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Peace Must Be Stopped At Any Cost; Lies and Hypocrisy on Iran
2015 Apr 14, 6:24am 7,815 views 29 comments
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Strategist will be along shortly to explain why obedience if freedom and freedom is obedience.
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 6:59am
The question about freedom is, freedom to or freedom from, or just freedom. Complete freedom is really the opposite as the boredom will kill you.
Strategist
2015 Apr 14, 7:30am
War proponents will settle for nothing less than war.
You are yelling "Wolf" "Wolf" When you keep yelling these accusations by default every time, our security is jeopardized when a real threat comes along. All threats do not need to be taken seriously, but some do. We live in a more dangerous world with more dangerous weapons.
Strategist will be along shortly to explain why obedience if freedom and freedom is obedience.
There is no real freedom as long as those who desire to take away our freedom are free to do so.
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 7:42am
Good call Bob. Strategist says
our security is jeopardized
They have been saying that literally for 100 years.
Wilson ordered the Lusitania into U boat infested waters despite warnings from Germany
FDR put embargos on Japan almost forcing them into war.
LBJ (what a fucking winner this piece shit was) made the Gulf of Tonkin story up
Bush's claims of WMDs was bullshit, BTW 250,000 non combatants have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
But now we are supposed to believe Netanyahu, really? I guess that does make you a Kool Aid drinking liberal?
There is no real freedom as long as those who desire to take away our freedom are free to do so.
"Those who desire" would be federal, state, and local governments?
Name one freedom taken away by a foreign country or group.
Too bad you are totally blissfully unaware where the idea of freedom is obedience (it's a theme not a direct quote) comes from. Let's try some direct quotes instead.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
They have been saying that literally for 100 years.
They have been saying that since the founding of the republic.
Ben Franklin “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.†â€Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.â€
Y
2015 Apr 14, 9:21am
bush/clinton will double the military budget in 2017....we just have to survive until then...
at this point it's a forgone conclusion that we will have to nuclear-equip the Saudis to counter iran....
with the crazies over there nuked up this is all going to have a bad ending..
Strategist
2015 Apr 14, 9:51am
Name one freedom taken away by a foreign country or group.
The right to burn a Koran in public.
"Those who desire" would be federal, state, and local governments?
This belief is the problem. It's not us the people, vs them the government. It's our government handpicked by us, the people. Don't like the politicians? vote for someone else.
Strategist
2015 Apr 14, 9:53am
bush/clinton will double the military budget in 2017....we just have to survive until then...
at this point it's a forgone conclusion that we will have to nuclear-equip the Saudis to counter iran....
with the crazies over there nuked up this is all going to have a bad ending..
Have you notice....every time we have a Democrat as a President, trouble starts erupting across the world.
Name one freedom taken away by a foreign country or group.
The right to burn a Koran in public.
You can burn as many korans in public as you want. Heat your house with them if you want. You're just a pussy which is why you are a neocon.
Have you notice....every time we have a Democrat as a President, trouble starts erupting across the world.
Like starting wars in iraq and afganastan?
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 11:21am
Don't like the politicians? vote for someone else.
2 sides of the same coin, maybe not with Rand Paul, BTW he recently changed his disposition on Iran to one similiar to the Libertarians
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 11:22am
Have you notice....every time we have a Democrat as a President, trouble starts erupting across the world.
Coincidence?
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 11:23am
bush/clinton will double the military budget in 2017....we just have to survive until then...
at this point it's a forgone conclusion that we will have to nuclear-equip the Saudis to counter iran....
with the crazies over there nuked up this is all going to have a bad ending..
Those weapons in your video were defensive weapons
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Apr 14, 3:40pm
The right to burn a Koran in public.
Try it. You won't get arrested, you might get a fine or a write up for burning things without a permit or during a drought or something.
You'd get the same fine if you burned leaves or copies of Barbara Streisand biographies.
The latter of which IS an existential threat.
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 3:48pm
The latter of which IS an existential threat.
How so? The Jews will guilt you to death?
The right to burn a Koran in public.
Try it. You won't get arrested, you might get a fine or a write up for burning things without a permit or during a drought or something.
What foreign government or group made this happen? We are back to "Those who desire" to take away freedom being federal, state, and local governments
Strategist
2015 Apr 14, 7:50pm
The right to burn a Koran in public.
You can burn as many korans in public as you want. Heat your house with them if you want. You're just a pussy which is why you are a neocon.
The right to burn a Koran in public.
Try it. You won't get arrested, you might get a fine or a write up for burning things without a permit or during a drought or something.
You'd get the same fine if you burned leaves or copies of Barbara Streisand biographies.
The latter of which IS an existential threat.
Hell no, are you guys out of your minds. The government prevented that Westboro Church or what's it's name, in Florida from burning the Koran.
