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anonymous
2018 Feb 14, 10:44am
By the way - the content restriction came in after one guy in the 90s would bus in the homeless and have them prattle on in exchange for a dollar. Eventually the comittee members (many of which are unpaid) would have to leave to go to work or pick up their kid, and the vote would fail.
After 2-3 instances of this everyone realized the value of their time and the content restrictions (with the ability to submit whatever you want in writing) were implemented.
After 2-3 instances of this everyone realized the value of their time and the content restrictions (with the ability to submit whatever you want in writing) were implemented.
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justme
2018 Feb 14, 11:27am
justme
2018 Feb 14, 11:27am
anon_349ac says
What on earth are you talking about? This was the case of an elected representative in West Virgina that was not allowed to use all of her duly alotted time because the majority leader wanted to censor her. Don't come trotting out a false analogy of someone supposedly paying people to complain at a PUBLIC meeting.
By the way - the content restriction came in after one guy in the 90s would bus in the homeless and have them prattle on in exchange for a dollar.
What on earth are you talking about? This was the case of an elected representative in West Virgina that was not allowed to use all of her duly alotted time because the majority leader wanted to censor her. Don't come trotting out a false analogy of someone supposedly paying people to complain at a PUBLIC meeting.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 14, 1:13pm
justme says
Ok. Same goes for all the comittee members at our weekly meetings. In order to save time the chairman sets an agenda and the 5 or so topics that are subject to discussion. If you use your time to speak on something else (I.e waste time) you will be declared out of order, and if you continue, you will be removed. Of course you can submit your response in writing or if a majority wants to hear what you have to say they overrule the chairman and you continue to speak unfettered.
For what it's worth - one of the poo slingers was a ranking comittee member who couldn't be bothered to show up at the weekly meetings or participate in the future of the waterfront. She was elected by the "noisy trucks" wing. Early on when she did participate but when she found out all plans involve SOME noisy trucks she would only show up to fling poo and waste time.
anon_349ac saysBy the way - the content restriction came in after one guy in the 90s would bus in the homeless and have them prattle on in exchange for a dollar.
What on earth are you talking about? This was the case of an elected representative in West Virgina that was not allowed to use all of her duly alotted time because the majority leader wanted to censor her. Don't come trotting out a false analogy of someone supposedly paying people to complain at a PUBLIC meeting.
Ok. Same goes for all the comittee members at our weekly meetings. In order to save time the chairman sets an agenda and the 5 or so topics that are subject to discussion. If you use your time to speak on something else (I.e waste time) you will be declared out of order, and if you continue, you will be removed. Of course you can submit your response in writing or if a majority wants to hear what you have to say they overrule the chairman and you continue to speak unfettered.
For what it's worth - one of the poo slingers was a ranking comittee member who couldn't be bothered to show up at the weekly meetings or participate in the future of the waterfront. She was elected by the "noisy trucks" wing. Early on when she did participate but when she found out all plans involve SOME noisy trucks she would only show up to fling poo and waste time.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 22, 8:58pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 22, 8:58pm
Sorry, image uploading is borken at the moment. Will fix it tomorrow.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 22, 9:38pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 22, 9:38pm
"Borken" is a good description.
When it works again I'll say it "wroks".
One letter transposition of 'o' and 'r' either way.
When it works again I'll say it "wroks".
One letter transposition of 'o' and 'r' either way.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 8:55am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 8:55am
anon_8f378 has over 300 comments in the past few months.
Maybe force anons with, say, over 50 comments, to get an account or FOAD? Since it's obvious most are butthurt former posters who are coming back anyway though they announced their flounce.
Harder to remember "Anon-8f378" then "JosephJoeJoe" or whatever.
Maybe force anons with, say, over 50 comments, to get an account or FOAD? Since it's obvious most are butthurt former posters who are coming back anyway though they announced their flounce.
Harder to remember "Anon-8f378" then "JosephJoeJoe" or whatever.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:23am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:23am
I think the anon thing has worked fairly well in making it easier to get started with the site. It was also intended to de-couple ego from comments to some degree. True that people are harder to recognize as anon_1234 than a real name, which is a bad thing, but then they also are less sensitive about insults to that anon identity, which is a good thing.
