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I see what you mean about youtube, here is one that I enjoyed, exposing Maher for the idiot that he is.

https://www.N77MYF3Rqdk

Dan8267 says

Bill O'Reilly is a big, fat liar

You're in trouble.

Call it Crazy says

indigenous says

I see what you mean about youtube, here is one that I enjoyed, exposing Maher for the idiot that he is.

Yep, he's an idiot! Since it's on Youtube, it has to be accurate, according to Dan!

I told you.

Call it Crazy says

Yep, he's an idiot! Since it's on Youtube, it has to be accurate, according to Dan!

There you go, bonafide...

Call it Crazy says

Yep, he's an idiot! Since it's on Youtube, it has to be accurate, according to Dan!

indigenous says

There you go, bonafide...

It's the content of the video not the hard drive it's stored on that matters.

I notice that neither of you idiots have refuted the actual lies that O'Reilly was caught telling. I guess that means you're admitting that he's a big, fat liar.

indigenous says

the actual lies that O'Reilly was caught telling.

You mean he embellished his experience? Reminds me of Hillary telling her stories of going into the war zone... Or maybe Brian Williams...

Anyway I like what Rush calls O'Reilly, Ted Baxter. That may be a little before your time but you can look him up. Hilarious stuff. You have me confused with a Republican.

But one thing is for sure Maher, as indicated by that video is full of shit.

indigenous says

I see what you mean about youtube, here is one that I enjoyed, exposing Maher for the idiot that he is.

Wow, if that's the worst you can find on Bill Maher, you're really grasping for straws. Maher's statement, while not completely accurate, was hardly way off base. From Politifact

Brazil does produce a lot of sugarcane ethanol, as Maher said.

"Brazil is one of the largest producers of ethanol in the world and is the largest exporter of the fuel," according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, an independent agency within the U.S. Department of Energy that collects and analyzes energy information.

Additionally, more than half of all cars in Brazil are flexible-fuel capable, which means they can run on 100 percent ethanol or an ethanol-gasoline mixture.

By contrast, the best numbers we found for the United States is that there are approximately 8 million flexible-fuel vehicles, which would translate to roughly 3 percent of all vehicles.

But even though Brazil aggressively uses biofuels, and invests quite a bit in hydroelectric power, it still produces and consumes a lot of oil.

In 2008, Brazil ranked No. 7 on the list of the world's countries that consume the most oil, using about 2.5 million barrels per day. In first place was the United States at 19.5 million barrels per day, followed by China, Japan, India, Russia, and Germany, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Getting back to our factcheck, Maher was likely remembering Brazil's aggresive efforts to promote ethanol, and certainly Brazil has outpaced the United States in getting flexible fuel vehicles on the road. But Maher said, "Brazil got off oil in the last 30 years." Actually, Brazil still consumes a great deal of oil. It's also embarking on more offshore drilling in some of the deepest waters for exploration. Brazil is hardly "off oil." So we rate Maher's statement False.

So, yes, Maher did make a mistake, but it was hardly the batshit crazy kind of mistake that conservatives make all the time like
- Obama was born in Kenya
- Iraq had WMDs
- Saddam was behind 9/11

Nor was there anything idiotic about Maher's statement in contrast to Sarah Palin's speech. Furthermore, Maher wasn't lying like O'Reilly was in the video of the original post.

So you managed to prove that Bill Maher is human and capable of making a mistake. As this is the only mistake that you've ever been able to show him making -- and let's face it, you're looking damn hard for Maher to mess up -- that's a pretty damn good track record.

In contrast, Fox News lies like crazy. Fox News lies 82% of the time.

Pundifact found Fox News to have only told the truth 18 percent (15 of 83) of the time for the statements they checked. And even of that 18 percent, only 8 percent of what they said was completely “True.” The other 10 percent was rated as “Mostly True.” A staggering 60 percent (50 of 83) comments were found to be either “Mostly False,” “False,” or “Pants on Fire.”

The Daily Show aired 50 lies of Fox News and these were confirmed to be lies and "pants on fire" lies by Politifact like this gem.

4. "Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns."

Tucker Carlson, Aug. 9, 2014

Pants on Fire

You conservatives are still smelling like shit. And Maher, although not perfect -- who ever said he was? -- is smelling pretty nice. So keep grasping at those straws, but you will never find Maher or Rachel Maddow or NPR ever saying anything remotely as batshit crazy as you conservatives.

