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An Antidote To Corporate Media


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2015 Feb 9, 7:43am   715,018 views  602 comments

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Patrick.net is an online forum, a bit like Twitter or Reddit, but with much more freedom of speech than either of those. Almost anything goes, but a few things don't, such as deliberately personally insulting another user, or deliberately misrepresenting what another user said.

I got the patrick.net domain name back in 1995 when I was one day too late for patrick.com. Missing the .com name turned out to be fine. I prefer the .net name now because life is all about human networks. This site was just my personal blog from 1995 to 2004.

In 2004 I started writing about the housing bubble, which catapulted the site to national fame for a while. I was interviewed on NPR, on Nightline on TV, and in other corporate media that I have since learned to recognize as poison. Here are my original the articles about the housing bubble (the dates on them are much later because I updated them):

https://patrick.net/post/1282720/2015-07-11-ten-reasons-it-s-a-terrible-time-to
https://patrick.net/post/1282721/2015-07-11-eight-groups-who-lie-about-the-housing
https://patrick.net/post/1282722/2015-07-11-37-bogus-arguments-about-housing

The big housing bubble popped in 2008, and traffic fell, since it was no longer controversial to assert that we really had had a housing bubble.

About then, I decided to just let the public discuss other topics with each other and wrote my own forum software. I'm a programmer, so that was fun. At first I was kind of disturbed at the number of conservatives on the site, but as I discussed things with them and saw San Francisco literally turn to shit under far-left Democrat extremists, I changed my thinking.

And yet I didn't change my thinking all that much, because once again, I'm opposing corruption of government by the oligarchy. Before, my enemy was the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and I still think the NAR is nothing but institutionalized crime, but there are bigger fish to fry now, especially since the worldwide campaign to inject every human with a dangerous and ineffective genetic experiment, which was never approved by the FDA. (They approved "Comirnaty", which is not available, to deceive the public.)

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-september-21-2022


It’s like Pharma just backed a truck up to the Progressive Values Factory; stole everything; modified core values in order to maim people, make money, and implement global totalitarianism; and the left is just out there smoking a cigarette on the loading dock saying, “Sounds good to me.” What!? What the heck happened to the left? Is there no one remaining in that tribe who is capable of logic and reason!? Quite literally the worst industry in the world stole the left’s most cherished values and no one on the left is the slightest bit offended by this (even though they are offended by everything else)!? We live in the bizarro upside down world.




I could go on, but you'll get the idea by reading the site.



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192   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 6, 4:15pm  

People aren't flooding boats to get to Cuba, North Korea, or Bangladesh.
193   missing   2018 Mar 6, 4:21pm  

Mexico also has capitalism.

I come from a capitalistic system, slightly different that the US version. I think as a whole, for the majority of the people, it is a better version. However, for me personally the US is better because it is a winner take all system. I can also always go back and maybe will.
194   Patrick   2018 Mar 6, 4:35pm  

FP says
Mexico also has capitalism.


Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.
195   cynn   2018 Mar 6, 4:48pm  

The Kochs just haven't figured out "cartels" yet.
196   missing   2018 Mar 8, 1:46pm  

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


This is beyond the point.
197   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 8, 2:08pm  

Patrick says
Clearly they're not doing it right. Maybe we aren't either, but we are definitely getting better results than Mexico does.


Mexico spent most of the 19th Century in "Free Trade", shipping out raw materials while importing finished products.

Thus, they industrialized much more slowly and unevenly than tariff-protected America in the 19th Century under Hamilton's All-American Tariff.

It's much the same all over Central and South America. BIg Landed Wealth doesn't care about mass employment, they just want to trade the cotton and the aloe and the copper for a BMW, and make sure the landless workers don't get uppity when it comes to wages.

Defeating Big Confederate Landlords - who were as opposed to the Homestead Act as Tarriffs - they envisioned the midwest full of slaves on huge wheat farms - was a big leg up for American Prosperity.
198   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Mar 23, 9:16am  

Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.
199   MrMagic   2018 Mar 23, 9:24am  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Hi @Patrick - there's a T2 guy in the mod queue asking to be deleted, both comment and account.


I believe that's a brand new account of user: FP
200   Patrick   2018 Mar 23, 9:48am  

Deleted it. There was only one comment anyway.
201   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 12, 7:58am  

Deleted two clear personal attacks from two users this AM. One about going to somebody having to go to GNC, the other about mental issues of a user.
202   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 26, 1:35pm  

There's a pretty clear personal insult in my mod queue, but the delete button is gone.
203   Patrick   2018 Apr 26, 2:48pm  

@TwoScoopsPlissken was the comment more than a week old?