I could make it so that registered users can choose to see more memorable names instead of anon_1234, or perhaps show the nearest city with more than 20,000 people to make them more memorable. So we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
I could make it so that registered users can choose to see more memorable names instead of anon_1234, or perhaps show the nearest city with more than 20,000 people to make them more memorable. So we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:28am
anon_961a0 says
@patrick right?
Patrick saysI think the anon thing has worked fairly well in making it easier to get started with the site. It was also intended to de-couple ego from comments to some degree. True that people are harder to recognize as anon_1234 than a real name, which is a bad thing, but then they also are less sensitive about insults to that anon identity, which is a good thing.
I could make it so that registered users can choose to see more memorable names instead of anon_1234, or perhaps show the nearest city with more than 20,000 people to make them more memorable. So we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
If you got rid of anons then you could get rid of moderators too.
@patrick right?
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:32am
Patrick says
If you got rid of anons then you could get rid of moderators too.
I think the anon thing has worked fairly well in making it easier to get started with the site. It was also intended to de-couple ego from comments to some degree. True that people are harder to recognize as anon_1234 than a real name, which is a bad thing, but then they also are less sensitive about insults to that anon identity, which is a good thing.
I could make it so that registered users can choose to see more memorable names instead of anon_1234, or perhaps show the nearest city with more than 20,000 people to make them more memorable. So we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
If you got rid of anons then you could get rid of moderators too.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:37am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:37am
People barely behave WITH moderators, they hesitate to troll 100% under the threat of having their comments nuked.
I can't imagine what the site would be without moderators. Oh yeah, we tried that, it wasn't working.
I can't imagine what the site would be without moderators. Oh yeah, we tried that, it wasn't working.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:37am
Goran_K says
Be interesting indeed
Patrick saysSo we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
I like this.
Be interesting indeed
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:52am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:52am
OK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses? I know there are commercial services, but I don't need very high accuracy.
There is a free service at ipinfo.io, but it's not at all accurate:
curl ipinfo.io/$(curl icanhazip.com)
"city": "Petaluma",
"region": "California",
I'm about 100 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
There is a free service at ipinfo.io, but it's not at all accurate:
curl ipinfo.io/$(curl icanhazip.com)
"city": "Petaluma",
"region": "California",
I'm about 100 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:54am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 9:54am
Patrick says
I don't think it can be 100% accurate. For instance some people use proxy servers (I use one through the California Department of Education). But I think just having something more identifying than anon1234 would be even incrementally better.
OK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses? I know there are commercial services, but I don't need very high accuracy.
There is a free service at ipinfo.io, but it's not at all accurate:
curl ipinfo.io/$(curl icanhazip.com)
"city": "Petaluma",
"region": "California",
I'm about 100 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
I don't think it can be 100% accurate. For instance some people use proxy servers (I use one through the California Department of Education). But I think just having something more identifying than anon1234 would be even incrementally better.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 9:55am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 9:55am
Patrick says
Great Idea!
I could make it so that registered users can choose to see more memorable names instead of anon_1234, or perhaps show the nearest city with more than 20,000 people to make them more memorable. So we'd have anon_1234_chicago or whatever.
Great Idea!
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 9:59am
Goran_K says
I would say that it is as gate keeper to anon post.
As a moderator you should know what your biggest task is. What you spend the most TIME on. So what is it Goran?
I say moderators wouldn't be needed because 95-99% of their job is being gate keeper to the anons. So are you saying I'm wrong that at least 95% of your time moderating is not spend on gate keeping anon posts? If so what is a more accurate % of time functioning as moderator in regards to gate keeping anon posts?
People barely behave WITH moderators, they hesitate to troll 100% under the threat of having their comments nuked.what exactly does a moderator do?
I can't imagine what the site would be without moderators. Oh yeah, we tried that, it wasn't working.
I would say that it is as gate keeper to anon post.
As a moderator you should know what your biggest task is. What you spend the most TIME on. So what is it Goran?
I say moderators wouldn't be needed because 95-99% of their job is being gate keeper to the anons. So are you saying I'm wrong that at least 95% of your time moderating is not spend on gate keeping anon posts? If so what is a more accurate % of time functioning as moderator in regards to gate keeping anon posts?
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 10:02am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 10:02am
anon_961a0 says
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
what exactly does a moderator do?
