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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 10:02am
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 10:02am
anon_961a0 says
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
what exactly does a moderator do?
I would say that it is as gate keeper to anon post.
As a moderator you should know what your biggest task is. What you spend the most TIME on. So what is it Goran?
I say moderators wouldn't be needed because 95-99% of their job is being gate keeper to the anons. So are you saying I'm wrong that at least 95% of your time moderating is not spend on gate keeping anon posts? If so what is a more accurate % of time functioning as moderator in regards to gate keeping anon posts?
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:03am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:03am
It's a bit of work though, since I'd have to worry about ipinfo.io going down or getting slow, and I'd have to do that lookup on every anon comment, or cache results, which is a complication. Let me process it in the back of my head today.
Very open to suggestions if someone can think of a simple and high-performance way to do this.
Very open to suggestions if someone can think of a simple and high-performance way to do this.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:06am
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 10:06am
Goran_K says
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 10:32am
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 10:32am
Patrick says
Even if it's not based on IP location, but an easily identifiable word, that would be just as good. The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty. Which is presumably the goal, to attain new users. Not sure I would want to be outed on my location to just post a comment on a forum. And I know it wouldn't be exact. In some cases it might be the same town/city though. Too much creep for me.
I also think most our anons are former (and current) registered users anyway. So they could always just log in. For some reason they don't/won't. I'll stop there before I get myself into trouble. Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
OK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses?
Even if it's not based on IP location, but an easily identifiable word, that would be just as good. The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty. Which is presumably the goal, to attain new users. Not sure I would want to be outed on my location to just post a comment on a forum. And I know it wouldn't be exact. In some cases it might be the same town/city though. Too much creep for me.
I also think most our anons are former (and current) registered users anyway. So they could always just log in. For some reason they don't/won't. I'll stop there before I get myself into trouble. Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
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mell
2018 Feb 28, 10:34am
Patrick says
Again. whether it was my objective too or not (I'm big on free speech even if offensive), I have to agree. There are close to zero personal attacks, so that goal has been certainly achieved. In fact I think too many comments are sent for approval, many with nothing personal in it at all.
Goran_K saysApprove non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
Yes, this!
I'm very happy with the moderation system so far. There are 5 moderators, and I think they're all doing a great job of deleting the personal attacks while leaving the 'non-flamey' comments alone.
Again. whether it was my objective too or not (I'm big on free speech even if offensive), I have to agree. There are close to zero personal attacks, so that goal has been certainly achieved. In fact I think too many comments are sent for approval, many with nothing personal in it at all.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 12:16pm
Goran_K says
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
- Approve non flamey anon posts.
- Delete flamey personal attacks or trolling by anons or registered.
Have you not noticed the dramatic effect just enforcing those two rules has had on the civility of conversation here?
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 12:40pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Feb 28, 12:40pm
anon_961a0 says
Shh, Goran, don't answer and jeopardize our 6 figure mod income!
This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer.
Shh, Goran, don't answer and jeopardize our 6 figure mod income!
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 1:45pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 1:45pm
WookieMan says
You're right. It's a bit creepy. My wife suggested I just animals or something like that instead. So instead of anon_1234 someone would be anon_antelope. Just have to find a way to hash IPs to animals then. But there are limited number of animals.
WookieMan says
Well, for anons you do have that, since the numbers are just part of a hash of the IP address. So every anon comment from the same IP will show up under the same name. But not for registered users. I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
The location thing could be a little creepy to new visitors in all honesty.
You're right. It's a bit creepy. My wife suggested I just animals or something like that instead. So instead of anon_1234 someone would be anon_antelope. Just have to find a way to hash IPs to animals then. But there are limited number of animals.
WookieMan says
Miss the days when you had the alias feature based on IP address.
Well, for anons you do have that, since the numbers are just part of a hash of the IP address. So every anon comment from the same IP will show up under the same name. But not for registered users. I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 2:43pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 2:43pm
Patrick says
I understand the sentiment, but they can always just delete everything if they don't want it tied to their anonymous username, on anonymous site. It happened recently or so I thought without mentioning users. Might take some time, but it's not very difficult to wipe out your patnet history.