After a week, a comment can't be deleted, except by me. It can still be marked "personal" and go into the moderation queue though.

I deleted one today from the moderation queue, but can't remember how old it was.
204   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 26, 4:25pm  

Hi Pat, not sure. It had a dislike already, didn't check the date. It could have been older.
205   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 27, 11:44am  

Approved Sniper's remarks about Wookie, don't know if it's really "personal" and Wookie said he doesn't particularly care and it seems to be a group thing about milenials vs. a insults at a user.

I'm biased towards approval absent "Go Fuck Yourself, you sniveling shitbag."

So approved, but not 100% sure this is the kind of Convo Pat.net wants/doesn't want since it is about user history and whatnot. Happy to reconsider.
206   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Apr 27, 11:46am  

Okay, so posts along this line are getting thrown to moderation. I leave it in moderation for others to take a look.
207   CBOEtrader   2018 Apr 27, 11:48am  

yeah, its a childish conversation. even if those two want to have that convo, i'd lean towards deleting it anyways... just to keep the forum focused on actual discussions. dont want this place slipping back into the realm of personal flame wars.
208   Goran_K   2018 Apr 27, 12:45pm  

TwoScoopsPlissken says
I'm biased towards approval absent "Go Fuck Yourself, you sniveling shitbag."


I'm the same way. As long as it's not directly and obviously personal, I let it go through.
209   Patrick   2018 Apr 27, 12:49pm  

CBOEtrader says
yeah, its a childish conversation. even if those two want to have that convo, i'd lean towards deleting it anyways... just to keep the forum focused on actual discussions. dont want this place slipping back into the realm of personal flame wars.


I really don't want flame wars. I'm definitely still on the pendulum swing away from "anything goes" towards quickly deleting anything that sounds like a personal attack on other users.
210   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 May 14, 3:52pm  

One Edvard comment approved, the other left in moderation for "Shut Up" even though the rest isn't personal.
211   LeonDurham   2018 Jun 3, 10:39am  

Patrick says
I really don't want flame wars. I'm definitely still on the pendulum swing away from "anything goes" towards quickly deleting anything that sounds like a personal attack on other users.


@Patrick--

If you really applied this standard without bias, it would be great. As it is now, it is ridiculous. I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation. This website is a joke.
212   MrMagic   2018 Jun 3, 11:46am  

LeonDurham says
If you really applied this standard without bias, it would be great. As it is now, it is ridiculous. I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation. This website is a joke.


There are no standards anymore, either you're part of the "club", or your not.

I'm in post moderation for doing NOTHING wrong, and no posts deleted, yet past posters (who were deleted) are back under new names attacking other uses with freedom.

Amazing
213   curious2   2018 Jun 3, 12:41pm  

LeonDurham says
I challenge you to look at curious2's posts over the past 3 days and tell me how his remain but mine are deleted and I somehow end up in moderation.


Your comments do remain, including this one:

LeonDurham says
as expected. Run away little man.


If some of your comments are not appearing, you might have blocked scripting or something, but it has nothing to do with me. I have never flagged any of your comments as personal, even though some are, clearly. I had simply stopped responding to you, and you responded to that by taunting me (see above). Now you seem to pursue the matter in other threads. Again, it has nothing to do with me, so I would prefer that you (including your aliases joeyjoejoejr and tatupu70 among others) leave me out of it.
214   Onvacation   2018 Jun 10, 8:50am  

LeonDurham says
This website is a joke.

Patrick LET you say that.

Argue the topic instead of attacking the person and your posts should be fine.
215   LeonDurham   2018 Jun 10, 9:12am  

curious2 says

Your comments do remain, including this one:




Nope. Not the ones I was referring to--those are still gone.

curious2 says
If some of your comments are not appearing, you might have blocked scripting or something, but it has nothing to do with me. I have never flagged any of your comments as personal, even though some are, clearly. I had simply stopped responding to you, and you responded to that by taunting me (see above). Now you seem to pursue the matter in other threads. Again, it has nothing to do with me, so I would prefer that you (including your aliases joeyjoejoejr and tatupu70 among others) leave me out of it.


The comments were deleted by one of the moderators. It's not a mystery what happened.

How about this--when you start leaving Marcus out of every comment in every thread you post, then I promise to not ever mention your pseudonym.
216   LeonDurham   2018 Jun 10, 9:13am  

Onvacation says
Patrick LET you say that.

Argue the topic instead of attacking the person and your posts should be fine.