Dan8267 says

largest exporter of the fuel

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that in 2013, Brazil was the eighth-largest energy consumer in the world and the third-largest in the Americas (North America, Central America, the Caribbean, and South America), behind the United States and Canada. Total primary energy consumption in Brazil has increased by more than one-third in the past decade because of sustained economic growth. The largest share of Brazil's total energy consumption is oil and other liquid fuels, followed by hydroelectricity and natural gas.

Preliminary statistics show Brazil was the 10th largest energy producer in the world in 2013. In addition, Brazil has increased its total energy production, particularly oil and ethanol. According to the Empresa de Pesquisa Energética (EPE), ethanol production represented 19% of Brazil's total energy production compared to 15% a decade ago. Oil remained at an average of 41% of total energy production as total energy production increased 36% in the past decade.1 Increasing domestic oil production has been a long-term goal of the Brazilian government, and recent discoveries of large offshore, pre-salt oil deposits could transform Brazil into one of the largest oil producers in the world.

This is the first thing that came up on Google.

Most of what Maher says is opinion, but that shit don't fly on a show that is not for entertainment.

Again, a single mistake hardly constitutes idiocracy. The multitude of mistakes and out-right unbelievable lies that Fox News tells does constitute idiocracy. And Maher's point, that America could dramatically reduce, if not eliminate, its dependency on oil is still true.

You're grasping at straws, but yes, Maher did make a mistake. Now, can you admit that Bill O'Reilly lied as shown in the original post? Of course you can't. I'm calling you out on it, but you still can't say the words "Bill O'Reilly lied".

Dan8267 says

And Maher's point, that America could dramatically reduce, if not eliminate, its dependency on oil is still true.

No that is not true either, the amount of energy that ethanol produces is less than the energy it takes to produce it. Where as the very best trade off is the amount of energy gasoline gives to how much it takes to produce it.

Not to mention that ethanol drives up the price of corn and is draining the Ogallala Aquifer, which will make the Calif drought small potatoes in comparison.

I don't give a fuck about the veracity of O'Reilly, I never listen to him any more than I would listen to Maher.

The one that is mostly on the mark is John Oliver.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

And Maher's point, that America could dramatically reduce, if not eliminate, its dependency on oil is still true.

No that is not true either, the amount of energy that ethanol produces is less than the energy it takes to produce it. Where as the very best trade off is the amount of energy gasoline gives to how much it takes to produce it.

Ethanol is hardly the only alternative to oil. Give me one reason why America couldn't reduce its usage of oil by at least 50% if our sovereignty depended on it. It's all about political will, not technological limitations.

indigenous says

Most of what Maher says is opinion, but that shit don't fly on a show that is not for entertainment.

Actually, no. If you count statements on his show, most are factual, not opinions, because he bases his opinion on fact. Unlike you conservatives who base "facts" on you opinions.

Call it Crazy says

But Dan thinks what Maher says is absolute fact!

Once again, CIC has to lie, and like always, the lie he tells is easily disproved. This lie is disproved just a few posts up.

Dan8267 says

Maher did make a mistake.

Oh shit, that statement, made right before CIC's remark, completely discredits his remark. If only CIC could read.

The comments by conservatives in this thread demonstrate several things.
1. They really hate Bill Maher because he consistently makes conservatives look like fools.
2. Because of #1, they scour media looking for the slightest mistake they can blow out of proportion.
3. Despite #2, the worst mistake they could find is Maher making an extemporaneous non-quantitative statement of Brazilian oil usage that was not accurate.
4. #3 shows that Maher's pretty damn accurate by the "exception to the rule" principle.
5. Despite #4, the conservatives try to equate an off-the-cuff statement to the prepared, deliberate lies of Fox News and falsely claim it's a wash because Maher made one mistake and that washes away all the deliberate and outrageous lies of Fox News.

Dan8267 says

In contrast, Fox News lies like crazy. Fox News lies 82% of the time.

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Some of Fox's Lies

1. "In July 2010 the government said small businesses -- 60 percent -- will lose their health care, 45 percent of big business and a large percentage of individual health."

Sean Hannity, Nov. 11, 2013

False

* * *

2. "And President Obama has offered to pay out of his own pocket for the museum of Muslim culture out of his own pocket, yet it's the Republican National Committee who's paying for this."

Anna Kooiman, Oct. 5, 2013

* * *

3. Labor union president Andy Stern is "the most frequent visitor" at the White House.

Glenn Beck, Dec. 3, 2009

False

* * *

4. "Far more children died last year drowning in their bathtubs than were killed accidentally by guns."

