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Zimbabwe to U.S.: Extradite dentist over killing of Cecil the lion
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2015 Jul 31, 7:35am 26,881 views 58 comments
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Strategist
2015 Jul 31, 9:53am
If you look at history, hunters were the ones who pushed most ofr conservation. if you kill everything quickly, then there will be no hunting. They were the early environmentalists who understood the eco-system better than most and knew the ideal strength so that animals cold replenish thmeslves and still be hunted. What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????
Now we certainly need to limit hunting and that system works very well in the uS, with permits and such -deer haven't gone extinct have they??
Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 9:59am
Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?
Your whole outrage is about wild animals. YOu called for someone to hunt the dentist down and break his teeth. Others have called for far worse and have picketed his offices, have a memorial for the lion etc etc.
So let me ask you this, since you are asking about domestic animals, then obviously you would want the same outrage over any person in the world who eats meat or wears leather shoes or uses any animal products. YOu would want them to be hunted down and have all their teeth knocked out .
Strategist
2015 Jul 31, 10:20am
Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?
Your whole outrage is about wild animals. YOu called for someone to hunt the dentist down and break his teeth. Others have called for far worse and have picketed his offices, have a memorial for the lion etc etc.
So let me ask you this, since you are asking about domestic animals, then obviously you would want the same outrage over any person in the world who eats meat or wears leather shoes or uses any animal products. YOu would want them to be hunted down and have all their teeth knocked out .
No, I don't. At the same time I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.
The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe.
Y
2015 Jul 31, 10:29am
then you should be for nuking iran before they nuke us...
They live and die by their own code and that si what I like-the rawness,
Y
2015 Jul 31, 10:33am
You answered your own question...
What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????
Animals and us are not that far apart. Except we evolved away from that and have learnt to bend the environments around us.
Y
2015 Jul 31, 10:42am
People who hunt for sport just have the desire to kill something.
They should be automatically drafted into the military and forced into the cannon fodder positions...
It's a win win...
The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe.
Y
2015 Jul 31, 10:43am
+1
I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.
RWSGFY
2015 Jul 31, 10:50am
Surprisingly, US does have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe. Who would have thought.
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 11:02am
No, I don't. At the same time I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.
The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe
No it will be outlawed by the leftists who have become too civilized. Then the barbarains will take over and become too civilized and the cycle repeats again. You would make a great sports hunter with so much anger, rage and righteous indignation bubbling below the surface. That is part of all of us-raw emotion.
You cut the head of a chicken, you can cut the head off a lion.
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 11:04am
People who hunt for sport just have the desire to kill something
People who hunt for sport just are in tune with nature. Unlike the fat slobs who buy from factory farmed animals. At least they can do their own killing, instead of eating a burger from something that some one killed and then being outraged over some thing they saw on TV.
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 11:06am
You answered your own question...
What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????
Animals and us are not that far apart. Except we evolved away from that and have learnt to bend the environments around us.
Nope. We evolved away from that to become the super predator. WE are still in the cycle of life-but we control most aspects. WE are higher than a lion in the food chain.
It takes an unbelievable level of psychopathic tendencies to pay 50Gs to kill the lion. Some people do things simply because they can, that's how they derive power to feed their primitive beast inside. I would show him to mercy and mete out appropriate punishment to him - I would feed him to the lions and make it a public spectacle and enjoy the whole thing with 5 shots of Russian Standard.
MAGA
2015 Jul 31, 12:13pm
How about all these In-N-Out people? Think about all the cows that are no longer with us.
How about all these In-N-Out people? Think about all the cows that are no longer with us
The underlying motivation is completely different so the attempt at moral equivalency breaks down.
MAGA
2015 Jul 31, 12:22pm
The underlying motivation is completely different so the attempt at moral equivalency breaks down.
A former girlfriend of mine would disagree. She thinks eating meat is murder. Dairy products are not much better.
PETA and Vegan.
:-/
Strawman says: Surprisingly, US does have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe. Who would have thought.
Well, they do use our money. One of the few countries you can go to and not have to trade US dollars for the local currency.
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2015 Jul 31, 1:20pm
I give money every year to the WWF, to fund conservation efforts, because I care about conservation of habitat and species. I don't give money to PETA. Those are different orgs with different agendas.
