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Shaman
2015 May 28, 1:26pm
Shaman
2015 May 28, 1:26pm
"Thia will likely cause house prices to retreat to 1960s prices"
Who is this "Thia" and how will she manage that?
Hah! Autocorrect is so dumb. Iphone, right?
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Blurtman
2015 May 28, 4:47pm
Tapped out on the HELOC? Try the car equity line of credit (CELOC). Tapped out on the CELOC? Try the donor organ line of credit (DOLOC). Last, there is always the OELOC, the offspring enslavement line of credit. Ain't finance great!
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anonymous
2019 Mar 12, 6:40am
Demand for HELOCs Collapses to 15-Year Low
American homeowners have learned a lesson, despite what banks and the Fed want them to do.
When you google “HELOC” the first batch of entries that come up are ads trying to get you to take out a HELOC. The most aggressive advertisers that outbid all others in my sample of one were: Lending Tree, the “home equity” division of J.P. Morgan Chase, and Quicken Loans. Then it’s lender after lender offering enticing terms. It’s not like HELOCs – home equity lines of credit – are playing hard to get or anything. But demand has collapsed.
At the end of February, outstanding HELOC balances at all commercial banks in the US fell to $346 billion, according to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. They’re down 43% from the peak in April 2009 – and now back where they’d been in July 2004 on the way up. This marks a decline that has now lasted 10 years:
These balances are not adjusted for inflation – neither for consumer price inflation nor for rampant home price inflation, which makes this trend that much more astounding. That was a bubble that burst in 2009. And the Fed was never able to reflate it – despite record low interest rates, and in many markets record home prices.
Housing-related debt peaked in Q3 2008 at $10 trillion. HELOC balances were 6.1% of the total. Housing debt in Q4 2018 stood at $9.5 trillion. HELOC balances were down to 3.6% of the total.
From 2002 till the peak in April 2009, HELOC balances had soared by nearly 300%. It was a bubble whose time had come. Homeowners were using their homes, whose prices were soaring, as ATMs. This money was plowed back into the economy in form of consumption, or was used as down-payment for rental properties, or was invested in the latest story stock.
The housing-and-mortgage crisis annihilated those dreams of the endless ATM. And it seems, Americans learned a lesson – a lesson that neither lenders nor the Fed appreciate. The lenders make money off HELOCs, and so they push them. And the Fed wants consumers to borrow against their homes and spend this money, according to William Dudley, when he, at the time still president of the New York Fed, was lamenting this “evolving consumer behavior.”
The chart below shows the furious HELOC bubble and the subsequent decade-long decline in terms of year-over-year percentage changes in the balances. It is interesting how in 2006, growth halted, and then came a final spurt in 2008 and 2009, perhaps as homeowners who’d lost their jobs were using their HELOCs to fund their mortgage payments and expenses, until the banks put a stop to it:
During the mortgage crisis, Americans have learned in invaluable lesson: Credit card debt is unsecured, and the lender can sue the borrower and get a judgement and can try to collect before the borrower files for bankruptcy protection; so wish the lender good luck! But a home equity line of credit is a loan secured by a home, and the lender doesn’t have to sue the borrower to collect, but can foreclose on the home.
HELOCs carry lower interest rates than unsecured credit, such as credit cards, payday loans, or personal lines of credit. They’re a legitimate, and in some cases a smart way to borrow. But there’s a big risk: the homeowner puts the house on the line.
How Americans have abused HELOCs as ATMs before the mortgage crisis, and how demand for HELOCs has since then collapsed — despite all efforts by the Fed to stimulate this sort of borrowing that leads to consumption — is one of the more interesting long-term shifts in consumer behavior to come out of the crisis.
https://wolfstreet.com/2019/03/11/demand-for-helocs-collapses-to-15-year-low/
American homeowners have learned a lesson, despite what banks and the Fed want them to do.
When you google “HELOC” the first batch of entries that come up are ads trying to get you to take out a HELOC. The most aggressive advertisers that outbid all others in my sample of one were: Lending Tree, the “home equity” division of J.P. Morgan Chase, and Quicken Loans. Then it’s lender after lender offering enticing terms. It’s not like HELOCs – home equity lines of credit – are playing hard to get or anything. But demand has collapsed.
At the end of February, outstanding HELOC balances at all commercial banks in the US fell to $346 billion, according to the Federal Reserve Board of Governors. They’re down 43% from the peak in April 2009 – and now back where they’d been in July 2004 on the way up. This marks a decline that has now lasted 10 years:
These balances are not adjusted for inflation – neither for consumer price inflation nor for rampant home price inflation, which makes this trend that much more astounding. That was a bubble that burst in 2009. And the Fed was never able to reflate it – despite record low interest rates, and in many markets record home prices.
Housing-related debt peaked in Q3 2008 at $10 trillion. HELOC balances were 6.1% of the total. Housing debt in Q4 2018 stood at $9.5 trillion. HELOC balances were down to 3.6% of the total.
From 2002 till the peak in April 2009, HELOC balances had soared by nearly 300%. It was a bubble whose time had come. Homeowners were using their homes, whose prices were soaring, as ATMs. This money was plowed back into the economy in form of consumption, or was used as down-payment for rental properties, or was invested in the latest story stock.