Besides, our government may let me, but the fucking Islamists are gonna come after me and kill me.
The Islamists have more power than our government, in our own country. We have lost our freedoms, and I blame the Islamists and the libruls who who apologize for them.
I'm sad.
Strategist
2015 Apr 14, 7:55pm
Have you notice....every time we have a Democrat as a President, trouble starts erupting across the world.
Coincidence?
I remember an old quote:
"Once is a happening, twice is a coincidence, and thrice is enemy action"
MisdemeanorRebel
2015 Apr 14, 8:54pm
How so? The Jews will guilt you to death?
If you like Nasally Voices... Barbara Streissand to my ears is like garlic to a vampire. It Burns!
I also can't stand Woody Allen, he's more pathetic than funny.
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 10:19pm
I remember an old quote:
"Once is a happening, twice is a coincidence, and thrice is enemy action"
So you agree there is no such thing as coincidence
indigenous
2015 Apr 14, 10:20pm
If you like Nasally Voices... Barbara Streissand to my ears is like garlic to a vampire. It Burns!
I also can't stand Woody Allen, he's more pathetic than funny.
I like lots of jews except my JAP sister in law.
What about the Boss or Adam Sandler? Admittedly the JAPs are hard to tolerate.
Hell no, are you guys out of your minds. The government prevented that Westboro Church or what's it's name, in Florida from burning the Koran.
Besides, our government may let me, but the fucking Islamists are gonna come after me and kill me
No one stopped westboro church (in kansas). The pastor decided not to but the members did anyway. Try for facts once and a while.
You're afraid of the islamists? That's why you are a neocon pussy. I'm always amazed at what ferocious warriors neocons are as long as other people are in danger. You've taken your own freedom away which is why you don't deserve it in the first place. Ben Franklin hit it right on.
Name one freedom that wasn't taken away by our own government. Uh Oh, the boogyman is out there, please protect me.
Admittedly the JAPs are hard to tolerate.
JAP's are great, if you are goyim. They'll do the sexual olympics with the goyim boy toys (guilty) while waiting for the doctor/lawyer jewish dream boy to come along. Foreplay for that poor sap is 2 hours of begging.
JAP's are great
I'll take your word for it, seems to me they are all yentas.
Only if you listen to them. Just nod and grunt once in a while and totally tune them out. Works with my mother and she's wasp. Alternative plan keep something in their mouth as much as possible.
indigenous
2015 Apr 15, 5:14am
Only if you listen to them. Just nod and grunt once in a while and totally tune them out. Works with my mother and she's wasp. Alternative plan keep something in their mouth as much as possible.
Does seem to ring true with their spouses...
According to Tom Colton, "Americans don't mind wars as long as we win" I really believe that the Bat Sh*T crazy Neocon types get off on war and America "kicking some ass". As long as they and their kids don't have to go fight it and they cash in on the profit gravy train.
Every empire reaches a point of believing their own hubris.....Outcomes are never good.
Colton and co. should support a return of the draft, no exemptions and a "war tax" of some type. Let's see how that flies/
indigenous
2015 Apr 15, 6:20am
no exemptions and a "war tax" of some type.
That is called inflation, ever war there is a blip in inflation, that is the main purpose of the Fed
The war thing has been going on so long that it is in America's DNA, maybe like Britain? BTW check out the hubris on the Brits...
If Israel has nuclear weapons,we need to wipe them out. Countries with nuclear weapons are a threat to the region. Non-Christian Jews are BLASPHEMERS! They need a one way ticket to hell,now. They won't be missed in Heaven.
Rep/Con/Tea Evangelicals & blaspheme supporters argue with the Bible.
I should not have this much fun.
Peace Must Be Stopped At Any Cost; Lies and Hypocrisy on Iran
Posted: 13 Apr 2015 08:05 PM PDT
The Republican attack dogs were all over Rand Paul when made the statement "I'm going to keep an open mind" on Obama's deal with Iran.
"I do believe that negotiation is better than war," Paul told TODAY's Savannah Guthrie in an exclusive interview.
War proponents will settle for nothing less than war. Ironically, they conclude an attack video on Rand Paul with a nuclear explosion mushroom cloud.
Glee Over Alleged Failure
Republican neocons do not trust Obama, Iran, or for that matter anything but war and CIA overthrows in spite of its miserable war failures in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and in spite of a horrendous overthrow record in Iran, Ukraine and other places.
The neocons were gleeful when the New York Times announced Iran's Supreme Leader Says Sanctions Must Lift When Nuclear Deal Is Signed.
Few bothered to read the second paragraph of the Times article which stated ...
"The assertions by the leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, could be tactical, intended to give both the negotiators and himself some political space to get Iran's hard-liners accustomed to the framework of the nuclear deal reached a week ago with the United States and other world powers."