The issues of killing lions and raising farm animals are very different. Species scarcity is an ecological and conservation issue. Raising farm animals for meat is an ethical issue with other ecological impacts. So there is no inconsistency to care about one issue and not the other.
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 1:31pm
I would feed him to the lions and make it a public spectacle and enjoy the whole thing with 5 shots of Russian Standard.
It takes an unbelievable level of psychopathic tendencies to
It is amazing how they don't see themselves.
HydroCabron
2015 Jul 31, 1:37pm
Unlike the fat slobs who buy from factory farmed animals.
If you squint real hard at these photos, you can see the bulk and definition that come from long training workouts and the grueling fitness regimen necessary for optimum performance in sport hunting.
It is amazing how they don't see themselves.
That's the argument that's used by death penalty opponents to justify sparing murderers because if we don't we will be just like them. The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could. This personality profile is consistent with rampaging dictators like hitler and stalin. These people need to be dealt with severely to restore a balance in the world that they themselves destroyed with their heinous misdeeds.
lostand confused
2015 Jul 31, 2:26pm
That's the argument that's used by death penalty opponents to justify sparing murderers because if we don't we will be just like them
You are being ridiculous-typical animal rights activist-equating animal with human. Somebody shot a lion-oh how horrible. Oh yeah, lets catch him,. torture him and make him die a miserable death-oh look how holy and exalted I am . That meme has been done since the witchcraft trial days. it is why I like animals-they are so honest in life and death. Unlike humans who are so convioluted.dublin hillz says
The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could.
Yeah so? How is a lion innocent-what does that even mean in a wild animal concept???/dublin hillz says
These people need to be dealt with severely to restore a balance in the world that they themselves destroyed with their heinous misdeeds.This personality profile is consistent with rampaging dictators like hitler and stalin
Nah the last quote describes your profile correctly. It shows the depths of your murderous feelings towards your fellow men for some perceived injustice. That is what allows Hitler/Stalin to conduct their massacres-your attitude of being absolutely right in your position and willing to kill for it-a psychopath if ever there was any.
Y
2015 Jul 31, 4:31pm
There is no 'sport' in using a gun to shoot anything alive.
Use the hands you were born with, or don't kill at all.
Anything else is just demonstrating your cowardice.
You are being ridiculous-typical animal rights activist-equating animal with human.
What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step. This sort of mindset is extremely dangerous and needs to be addressed immediately and with efficiency to punish the transgressor.
Strategist
2015 Jul 31, 10:08pm
The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could.
Yeah so? How is a lion innocent-what does that even mean in a wild animal concept???
What did the lion do to that asshole? He killed for pleasure and nothing else.
Anyone who gets a thrill by killing is a psycho.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 5:12am
What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step. This sort of mindset is extremely dangerous and needs to be addressed immediately and with efficiency to punish the transgressor
What you are not acknowledging is that it is you who are calling for public murder ,making it a spectacle with people watching, while you drink to his torturous death-all over some animal half a world away. It is not his kind one needs to be worried-Theodore Roosevelt was a great hunter and spent months in Africa on a hunting safari-but your kind. Your kind is there throughout history, always pretending to be righteous , yet with hate, anger and raw emotions bubbling beneath the surface and when an opportunity presents itself where the public agrees-wether that be witches or now hunters-you folks are ready to kill, mass murder and enjoy the savagery of butchering your fellow men.
I mean I know you are high on your self righteousness, but really who is more dangerous-a man who hunts animals or a man who calls for the torture and death of your fellow men-making it a spectacle and drinking to it. YOu are calling for something even more brutal than sport hunting of humans. I am sure the witch burners would have been bathed in their righteousness as they burned witches at the stake and enjoyed the sight of murdering humans-just like you are calling for.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 5:16am
What did the lion do to that asshole? He killed for pleasure and nothing else.