Tucker Carlson, Aug. 9, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

5. White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard once served as the "right-hand man" for Bertha Lewis, who heads up ACORN.

Steve Doocy, Sept. 29, 2009

False

* * *

6. "Look at the debt that has been accumulated in the last two years. It's more debt under this president than all those other presidents combined."

Sarah Palin, May 31, 2011

False

* * *

7. "There is no good data showing secondhand smoke kills people."

John Stossel, Dec. 4, 2014

False

* * *

8. "Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history."

Sarah Palin, Aug. 1, 2010

Pants on Fire

* * *

9. "The insurance industry is actually run by mostly Democrats."

Dana Perino, Oct. 31, 2013

False

* * *

10. The Obama administration "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

Lou Dobbs, July 1, 2014

False

* * *

11. Some doctors say Ebola can be transmitted through the air by "a sneeze or some cough."

George Will, Oct. 19, 2014

False

* * *

12. Says the Texas State Board of Education is considering eliminating references to Christmas and the Constitution in textbooks.

Gretchen Carlson, March 10, 2010

Pants on Fire

* * *

13. Because of President Barack Obama’s failure to "push job creation," the black unemployment rate in Ferguson, Mo., is three times higher than the white unemployment rate.

Lou Dobbs, Aug. 19, 2014

False

* * *

14. When White House communications director Anita Dunn said that Mao Tse-tung was "one of her favorite philosophers, only Fox News picked that up."

Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 23, 2009

False

* * *

15. "The president of the United States will be taking a trip over to India that is expected to cost the taxpayers $200 million a day."

Michele Bachmann, Nov. 3, 2010

False

(Note: Bachmann’s claim was made on CNN, not Fox News but Glenn Beck made a similar claim on Fox)

* * *

16. "We researched to find out if anybody on Fox News had ever said you're going to jail if you don't buy health insurance. Nobody's ever said it."

Bill O’Reilly, Oct. 27, 2010

Pants on Fire

* * *

17. "If you make more than $250,000 a year … you only really take home about $125,000."

Steve Doocy, July 11, 2012

False

* * *

18. A Census Bureau worker says he was told to skew information to bring the unemployment rate down "as we headed into an election season."

Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Nov. 19, 2013

False

* * *

19. "Health care mandate will require imprisonment and fines for Americans who can’t afford to purchase insurance or pay hefty government penalties."

Patients First, Sept. 21, 2009

Mostly False

(Note: Fox hosts have said closely similar statements because of our research into Bill O’Reilly’s Pants on Fire claim -- No. 16 -- that no one on Fox News ever said it.)

* * *

20. "And finally tonight, although it pains me to say this, Jon Stewart? Comedy Central? He was right. Now on his program last night, he mentioned that we had played some incorrect video on this program last week while talking about the Republican health care rally on Capitol Hill. He was correct, we screwed up, we aired some video of a rally in September, along with a video from the actual event. It was an inadvertent mistake, but a mistake nonetheless, so Mr. Stewart. you were right, we apologize. But by the way, I wanna thank you, and all your writers, for watching."

Sean Hannity, Nov. 12, 2009

* * *

21. "I don’t remember any terrorist attacks on American soil during that period of time (2000-08)."

Eric Bolling, July 14, 2011

* * *

22. The United Way and Enroll America, in Coral Gables, Fla., had "navigators going door to door, knocking on the homes of the uninsured … helping them navigate through the different plans that are available.

Phil Keating, Oct. 1, 2013

* * *

23. Less than 10 percent of Obama's Cabinet appointees "have any experience in the private sector."

Glenn Beck, Nov. 30, 2009

False

* * *

24. During the lead-up to the American Revolutionary War, "some guy in Boston got his head blown off because he tried to secretly raise the tax on tea."

Andrea Tantaros, Jan. 15, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

25. "American troops have never been under the formal control of another nation."

Karl Rove, March 23, 2001

False

* * *

26. "The 'Denver Post' has actually hired an editor to promote pot."

Bill O’Reilly, Dec. 9, 2013

False

* * *

27. "The amount of attention paid this week to Chris Christie makes the coverage of Benghazi ... pale in significance."

Karl Rove, Jan. 12, 2014

False

* * *

28. Liberals have figured out a Facebook algorithm and "all the people getting banned from Facebook are somehow conservatives."

Todd Starnes, April 17, 2014

False

* * *

29. Obamacare is "one big fat VA system."

Kimberly Guilfoyle, May 21, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

30. Says Gov. Rick Scott's approval ratings are up.

Brian Kilmeade, April 15, 2001

False

* * *

31. "Under the Obama plan . . . all the health care in this country is eventually going to be run by the government."