The personal attacks are way down for sure. So the direction things are going is good in my opinion. I just think there are registered users that go anon to dig and post comments close to the edge. Some of us might approve them and others might not. Not sure why they can't just post under their regular usernames. I'll be honest here. To me it seems a little cowardly. If you could link anon's to their previous registered user accounts, I think it would be a good thing. They obviously want to be here, so not sure why they're hiding.
I dig the animal route as well. Even if all the animals get used up can't you just add a single numerical digit? Deer1 through Deer9. That should cover a shitload of users I would think. Not real sure how many anons are being created everyday, so I could be off in this assessment.
I do want people to have an out, so they can disconnect a registered name from an anon comment.
I understand the sentiment, but they can always just delete everything if they don't want it tied to their anonymous username, on anonymous site. It happened recently or so I thought without mentioning users. Might take some time, but it's not very difficult to wipe out your patnet history.
The personal attacks are way down for sure. So the direction things are going is good in my opinion. I just think there are registered users that go anon to dig and post comments close to the edge. Some of us might approve them and others might not. Not sure why they can't just post under their regular usernames. I'll be honest here. To me it seems a little cowardly. If you could link anon's to their previous registered user accounts, I think it would be a good thing. They obviously want to be here, so not sure why they're hiding.
I dig the animal route as well. Even if all the animals get used up can't you just add a single numerical digit? Deer1 through Deer9. That should cover a shitload of users I would think. Not real sure how many anons are being created everyday, so I could be off in this assessment.
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Onvacation
2018 Feb 28, 4:31pm
Onvacation
2018 Feb 28, 4:31pm
Patrick says
How about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
But there are limited number of animals.
How about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:36pm
Goran_K says
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger. Isn’t that the point?
Or is there value in being able to single out certain messengers, in order to assault their character as a last ditch effort to devalue the message, if it hurts someone’s feelings to hear the truth?
Patrick always said, it’s always important to tell the truth
Patrick saysOK, it's on the list. Anyone know a quick way to discover cities from IP addresses? I know there are commercial services, but I don't need very high accuracy.
There is a free service at ipinfo.io, but it's not at all accurate:
curl ipinfo.io/$(curl icanhazip.com)
"city": "Petaluma",
"region": "California",
I'm about 100 miles from Petaluma at the moment.
I don't think it can be 100% accurate. For instance some people use proxy servers (I use one through the California Department of Education). But I think just having something more identifying than anon1234 would be even incrementally better.
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger. Isn’t that the point?
Or is there value in being able to single out certain messengers, in order to assault their character as a last ditch effort to devalue the message, if it hurts someone’s feelings to hear the truth?
Patrick always said, it’s always important to tell the truth
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:41pm
Patrick says
Borrow a list of Cannabis strains from leafly, and every anon can be
Sour Diesel
Blue dream
Chem dog
Gods gift
Cinderella
Blue cheese
Etc.
STFU Gorilla_Glue!! I hate Liberals and their stupid science and pesky facts. I hate how you try to trick me into thinking about stuff!!
Damn jive Obama and crooked hillary Communist Socialist ruined everything, give me my bible and my gun so i can ram my gun up my ass and clench my teeth in intense painful pleasure as i sodomize myself in the name of REPUBLICAN JESUS!! FUCK GORILLA_GLUE I HATE YOU!!
Onvacation saysHow about randomly generated genus species like bombus soroeensis or homo erectus?
There are more species in nature than posters on patnet.
I like it!
Do you know where I can get a large list of genus+species?
Borrow a list of Cannabis strains from leafly, and every anon can be
Sour Diesel
Blue dream
Chem dog
Gods gift
Cinderella
Blue cheese
Etc.
STFU Gorilla_Glue!! I hate Liberals and their stupid science and pesky facts. I hate how you try to trick me into thinking about stuff!!
Damn jive Obama and crooked hillary Communist Socialist ruined everything, give me my bible and my gun so i can ram my gun up my ass and clench my teeth in intense painful pleasure as i sodomize myself in the name of REPUBLICAN JESUS!! FUCK GORILLA_GLUE I HATE YOU!!