Lies and Hypocrisy
Republicans in general make two conflicting statements.
Iran cannot be trusted at all
They can make a better deal
Say what?
I ask a simple question: How can you make a better deal, if you will not believe any deal you get?
Curiously, I have not seen any person or news agency point out this obvious and blatant hypocrisy of the Republican position.
Yet, I can easily explain their position: The Republican war hawks, like Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, do not want a deal, period.
This is not about waiting until 2016 for a "better" deal, this is about killing any chance of a deal for good, right here, right now.
As Scott Walker said, I'll blow up any Iran deal, no matter what our European allies think.
In regards to his stance on public unions, I have had nothing but praise for Walker. But with his statement on Iran, he proves he belongs in the State House not the White House.
Perpetual War
In the 2003 article War Without End, the New Yorker sums it up nicely in a single paragraph.
There is little doubt that some of the most hawkish ideologues in and around the Bush Administration entertain dreams of a kind of endless war. James Woolsey, a former director of Central Intelligence who has been proposed as a Minister of Information in Iraq by Donald Rumsfeld, forecasts a Fourth World War (the third, of course, having been the Cold War), which will last “considerably longer” than either of the first two. One senior British official dryly told Newsweek before the invasion, “Everyone wants to go to Baghdad. Real men want to go to Tehran.” And then, presumably, to Damascus, Beirut, Khartoum, Sanaa, Pyongyang. Richard Perle, one of the most influential advisers to the Pentagon, told an audience not long ago that, with a successful invasion of Iraq, “we could deliver a short message, a two-word message: ‘You're next.'”
Friends and Enemies
Several "small" things seemingly went wrong with the "you're next" thesis.
Iraq was a miserable failure.
Afghanistan was a miserable failure.
Iraq fomented the rise of ISIS.
It's quite ironic that out hated enemy Iran is on our side against ISIS while our alleged ally Saudi Arabia funnels money to them.
Of course, if the goal is perpetual war, it makes perfect sense to make friends of enemies and enemies of friends.
Neocon Terms Explained
Negotiation: Do what we say or we will blow you up
Weak on Defense: Weak on Offense
War is last option: War is first option
Balanced Budget: A balanced budget requires at least two conditions. Condition one: The US spends more on the military than the entire rest of the world combined. Condition two: The US spends more on military than healthcare. Both conditions are necessary, and I suspect I have missed many conditions.
WOMDs: Scuds, unusable chemicals buried in the desert, and virtually anything real or imagined, including paper air planes and pea shooters.
Peace Keepers: US drones, phosphorous bombs, nukes, cruise missiles, tanks, warthogs, etc. If the US has them, they are classified as peace keepers. If anyone else has them they are by default WOMDs.
Threat: Every person on the planet. This explains the need to spy on everyone in the world including allies such as Angela Merkel.
Terrorist Suspect: Anyone who disagrees with Dick Cheney
Peace is the Goal: Perpetual war is the goal
History Lessons
In History Lesson for Hypocrites, Warmongers, and Fools I mentioned reader Michael who called me "Neville" ...
I made my response. Please click on the above link to read it.
Since then, reader Michael responded with a bunch of often repeated hype about Hitler and Iran's intent to destroy Israel culminating with "If you don't believe Iran's ultimate goal is a worldwide caliphate, I've got a slightly used Soyuz rocket to sell you. This deal with Obama is one small step in the right direction as far as Iran is concerned, and you and your pacifists-with-blinders-on buddies are helping guide the way."
It is futile communicating with those whose minds are totally closed, especially those who are 100% clueless about history so I stopped.
Conversations like these go nowhere. Michael cannot see, nor will he ever see that there cannot possibly be peace with his position.
One side or the other will annihilate the other. All Michael wants is insurance his side will come out on top. This is what it is all about.
Iran Never Threatened to Wipe Israel Off the Map
Here's one more irony in the blatant ignorance of reader Michael.
Fairness in Accuracy and Reporting says due to Translation Errors Iran never threatened to wipe Israel off the map.
The menacing threat has been repeated endlessly in U.S. corporate media in recent years: Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.” “Iran,” “Israel” and “wipe” in one form or another occur together in more than 17,000 articles in the Nexis news database over the last seven years. It plays a critical role in the case for preemptive war against Iran. There's just one problem: It never happened.
Rather than excerpt the article further as I normally do, I suggest you read the article in entirety. It is well researched, and well documented. The article cites CNN, the New York Times, Juan Cole, Counter Punch, and remarkably even the CIA.
Buy hey, the war at all costs brigade will settle for nothing other than perpetual war. Reader Michael, the warmongers, and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu are all in on the act.
When perpetual war is the goal (and it is), peace must be stopped at any cost.
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