Sen. Tom Coburn, March 4, 2009

False

* * *

32. If you log into the government's Cash for Clunkers website (cars.gov) from your home computer, the government can "seize all of your personal and private" information, and track your computer activity.

Kimberly Guilfoyle, July 31, 2009

False

* * *

33. The Massachusetts health care plan is "wildly unpopular" among state residents.

Laura Ingraham, May 12, 2011

False

* * *

34. "The Constitution simply does not authorize the federal government to own any of this land (in the Western states)."

Andrew Napolitano, April 23, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

35. Says President Barack Obama is "sending a much larger (force) " to deal with Ebola "than ISIS is getting."

Brit Hume, Sept. 21, 2014

False

* * *

36. On climate change, "the temperature readings have been fabricated, and it's all blowing up in their (scientists') faces."

Dana Perino, Feb. 9, 2015

Pants on Fire

* * *

37. Says President Barack Obama’s recent New York fundraising trip "cost between $25 million and $50 million."

Donald Trump, Oct. 13, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

38. Under President Barack Obama, "8.3 (million) fewer Americans are working today than there were four years ago."

Sean Hannity, Jan. 20, 2013

False

* * *

39. Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."

Sarah Palin, Aug. 7, 2009

Pants on Fire

(Note: This claim was made originally on Facebook. It’s unclear to us if Palin said it on Fox News.)

* * *

40. New poll by YouGov shows that 7/10 people who voted for President Obama’s re-election in 2012 ‘regret’ doing so

Fox and Friend tweet, Feb. 19, 2014

False

* * *

41. "NASA scientists fudged the numbers to make 1998 the hottest year to overstate the extent of global warming."

Steve Doocy, June 24, 2014

Pants on Fire

* * *

42. A new Colorado law "literally allows residents to print ballots from their home computers, then encourages them to turn ballots over to ‘collectors.’ "

Megyn Kelly, Oct. 21, 2014

False

* * *

43. The Affordable Care Act alters the "sensible doctor-patient-relationship-centered health care program ... we see today."

Sarah Palin, Nov. 24, 2013

False

* * *

44. Since 1965, the United States has spent "untold trillions" yet the poverty rate hasn’t budged.

Bill O’Reilly, July 26, 2011

False

* * *

45. Says Colorado food stamp recipients can use ATMs to get cash to buy marijuana.

Brian Kilmeade, Jan. 21, 2014

False

* * *

46. "Attorney General Eric Holder is involved in the dismissal of the criminal charges" against the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation

Bill O’Reilly, July 17, 2010

False

* * *

47. "Barack Obama had 150 days in the U.S. Senate where he was able to vote quite often 'present.' "

Sarah Palin, Feb. 6, 2010

False

* * *

48. "It will cost $50,000 per enrollee in Obamacare over the next 10 years."

Stuart Varney, Jan. 27, 2015

False

* * *

49. "We're going to be looking at $8 billion a day that we're going to be pouring into foreign countries in order to import that make-up fuel that we're going to need to take the place of what we could have gotten out of the Gulf (of Mexico)."

Sarah Palin, May 1, 2013

Pants on Fire

* * *

50. "Why do we have automatic citizenship upon birth? We're the only country in the world that has it."

Glenn Beck, June 10, 2009

False

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So the conservative strategy is to distract from the real scandals by planting false ones. It must be one of those days ending in "y".

Dan8267 says

Ethanol is hardly the only alternative to oil. Give me one reason why America couldn't reduce its usage of oil by at least 50% if our sovereignty depended on it. It's all about political will, not technological limitations.

Ok, reality. The main factor has to do with how much energy does it takes to create the energy. For transportation the most efficient is gasoline.

Dan8267 says

Actually, no. If you count statements on his show, most are factual, not opinions, because he bases his opinion on fact. Unlike you conservatives who base "facts" on you opinions

I don't know because I don't watch the show, but from what I have seen it is 10% a news item and 90% highly colored chatter.

As to your pants on fire quotes, once again you confuse me with a republican, I don't care to defend any of those you list, with the exception of Napolitano. You have to admit that when the Feds own 81% of Nevada, 66% of Utah, and 61% of Idaho that something this is non sequitur?

I do note that your pants on fire site is left leaning. E.G. it is very hard to find anything that is rated pants on fire regarding Hillary Clinton...

Call it Crazy says

Even THEY claim he lies, 50% of the time..