Patrick isn't the problem--he doesn't delete for the most part. It's his choice for moderation that is the problem.

If all posts were treated equally and all personal attacks were deleted, then I would be ecstatic.
217   Onvacation   2018 Jun 10, 12:27pm  

LeonDurham says
If all posts were treated equally and all personal attacks were deleted, then I would be ecstatic.

I liked this part of your post.

Trolls and sockpuppets are ubiquitous on the internet. not allowing personal attacks denies them one of their biggest weapons. They still have the strawman, mock outrage, denial of facts, and charts.
218   LeonDurham   2018 Jun 10, 12:30pm  

Onvacation says

Trolls and sockpuppets are ubiquitous on the internet. not allowing personal attacks denies them one of their biggest weapons. They still have the strawman, mock outrage, denial of facts, and charts.


I know--if Patrick could ban strawman arguments, then we'd really have something.
219   Patrick   2018 Jun 10, 1:32pm  

RafiMaas says
I, personally, had to mark a post of yours personal 3 times before it finally got deleted!


There are 5 moderators plus myself, and they probably all interpret things a big differently.

I'd agree that saying someone needs glasses is personal, and not about the point being argued.
220   MrMagic   2018 Jun 22, 8:53pm  

@Patrick

My posts are not showing up, why?
221   Ceffer   2018 Jun 22, 11:47pm  

Golly, what a lot of work keeping people from ad hominem attacks on each other.
222   MrMagic   2018 Jun 23, 7:50am  

Sniper says
@Patrick

My posts are not showing up, why?


@Patrick, still not showing up, is it a glitch in the software?
223   Patrick   2018 Jun 23, 10:50am  

By "posts", do you mean comments? Clearly those are showing up fine.

I don't think new threads are treated any differently than comments.

I will try to log in as you and create a new thread...
224   Patrick   2018 Jun 23, 10:55am  

Ah, it was an auto-downgrade thing where there were enough comments marked personal to limit your privileges.

I undid that, now you should be the same as before.
225   MrMagic   2018 Jun 23, 2:12pm  

Patrick says
Ah, it was an auto-downgrade thing where there were enough comments marked personal to limit your privileges.


I thought that might have been it, but when I went back and looked, I didn't see any past comments of mine deleted.

Who was marking them personal?
226   Goran_K   2018 Jul 9, 11:50am  

@Patrick

Hey Patrick, does the "ignore" feature allow posters to disappear from mod view?
227   Patrick   2018 Jul 9, 4:13pm  

@Goran_K no, moderators should see all comments in moderation.
228   Goran_K   2018 Jul 10, 11:10am  

Patrick says
@Goran_K no, moderators should see all comments in moderation.


@Patrick

I think that's okay but for some reason I'm not able to see the comments of "Aphroman" as I think he put me on ignore after I warned him for a few of his "personal attacks", now he's skating under the radar so-to-speak.
229   CBOEtrader   2018 Jul 10, 11:30am  

Goran_K says
I'm not able to see the comments of "Aphroman" as I think he put me on ignore


can we please eliminate this functionality? noone should be able to edit YOUR pat.net experience. If someone wants to mute their own experience, thats completely different. However, muting someone else's ability to view pat/net posts will destroy users ability to follow conversations and drive them from the site. We are down to a core 50... you dont want 25 of those 50 never seeing what the other 25 are discussing, unless you dont want discussions.
230   CBOEtrader   2018 Jul 10, 12:21pm  

Aphroman says
why the fuck bother having mods


because ad hom's are childish and chase away anyone of value. Iwog set a terrible precedent, and frankly I didnt come around this place for years because I was sick of that type of personal flame bullshit.

Aphroman says
bitter Trumpublicans


Trump supporters are winning, thats the opposite of bitter.Aphroman says
run off most all opposing viewpoints


I for one welcome opposing viewpoints. Haven't heard anyone make a decent opposing argument in a while though. Its all "fuck trump" or "republicans are KKK" or "white men are nazis". yeah, people with that level of arguments should be chased off
231   LeonDurham   2018 Jul 10, 12:40pm  

CBOEtrader says
I for one welcome opposing viewpoints. Haven't heard anyone make a decent opposing argument in a while though. Its all "fuck trump" or "republicans are KKK" or "white men are nazis". yeah, people with that level of arguments should be chased off


It's really too bad we can't eliminate strawman arguments. They are much worse than name calling, IMO. The above is a great example.

I'd be surprised if CBOE could provide more than a couple examples (if any), yet he feels fine saying that's "all" the arguments because he knows strawman arguments are A-OK at pat.net.

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