wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar. She also received one additional check from Bandar’s wife which she cashed on January 8, 1998 for $10,000.

While such statements might pique someone’s curiosity to learn more about this connection between President Bush’s friend, Prince Bandar, and a suspected Saudi intelligence agent providing support for hijackers in San Diego, Congress wasn’t interested. As the Committees stated in their report:

It should be clear that this joint inquiry has made no final determinations as to the reliability or sufficiency of the information regarding these issues that we found contained in FBI and CIA documents.

U.S. mainstream media coverage of the release was minimal and it downplayed the significance of what was contained in the document. CNN’s report quoted Senators Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein:

Sens. Richard Burr and Dianne Feinstein, the chair and top Democrat of the Senate Intelligence Committee, issued a statement that they agreed with the decision to declassify the report. But they cautioned, “These pages include unconfirmed allegations and raw reporting and have been the subject of conspiracy theories for years.”

Ain’t it funny how you will never discover the truth of a matter if you don’t investigate it? Not investigating also enables you to brand anyone who raises questions about the matter a “conspiracy theorist.”

Yes, Bush may have personally been involved, but Saudi Arabia attacked America on 9/11.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/03/09/699561/US-transfers-Saudi-Guantanamo-detainee-to-Riyadh

The United States has repatriated a Saudi national to Saudi Arabia after keeping him behind bars in Guantanamo prison for 21 years over suspected involvement in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

In a statement on Wednesday, the Pentagon announced that it had released 48-year-old Saudi national Ghassan al-Sharbi and returned him to Saudi Arabia "subject to the implementation of a comprehensive set of security measures including monitoring, travel restrictions and continued information sharing."

Yes, Saudi's did it, but at this point I think it was with the active cooperation of the CIA.