The housing-and-mortgage crisis annihilated those dreams of the endless ATM. And it seems, Americans learned a lesson – a lesson that neither lenders nor the Fed appreciate. The lenders make money off HELOCs, and so they push them. And the Fed wants consumers to borrow against their homes and spend this money, according to William Dudley, when he, at the time still president of the New York Fed, was lamenting this “evolving consumer behavior.”
The chart below shows the furious HELOC bubble and the subsequent decade-long decline in terms of year-over-year percentage changes in the balances. It is interesting how in 2006, growth halted, and then came a final spurt in 2008 and 2009, perhaps as homeowners who’d lost their jobs were using their HELOCs to fund their mortgage payments and expenses, until the banks put a stop to it:
During the mortgage crisis, Americans have learned in invaluable lesson: Credit card debt is unsecured, and the lender can sue the borrower and get a judgement and can try to collect before the borrower files for bankruptcy protection; so wish the lender good luck! But a home equity line of credit is a loan secured by a home, and the lender doesn’t have to sue the borrower to collect, but can foreclose on the home.
HELOCs carry lower interest rates than unsecured credit, such as credit cards, payday loans, or personal lines of credit. They’re a legitimate, and in some cases a smart way to borrow. But there’s a big risk: the homeowner puts the house on the line.
How Americans have abused HELOCs as ATMs before the mortgage crisis, and how demand for HELOCs has since then collapsed — despite all efforts by the Fed to stimulate this sort of borrowing that leads to consumption — is one of the more interesting long-term shifts in consumer behavior to come out of the crisis.
https://wolfstreet.com/2019/03/11/demand-for-helocs-collapses-to-15-year-low/
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zzyzzx
2023 Mar 28, 11:18am
zzyzzx
2023 Mar 28, 11:18am
https://www.reddit.com/r/debtfree/comments/12360z4/how_do_you_get_out_of_heloc_debt/
How do you get out of HELOC debt?
I took out a HELOC loan prior to the Fed interest rate hike in order to pay off debt & to increase our home's value with upgrades. Our HELOC loan is now becoming unmanageable with these increases, payment went from $300 a month to $700. We have excellent credit. The interest rate on house is only 3.25%/balance $193k so we chose not to do a cash out refi in order to preserve that rate. The HELOC rate is almost at 9% adj rate now, we owe $87k! I feel stuck, stupid & can't find a way out without cashing out everything we have in order to pay it down since we don't have enough to pay it off.
How do you get out of HELOC debt?
I took out a HELOC loan prior to the Fed interest rate hike in order to pay off debt & to increase our home's value with upgrades. Our HELOC loan is now becoming unmanageable with these increases, payment went from $300 a month to $700. We have excellent credit. The interest rate on house is only 3.25%/balance $193k so we chose not to do a cash out refi in order to preserve that rate. The HELOC rate is almost at 9% adj rate now, we owe $87k! I feel stuck, stupid & can't find a way out without cashing out everything we have in order to pay it down since we don't have enough to pay it off.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Mar 28, 12:51pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Mar 28, 12:51pm
Jesus Christ! Why didn't they just hunker down and slam that $193K down at 3.25%? If they double their mortgage payment which was probably around $1500 a month with taxes and ins, that's if they are in SoFla. $3K a month would evaporate that mortgage in less than 5 years. The more they paid it down, the more that first $1500 would go to paydown principle.
Then in 5 years they would have had that $3k a month do with as they saw fit.
It's as if my house is now paying me $3K a month. More like $5K if you think about it. The going rent on a 4 bedroom house with a 9K sqft yard, is going for well over 4500 a month. That's money my house is paying me because I don't have to spend it.
Then in 5 years they would have had that $3k a month do with as they saw fit.
It's as if my house is now paying me $3K a month. More like $5K if you think about it. The going rent on a 4 bedroom house with a 9K sqft yard, is going for well over 4500 a month. That's money my house is paying me because I don't have to spend it.
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zzyzzx
2023 Apr 6, 9:20am
zzyzzx
2023 Apr 6, 9:20am
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/12d3msn/heloc_help_esp_with_650700_scores/
HELOC help esp with 650-700 scores
Hi - so I need some inside info. I have a credit score between 660-700 ish. Has anyone done a HELOC and who did you use, etc. Just give me some experiences.
I have about 70k of debt I need to pay off and think this is my best option right now.
HELOC help esp with 650-700 scores
Hi - so I need some inside info. I have a credit score between 660-700 ish. Has anyone done a HELOC and who did you use, etc. Just give me some experiences.
I have about 70k of debt I need to pay off and think this is my best option right now.
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mell
2023 Apr 6, 12:29pm
zzyzzx says
Got an offer the other day for 3.89% for 70k. Seemed to good to be true, arbitrage potential. Maybe it had horrid fees.
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/12d3msn/heloc_help_esp_with_650700_scores/
HELOC help esp with 650-700 scores
Hi - so I need some inside info. I have a credit score between 660-700 ish. Has anyone done a HELOC and who did you use, etc. Just give me some experiences.
I have about 70k of debt I need to pay off and think this is my best option right now.
Got an offer the other day for 3.89% for 70k. Seemed to good to be true, arbitrage potential. Maybe it had horrid fees.
http://www.centralvalleybusinesstimes.com/stories/001/?ID=28422