I would say that it is as gate keeper to anon post.
As a moderator you should know what your biggest task is. What you spend the most TIME on. So what is it Goran?
I say moderators wouldn't be needed because 95-99% of their job is being gate keeper to the anons. So are you saying I'm wrong that at least 95% of your time moderating is not spend on gate keeping anon posts? If so what is a more accurate % of time functioning as moderator in regards to gate keeping anon posts?
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:03am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:03am
It's a bit of work though, since I'd have to worry about ipinfo.io going down or getting slow, and I'd have to do that lookup on every anon comment, or cache results, which is a complication. Let me process it in the back of my head today.
Very open to suggestions if someone can think of a simple and high-performance way to do this.
Very open to suggestions if someone can think of a simple and high-performance way to do this.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:06am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:06am
Goran_K says
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 10:32am
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 10:32am
Patrick says
Even if it's not based on IP location, but an easily identifiable word, that would be just as good. The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty. Which is presumably the goal, to attain new users. Not sure I would want to be outed on my location to just post a comment on a forum. And I know it wouldn't be exact. In some cases it might be the same town/city though. Too much creep for me.
I also think most our anons are former (and current) registered users anyway. So they could always just log in. For some reason they don't/won't. I'll stop there before I get myself into trouble. Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
OK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses?
Even if it's not based on IP location, but an easily identifiable word, that would be just as good. The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty. Which is presumably the goal, to attain new users. Not sure I would want to be outed on my location to just post a comment on a forum. And I know it wouldn't be exact. In some cases it might be the same town/city though. Too much creep for me.
I also think most our anons are former (and current) registered users anyway. So they could always just log in. For some reason they don't/won't. I'll stop there before I get myself into trouble. Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
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mell
2018 Feb 28, 10:34am
Patrick says
Again. whether it was my objective too or not (I'm big on free speech even if offensive), I have to agree. There are close to zero personal attacks, so that goal has been certainly achieved. In fact I think too many comments are sent for approval, many with nothing personal in it at all.
Goran_K saysApprove non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
Again. whether it was my objective too or not (I'm big on free speech even if offensive), I have to agree. There are close to zero personal attacks, so that goal has been certainly achieved. In fact I think too many comments are sent for approval, many with nothing personal in it at all.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 12:16pm
Goran_K says
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 12:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 12:40pm
anon_961a0 says
Shh, Goran, don't answer and jeopardize our 6 figure mod income!
This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer.
Shh, Goran, don't answer and jeopardize our 6 figure mod income!
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 1:45pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 1:45pm
WookieMan says
You're right. It's a bit creepy. My wife suggested I just animals or something like that instead. So instead of anon_1234 someone would be anon_antelope. Just have to find a way to hash IPs to animals then. But there are limited number of animals.
WookieMan says
Well, for anons you do have that, since the numbers are just part of a hash of the IP address. So every anon comment from the same IP will show up under the same name. But not for registered users. I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty.
You're right. It's a bit creepy. My wife suggested I just animals or something like that instead. So instead of anon_1234 someone would be anon_antelope. Just have to find a way to hash IPs to animals then. But there are limited number of animals.
WookieMan says
Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
Well, for anons you do have that, since the numbers are just part of a hash of the IP address. So every anon comment from the same IP will show up under the same name. But not for registered users. I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 2:43pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 2:43pm
Patrick says
I understand the sentiment, but they can always just delete everything if they don't want it tied to their anonymous username, on anonymous site. It happened recently or so I thought without mentioning users. Might take some time, but it's not very difficult to wipe out your patnet history.
The personal attacks are way down for sure. So the direction things are going is good in my opinion. I just think there are registered users that go anon to dig and post comments close to the edge. Some of us might approve them and others might not. Not sure why they can't just post under their regular usernames. I'll be honest here. To me it seems a little cowardly. If you could link anon's to their previous registered user accounts, I think it would be a good thing. They obviously want to be here, so not sure why they're hiding.
I dig the animal route as well. Even if all the animals get used up can't you just add a single numerical digit? Deer1 through Deer9. That should cover a shitload of users I would think. Not real sure how many anons are being created everyday, so I could be off in this assessment.