Nice, game set and match

Call it Crazy says

Even THEY claim he lies, 50% of the time..

A random sampling of their rulings doesn't support their conclusion. Let's take the first ruling:

Bill Maher: "There are 278 Republicans in Congress. (With Eric Cantor's defeat), they are now all Christian and all white except for one black senator, who was appointed."

The only possible hang-up to Maher’s claim when examining the current makeup of Congress when it comes to religion is how you view Mormonism. Some Christians do not recognize Mormons, belonging to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as Christians. Mormons do consider themselves Christians.

So the part that the Republicans are all Christians is confirmed.

There are no other African-American Republicans in Congress (there are 43 black Democrats). There also are no Asian or Pacific Islander Republicans in Congress (there are 13 Democrats).

But there are three Hispanic Republican senators and seven Hispanic Republicans in the House, according to the Congressional Research Service. That includes Cuban-American Sens. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Florida Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and Mario Diaz-Balart, and Rep. Raul Labrador, R-Idaho, born in Puerto Rico.

Hmm, so the objection that makes this statement "false" according to the report is that Hispanic means non-white. Well, that's not true. Let's look at each of the individuals who are "not white" by the report.

Marco Rubio, I'm not white!

Ted Cruz, I'm not white!

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, I'm not white!

Mario Diaz-Balart, I'm not white!

Raul Labrador, I'm not white!

Well, I got news for you. They are all white. I don't give a rat's ass what strange interpretation of "white" you are trying to pull out of your ass, but in the context of the statement Bill Maher made, they are clearly white. So his statement was absolutely true.

Yes, Politifact does make mistakes. However, I am not appealing to authority here, but simply referencing statements and analysis that can be independently verified. You are perfectly free to take ANY statement of Fox News that Politifact rated false or pants on fire and dispute it. However, you cannot successfully dispute the multitudes of pants on fire ratings.

Now, Maher didn't earn a single "pants on fire" and the above shows that this false rating is unmerited.

Out of 20 years of doing political comedy and opinion, Politifact was only able to find three incorrect statements from Maher. If only Jesus Christ were that close to perfection. And none of these incorrect statements were lies. One was a misunderstanding of a technical part of a proposed bill on Medicare, but Maher wasn't far off. The second one, about Brazil and oil, was incorrect but only in degree and didn't undermine the point he was trying to make. The third one, about wood gas pipes, is unknown to be correct or incorrect. However, Maher was referencing an AP article and it was reasonable for him to assume they were correct. From PolitiFact,

we, too, tend to give the AP a high degree of credibility.

Well, if that's your case against Maher, your showing how truly desperate you are to discredit someone who constantly kicks your ass with the truth. I mean it's pretty sad especially when you run away from the plethora of lies told by Fox News and all other conservative medial.

If Fox News had the accuracy rating of Maher or The Daily Show, then no one would make fun of it. The fact is that you conservatives don't have the truth behind you and you have to make ridiculous reaches to grasp even a straw to support your position.

No, Maher and the "liberal media" aren't the liars. You conservatives are.

Call it Crazy says

reading comprehension

Dummy, you need to mix it up. This is as worn out as your "delusional" keyboard shortcut.

Call it Crazy says

back·ped·al
ˈbakˌpedl/
verb

reverse one's previous action or opinion.
"you've criticized him for backpedaling on budget reform"
synonyms: change one's mind, backtrack, back down, climb down, (do an) about-face, reverse course, do a U-turn, renege, go back (on), back out (of), fail to honor something, withdraw, default (on)
"they agreed to the peace initiative, but soon after they backpedaled"

I'm not going to get into a nomenclature war, but by the above definition, backpedaling is exactly what one should do when presented with a compelling case that one is wrong.

It is exactly correct to change one's position because new information or understanding has shown one's current position is wrong. Let's say you believed GMOs caused cancer and scientific evidence came out that they didn't. You should abandon your pursuit of laws to make GMOs illegal. In contrast, let's say you believed GMOs were safe and scientific evidence came out that they are not. You should abandon your opposition of regulating GMOs.

You should never be married to any position. The evidence may be compelling for a position, and if so, it should require equally compelling evidence to abandon that position, but you should never be married to any position. If you are, then your opinion on the issue is worthless.

Dan8267 says

Hmm, so the objection that makes this statement "false" according to the report is that Hispanic means non-white. Well, that's not true. Let's look at each of the individuals who are "not white" by the report.

Oh oh, don't forget Lizzy Warren, she is not white either.

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