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:42pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:42pm
errc says
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
What is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:47pm
Patrick says
We each have our own sets of values
Some simply seek out ideas, from wherever dark corners they may spawn
Some lack the capacity a/o desire for expanding their own collection of knowledge, so they get off on fucking with people they are jealous of. This is an Internet phenomenon, as those people get put in their place really fucking quick in the real world
errc saysWhat is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
We each have our own sets of values
Some simply seek out ideas, from wherever dark corners they may spawn
Some lack the capacity a/o desire for expanding their own collection of knowledge, so they get off on fucking with people they are jealous of. This is an Internet phenomenon, as those people get put in their place really fucking quick in the real world
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 4:49pm
Patrick says
The quote feature should clear all confusion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
errc saysWhat is so important about identifying the messenger?
Anons get the message out, without any need for discrimination against the messenger.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
The quote feature should clear all confusion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:53pm
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:53pm
errc says
I like this suggestion.
Maybe put quotations in a slightly different color if you find it hard to distinguish one persons quoted words from another in a post
I like this suggestion.
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Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:54pm
Goran_K
2018 Feb 28, 4:54pm
anon_961a0 says
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
The question was, how much time do you spend on approving anon posts? Still no answer. I stipulation that it is what you spend most of your time on as moderator so doing away with anons would make for little work for Patrick and no more use for moderators. This would take your job away so I see why you don't want to answer. I guess no answer is agreement then, fair enough.
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:56pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 4:56pm
Goran_K says
I'm glad you like the pay! I'll double it, starting right now. :-)
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
I'm glad you like the pay! I'll double it, starting right now. :-)
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 6:54pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 6:54pm
Patrick says
I get people will fight the messenger and not the actual message. I'm on the same page and understand it's an issue. My whole point is every here can be as anonymous as they want. Hell, it takes all of two seconds to create an email account on many services and change your username every day here if you wanted to register. If you think a messenger is a cock sucker, the ignore feature works wonders. In combination with moderation, there's really not a reason everyone can get along here with identifiable tags/usernames. Sure shit will get testy at times, but are we all not adults here? Just don't register as TimDuggins1234palmsplazaFL. Is this concept really that hard? I don't get it.
I also have zero idea why people posted hundreds, if not thousands of comments under a username here and then hide under an anonymous name now. You like it here apparently even though you complain about it as an anonymous user. If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
I think @errc has a good point. People should be able to remain as obscure as they want to (as long as their comments go through some kind of moderation to cut down on the flamey stuff).
But it does also help the conversation if you can tell that you're talking to the same person as you did one minute ago. When all anon's were just "anon" it was really confusing.
I get people will fight the messenger and not the actual message. I'm on the same page and understand it's an issue. My whole point is every here can be as anonymous as they want. Hell, it takes all of two seconds to create an email account on many services and change your username every day here if you wanted to register. If you think a messenger is a cock sucker, the ignore feature works wonders. In combination with moderation, there's really not a reason everyone can get along here with identifiable tags/usernames. Sure shit will get testy at times, but are we all not adults here? Just don't register as TimDuggins1234palmsplazaFL. Is this concept really that hard? I don't get it.
I also have zero idea why people posted hundreds, if not thousands of comments under a username here and then hide under an anonymous name now. You like it here apparently even though you complain about it as an anonymous user. If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 7:12pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 7:12pm
WookieMan says
I think registration is a big speedbump to participating. Lots of people just won't do register, but will post an anonymous comment without registering. Maybe I need to bug the anons with popups that let them convert to a registered account so that they can change their user name and edit/delete their comments.
WookieMan says
@WookieManDoesn't cross any line for me, because I think you're right.
No need to apologize to the women either. It's absolutely fine to say "grow a pair" to a general audience imho. This is the kind of phrase that keeps me motivated to work on the site, and to try to create more sites like this.
Example: the banning of Doug Crockford from a node conference because of offhand comments he made. See https://atom-morgan.github.io/in-defense-of-douglas-crockford
That would never have happened in a sane world.
create an email account on many services and change your username every day
I think registration is a big speedbump to participating. Lots of people just won't do register, but will post an anonymous comment without registering. Maybe I need to bug the anons with popups that let them convert to a registered account so that they can change their user name and edit/delete their comments.