I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
I understand the sentiment, but they can always just delete everything if they don't want it tied to their anonymous username, on anonymous site. It happened recently or so I thought without mentioning users. Might take some time, but it's not very difficult to wipe out your patnet history.
The personal attacks are way down for sure. So the direction things are going is good in my opinion. I just think there are registered users that go anon to dig and post comments close to the edge. Some of us might approve them and others might not. Not sure why they can't just post under their regular usernames. I'll be honest here. To me it seems a little cowardly. If you could link anon's to their previous registered user accounts, I think it would be a good thing. They obviously want to be here, so not sure why they're hiding.
I dig the animal route as well. Even if all the animals get used up can't you just add a single numerical digit? Deer1 through Deer9. That should cover a shitload of users I would think. Not real sure how many anons are being created everyday, so I could be off in this assessment.
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Onvacation
2018 Feb 28, 4:31pm
Onvacation
2018 Feb 28, 4:31pm
Patrick says
How about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
But there are limited number of animals.
How about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:36pm
Goran_K says
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger. Isn’t that the point?
Or is there value in being able to single out certain messengers, in order to assault their character as a last ditch effort to devalue the message, if it hurts someone’s feelings to hear the truth?
Patrick always said, it’s always important to tell the truth
Patrick saysOK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses? I know there are commercial services, but I don't need very high accuracy.
There is a free service at ipinfo.io, but it's not at all accurate:
curl ipinfo.io/$(curl icanhazip.com)
"city": "Petaluma",
"region": "California",
I'm about 100 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
I don't think it can be 100% accurate. For instance some people use proxy servers (I use one through the California Department of Education). But I think just having something more identifying than anon1234 would be even incrementally better.
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger. Isn’t that the point?
Or is there value in being able to single out certain messengers, in order to assault their character as a last ditch effort to devalue the message, if it hurts someone’s feelings to hear the truth?
Patrick always said, it’s always important to tell the truth
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:41pm
Patrick says
Borrow a list of Cannabis strains from leafly, and every anon can be
Sour Diesel
Blue dream
Chem dog
Gods gift
Cinderella
Blue cheese
Etc.
STFU Gorilla_Glue!! I hate Liberals and their stupid science and pesky facts. I hate how you try to trick me into thinking about stuff!!
Damn jive Obama and crooked hillary Communist Socialist ruined everything, give me my bible and my gun so i can ram my gun up my ass and clench my teeth in intense painful pleasure as i sodomize myself in the name of REPUBLICAN JESUS!! FUCK GORILLA_GLUE I HATE YOU!!
Onvacation saysHow about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
I like it!
Do you know where I can get a large list of genus+species?
Borrow a list of Cannabis strains from leafly, and every anon can be
Sour Diesel
Blue dream
Chem dog
Gods gift
Cinderella
Blue cheese
Etc.
STFU Gorilla_Glue!! I hate Liberals and their stupid science and pesky facts. I hate how you try to trick me into thinking about stuff!!
Damn jive Obama and crooked hillary Communist Socialist ruined everything, give me my bible and my gun so i can ram my gun up my ass and clench my teeth in intense painful pleasure as i sodomize myself in the name of REPUBLICAN JESUS!! FUCK GORILLA_GLUE I HATE YOU!!
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:42pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:42pm
errc says
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:47pm
Patrick says
We each have our own sets of values
Some simply seek out ideas, from wherever dark corners they may spawn
Some lack the capacity a/o desire for expanding their own collection of knowledge, so they get off on fucking with people they are jealous of. This is an Internet phenomenon, as those people get put in their place really fucking quick in the real world
errc saysWhat is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
We each have our own sets of values
Some simply seek out ideas, from wherever dark corners they may spawn
Some lack the capacity a/o desire for expanding their own collection of knowledge, so they get off on fucking with people they are jealous of. This is an Internet phenomenon, as those people get put in their place really fucking quick in the real world
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:49pm
Patrick says
The quote feature should clear all confusion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
errc saysWhat is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
The quote feature should clear all confusion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:53pm
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:53pm
errc says
I like this suggestion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
I like this suggestion.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:54pm
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:54pm
anon_961a0 says
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:56pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:56pm
Goran_K says
I'm glad you like the pay! I'll double it, starting right now. :-)
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
I'm glad you like the pay! I'll double it, starting right now. :-)
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 6:54pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 6:54pm
Patrick says
I get people will fight the messenger and not the actual message. I'm on the same page and understand it's an issue. My whole point is every here can be as anonymous as they want. Hell, it takes all of two seconds to create an email account on many services and change your username every day here if you wanted to register. If you think a messenger is a cock sucker, the ignore feature works wonders. In combination with moderation, there's really not a reason everyone can get along here with identifiable tags/usernames. Sure shit will get testy at times, but are we all not adults here? Just don't register as TimDuggins1234palmsplazaFL. Is this concept really that hard? I don't get it.