WookieMan says
If this crosses a line let me know Patrick, but you all need to stop being little bitches. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. If some of the people on this site bother you, you likely have some other issues that might need to be addressed. I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
@WookieManDoesn't cross any line for me, because I think you're right.
No need to apologize to the women either. It's absolutely fine to say "grow a pair" to a general audience imho. This is the kind of phrase that keeps me motivated to work on the site, and to try to create more sites like this.
Example: the banning of Doug Crockford from a node conference because of offhand comments he made. See https://atom-morgan.github.io/in-defense-of-douglas-crockford
That would never have happened in a sane world.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 7:17pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 7:17pm
As this has kind of evolved into a Patnet improvement thread in a way, one quick suggestion/request. Any chance we can merge similar threads? It's not a massive issue, but there are sometimes 3-4 different threads on the exact same topic. This happens around major events. School shootings, mass shooting, etc.
For some reason it seems like some form or another of climate change thread is started almost daily. Then there's the occasional duplicate post of someone getting info at the same time.
Again, not a big deal. To be honest, the climate change threads are really becoming obnoxious. Ultimately that's my beef. Can we just ban it, like talking about other users?
For some reason it seems like some form or another of climate change thread is started almost daily. Then there's the occasional duplicate post of someone getting info at the same time.
Again, not a big deal. To be honest, the climate change threads are really becoming obnoxious. Ultimately that's my beef. Can we just ban it, like talking about other users?
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 7:39pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 7:39pm
Patrick says
I know. I've bitched about this a lot here. I figure if I bitch enough maybe I'll win. Your point is absolutely valid about getting new participation. I registered back in 2011 I think and didn't post a damn thing until 2 years ago or so. I was lurking before then as well I think since 2009. Although I'm not certain registering to the site was my hurdle, but maybe it is for some.
I could also post my full name here with middle initial, and unless there are anon's or registered users here working for the gov, good luck finding me. Not sure if there's a ranking for it, but my first and last name have to be in the top 30-50 of common names. There are over 100 of me around Chicago. So maybe I don't have to take the anonymous thing as seriously as others do.
I think registration is a big speedbump to participating. Lots of people just won't do register, but will post an anonymous comment without registering. Maybe I need to bug the anons with popups that let them convert to a registered account so that they can change their user name and edit/delete their comments.
I know. I've bitched about this a lot here. I figure if I bitch enough maybe I'll win. Your point is absolutely valid about getting new participation. I registered back in 2011 I think and didn't post a damn thing until 2 years ago or so. I was lurking before then as well I think since 2009. Although I'm not certain registering to the site was my hurdle, but maybe it is for some.
I could also post my full name here with middle initial, and unless there are anon's or registered users here working for the gov, good luck finding me. Not sure if there's a ranking for it, but my first and last name have to be in the top 30-50 of common names. There are over 100 of me around Chicago. So maybe I don't have to take the anonymous thing as seriously as others do.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
Goran_K says
So you agree approving anon posts is about 95-99% of time spent moderating. Glad we agree on this.
I don't know. Couple minutes here and there?
Patrick pays me the same no matter how much time I work. He's generous like that.
So you agree approving anon posts is about 95-99% of time spent moderating. Glad we agree on this.
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MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
MrMagic
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
WookieMan says
Sadly, no. There are a few sensitive, special snowflakes here that like to complain when their feelings are hurt.
WookieMan says
The problem I see with moderation is that it's totally subjective, and a moderator can be swayed by a single poster's complaints, depending what "tribe" the complainer is on. Then, this singular complainer causes restrictive moderation. That's not a formula for "free speech".
IMO, subjective moderation or restrictions is what's caused the majority of past posters to leave.
WookieMan says
Good idea, but these squeaky, minority bitches are the ones who got the "grease", and the majority of posters paid for it.
but are we all not adults here?
Sadly, no. There are a few sensitive, special snowflakes here that like to complain when their feelings are hurt.
WookieMan says
In combination with moderation,
The problem I see with moderation is that it's totally subjective, and a moderator can be swayed by a single poster's complaints, depending what "tribe" the complainer is on. Then, this singular complainer causes restrictive moderation. That's not a formula for "free speech".
IMO, subjective moderation or restrictions is what's caused the majority of past posters to leave.
WookieMan says
but you all need to stop being little bitches.
Good idea, but these squeaky, minority bitches are the ones who got the "grease", and the majority of posters paid for it.
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anonymous
2018 Feb 28, 7:57pm
WookieMan says
It's funny people get so heated over anons. Either it bothers some one or it doesn't. What's it matter if I post as anon_1234 or Bob dabalina.
I apologize to our women anon's, but grow a fucking pair or just go away.
It's funny people get so heated over anons. Either it bothers some one or it doesn't. What's it matter if I post as anon_1234 or Bob dabalina.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 8:00pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 8:00pm
WookieMan says
Yes, that sounds useful and not too hard.
What would happen to the original post from the thread that got merged into another? Just concatenate the two original posts?
one quick suggestion/request. Any chance we can merge similar threads?
Yes, that sounds useful and not too hard.
What would happen to the original post from the thread that got merged into another? Just concatenate the two original posts?
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 8:56pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 8:56pm
anon_961a0 says
I get heated, but admittedly you have a valid point. I simply don't have the time to record all the anon_xxxx digits in my mind or on paper. AssBag42 or ChickenSlime10 are a whole hell of a lot easier to remember. I love the concept of anonymity. It really is a solid thing. There's a problem though when people post anonymous garbage time after time and you're left trying to figure out which anon user it was. Then they get a new IP and they're a new number. You kind of think you know who it is, but you're not certain. So the ignore function isn't an option for these people.
I guess that's my issue. There are people I'd like to ignore, but they just keep coming back in different forms. I can hit the ignore button 100 times and it doesn't matter. The same ass bag will keep coming back.
It's funny people get so heated over anons. Either it bothers some one or it doesn't. What's it matter if I post as anon_1234 or Bob dabalina.
I get heated, but admittedly you have a valid point. I simply don't have the time to record all the anon_xxxx digits in my mind or on paper. AssBag42 or ChickenSlime10 are a whole hell of a lot easier to remember. I love the concept of anonymity. It really is a solid thing. There's a problem though when people post anonymous garbage time after time and you're left trying to figure out which anon user it was. Then they get a new IP and they're a new number. You kind of think you know who it is, but you're not certain. So the ignore function isn't an option for these people.
I guess that's my issue. There are people I'd like to ignore, but they just keep coming back in different forms. I can hit the ignore button 100 times and it doesn't matter. The same ass bag will keep coming back.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:07pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:07pm
WookieMan says
Yes, you have a point there. Maybe I really should disallow anons.
There are people I'd like to ignore, but they just keep coming back in different forms. I can hit the ignore button 100 times and it doesn't matter. The same ass bag will keep coming back.
Yes, you have a point there. Maybe I really should disallow anons.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:22pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:22pm
Sniper says
I'm technically complaining. Hopefully you consider me a chunk of hail and not a snowflake though. Because I'm a hard ass M F'er.
Sniper says
I miss some of the past posters to be honest. Even though most have still been around. Refresh the site enough and you'll see many that haven't been heard from under their original usernames show up at the top. I have my flurry of posts, but I refresh the page frequently without posting and I've see a lot of past users logged in. Good feature addition Patrick ;)
Patrick says
I actually wouldn't go that far. Maybe just restrict them outside of instant moderation. Maybe number of posts/comments. I assume you've seen the recent dumpster fire in moderation right now? Someone must have gotten triggered. My apologies, as I feel like it may have been my finger on the trigger for this individual.
Sadly, no. There are a few sensitive, special snowflakes here that like to complain when their feelings are hurt.
I'm technically complaining. Hopefully you consider me a chunk of hail and not a snowflake though. Because I'm a hard ass M F'er.
Sniper says
IMO, subjective moderation or restrictions is what's caused the majority of past posters to leave.
I miss some of the past posters to be honest. Even though most have still been around. Refresh the site enough and you'll see many that haven't been heard from under their original usernames show up at the top. I have my flurry of posts, but I refresh the page frequently without posting and I've see a lot of past users logged in. Good feature addition Patrick ;)
Patrick says
Yes, you have a point there. Maybe I really should disallow anons.
I actually wouldn't go that far. Maybe just restrict them outside of instant moderation. Maybe number of posts/comments. I assume you've seen the recent dumpster fire in moderation right now? Someone must have gotten triggered. My apologies, as I feel like it may have been my finger on the trigger for this individual.