I also have zero idea why people posted hundreds, if not thousands of comments under a username here and then hide under an anonymous name now. You like it here apparently even though you complain about it as an anonymous user. If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
I get people will fight the messenger and not the actual message. I'm on the same page and understand it's an issue. My whole point is every here can be as anonymous as they want. Hell, it takes all of two seconds to create an email account on many services and change your username every day here if you wanted to register. If you think a messenger is a cock sucker, the ignore feature works wonders. In combination with moderation, there's really not a reason everyone can get along here with identifiable tags/usernames. Sure shit will get testy at times, but are we all not adults here? Just don't register as TimDuggins1234palmsplazaFL. Is this concept really that hard? I don't get it.
I also have zero idea why people posted hundreds, if not thousands of comments under a username here and then hide under an anonymous name now. You like it here apparently even though you complain about it as an anonymous user. If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 7:12pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 7:12pm
WookieMan says
I think registration is a big speedbump to participating. Lots of people just won't do register, but will post an anonymous comment without registering. Maybe I need to bug the anons with popups that let them convert to a registered account so that they can change their user name and edit/delete their comments.
WookieMan says
@WookieManDoesn't cross any line for me, because I think you're right.
No need to apologize to the women either. It's absolutely fine to say "grow a pair" to a general audience imho. This is the kind of phrase that keeps me motivated to work on the site, and to try to create more sites like this.
Example: the banning of Doug Crockford from a node conference because of offhand comments he made. See https://atom-morgan.github.io/in-defense-of-douglas-crockford
That would never have happened in a sane world.
create an email account on many services and change your username every day
I think registration is a big speedbump to participating. Lots of people just won't do register, but will post an anonymous comment without registering. Maybe I need to bug the anons with popups that let them convert to a registered account so that they can change their user name and edit/delete their comments.
WookieMan says
If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
@WookieManDoesn't cross any line for me, because I think you're right.
No need to apologize to the women either. It's absolutely fine to say "grow a pair" to a general audience imho. This is the kind of phrase that keeps me motivated to work on the site, and to try to create more sites like this.
Example: the banning of Doug Crockford from a node conference because of offhand comments he made. See https://atom-morgan.github.io/in-defense-of-douglas-crockford
That would never have happened in a sane world.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
Goran_K says
So you agree approving anon posts is about 95-99% of time spent moderating. Glad we agree on this.
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
So you agree approving anon posts is about 95-99% of time spent moderating. Glad we agree on this.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
WookieMan says
Sadly, no. There are a few sensitive, special snowflakes here that like to complain when their feelings are hurt.
WookieMan says
The problem I see with moderation is that it's totally subjective, and a moderator can be swayed by a single poster's complaints, depending what "tribe" the complainer is on. Then, this singular complainer causes restrictive moderation. That's not a formula for "free speech".
IMO, subjective moderation or restrictions is what's caused the majority of past posters to leave.
WookieMan says
Good idea, but these squeaky, minority bitches are the ones who got the "grease", and the majority of posters paid for it.
but are we all not adults here?
Sadly, no. There are a few sensitive, special snowflakes here that like to complain when their feelings are hurt.
WookieMan says
In combination with moderation,
The problem I see with moderation is that it's totally subjective, and a moderator can be swayed by a single poster's complaints, depending what "tribe" the complainer is on. Then, this singular complainer causes restrictive moderation. That's not a formula for "free speech".
IMO, subjective moderation or restrictions is what's caused the majority of past posters to leave.
WookieMan says
but you all need to stop being little bitches.
Good idea, but these squeaky, minority bitches are the ones who got the "grease", and the majority of posters paid for it.
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