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Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:23pm
Patrick
2018 Feb 28, 9:23pm
Yes, maybe the answer is that you get 3 comments as anon, but after that, you have to register to continue commenting from that IP.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:49pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:49pm
Ladies and gentleman. This is the trash we get to take out.
I took out the users name. I really don't get this. This is entering the pure hatred and creeper level. It's a fucking anonymous internet forum guys! Grow the fuck up. I have fun here, get some good laughs, good info/news, some bad news, etc. but this type of shit is just disturbing.
I don't want to give this anon attention as they know who they are, so feel free to delete this comment Patrick if you want. Just feel like it may help people realize what is being "censored." Type shit like this I'll censor your ass all day. Regardless of who the anonymous user is in a comment like this.
On a different note, I have it on good authority that anonymous users wife's snatch smells of rotting Kimchi.
I took out the users name. I really don't get this. This is entering the pure hatred and creeper level. It's a fucking anonymous internet forum guys! Grow the fuck up. I have fun here, get some good laughs, good info/news, some bad news, etc. but this type of shit is just disturbing.
I don't want to give this anon attention as they know who they are, so feel free to delete this comment Patrick if you want. Just feel like it may help people realize what is being "censored." Type shit like this I'll censor your ass all day. Regardless of who the anonymous user is in a comment like this.
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WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:59pm
WookieMan
2018 Feb 28, 9:59pm
Patrick says
I was more thinking a daily limit. As I mentioned, I bitch and whine about this topic a lot. But I do understand trying to be as anonymous as possible.
3 per day sounds reasonable to me. Only 3 posts in total as anon before a registration prompt and you're not going to have much retention for new users, or at least that's my guess. There's a balancing act here, but unfettered anon access to the forum I don't think has been a net positive to your whole operation. And there are flaws with registered users as well, but it's probably best to go after the low hanging fruit first..
Yes, maybe the answer is that you get 3 comments as anon, but after that, you have to register to continue commenting from that IP.
I was more thinking a daily limit. As I mentioned, I bitch and whine about this topic a lot. But I do understand trying to be as anonymous as possible.
3 per day sounds reasonable to me. Only 3 posts in total as anon before a registration prompt and you're not going to have much retention for new users, or at least that's my guess. There's a balancing act here, but unfettered anon access to the forum I don't think has been a net positive to your whole operation. And there are flaws with registered users as well, but it's probably best to go after the low hanging fruit first..
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Malcolm
2018 Mar 1, 7:49am
Malcolm
2018 Mar 1, 7:49am
It is funny, to me, that a rule saying be civil to each other is controversial and actually generated a debate.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 1, 10:12am
Patrick
2018 Mar 1, 10:12am
Malcolm says
Funny to me too.
It is funny, to me, that a rule saying be civil to each other is controversial and actually generated a debate.
Funny to me too.
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WookieMan
2018 Mar 2, 10:19am
WookieMan
2018 Mar 2, 10:19am
@Patrick - Are anons back? Or did someone get clever with a new username on the thread with the teacher wanting to fuck that poor young boy?
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Patrick
2018 Mar 2, 10:47am
Patrick
2018 Mar 2, 10:47am
I'm changing things today and it was allowed again for a while. But the current plan is to just add username and email fields below the comment box when you are not logged in, so you can comment and register at the same time. That's how it used to be long ago, and I think it was the best way. It's still a speedbump, but not as much as a totally different registration step.
Sorry for all the experimentation. You'd think I'd have this down by now.
Sorry for all the experimentation. You'd think I'd have this down by now.
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Patrick
2018 Mar 2, 10:50am
Patrick
2018 Mar 2, 10:50am
Going to delete a lot of shit now.
Don't want to hear about other users or moderation policies. They are what they are.
Don't want to hear about other users or moderation policies. They are what they are.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 2, 12:55pm
Patrick says
Moving forward, should i continue to mark comments as personal when people call a user by a different, or old, user name?
Going to delete a lot of shit now.
Don't want to hear about other users or moderation policies. They are what they are.
Moving forward, should i continue to mark comments as personal when people call a user by a different, or old, user name?
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