Anyone who gets a thrill by killing is a psycho
The lion did not do anything-the same for meat animals who never do anything to their handlers. Wether it is hunted for meat or sport-to the animal death is the outcome-makes no difference to the animal. Well the wild ones actually lived a life, unlike factory farmed critters. I am sure you think Lion king is real? it is an animal that has killed thousands of animals and met its death as it lived its life-in the hands of another hunter. Brutal savage life taken by another brutal, savage being-what more can you ask for?? Hunting has been around for ever and it will be-thankfully other countries are not as dumb as the western ones and thankfully in the United states there are states like TX and others where this activity will thrive.
Get off your soapbox-innocent animal-what's next animals will have to follow human mating habits, have gender roles reassigned. Life is savage, we are born, we don't know how long we will live and one day we will be dead-gone for ever. Humans have sanitized this and tried to make a story that lets us live as far away from nature as possible. Wild animals live in that raw world-every time they go take a drink of water they risk their lives, everytime they sleep, they risk of their lives, everytime they put their head down to graze, they risk their lives-death is the only constant , perpetually stalking them, ripping and eating their young and old in front of them. Some humans wish to partake of that world and reconnect with nature-not the Disney world created by man-good for them
Y
2015 Aug 1, 5:22am
1:10
https://www.youtube.com/embed/IlbP18PmCj8
What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step.
What you are not acknowledging is that it is you who are calling for public murder ,making it a spectacle with people watching, while you drink to his torturous death-all over some animal half a world away.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 5:27am
Figures, some stupid Hollywood movie gives you so much meaning and context.
Y
2015 Aug 1, 5:31am
why don't you just go grab your gun and shoot a gerbil? It apparently will make you feel better about yourself...
Figures, some stupid Hollywood movie gives you so much meaning and context.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 5:36am
why don't you just go grab your gun and shoot a gerbil? It apparently will make you feel better about yourself...
Nope. I don't need to shoot anything to feel better about myself. Pretty happy and content in my skin. You and your kind need to find something to feel so self righteous and caught up in some bigger issue to make yourself feel bigger than the tiny human self.perhaps you should try hunting or some other avenue to experience nature in the raw and how insignificant we really are in the grand scheme of things. or maybe just go get high or drunk??
Y
2015 Aug 1, 5:46am
you are completely off base.
some people just appreciate life in all it's forms. Nothing self-righteous about that.
I have no problem knocking off something that is physically threatening you, or if you are starving and need food.
If, however, you have the urge to beat your chest by killing something that is not an immediate threat to you, better that you go take an executive position at Planned Parenthood...
You and your kind need to find something to feel so self righteous
Y
2015 Aug 1, 5:52am
Do you have any pets?
you should try hunting or some other avenue to experience nature in the raw
Strategist
2015 Aug 1, 8:26am
The lion did not do anything-the same for meat animals who never do anything to their handlers. Wether it is hunted for meat or sport-to the animal death is the outcome-makes no difference to the animal. Well the wild ones actually lived a life, unlike factory farmed critters. I am sure you think Lion king is real? it is an animal that has killed thousands of animals and met its death as it lived its life-in the hands of another hunter. Brutal savage life taken by another brutal, savage being-what more can you ask for?? Hunting has been around for ever and it will be-thankfully other countries are not as dumb as the western ones and thankfully in the United states there are states like TX and others where this activity will thrive.
Aren't you really equating animals to humans here?
You have not given a single convincing excuse to justify humans killing for sport or thrills. Hunting for thrills is cruel and unnecessary. Opposition to this madness grows everyday, and it's just a matter of time before hunting is completely outlawed. In the end, there is no stopping the will of the people.
Strategist
2015 Aug 1, 8:36am
you should try hunting or some other avenue to experience nature in the raw
Hunting with guns and technology is experiencing "nature in the raw" ??? Try doing it like the cave men did for a true experience.
Those huge fat slobs in the pictures above, that proudly display their hunting skills are not capable of moving 10 feet on their own legs. I wish the lions had gotten them first. A whole pride could be fed for a whole month with the amount of body mass they carry around.
True animal lover - Strategist.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 9:06am
You have not given a single convincing excuse to justify humans killing for sport or thrills.
There s no excuse needed. It just is. Only far leftie animal rights activists look for an excuse.Strategist says
Opposition to this madness grows everyday, and it's just a matter of time before hunting is completely outlawed
Maybe in CA-but thank God there are other places where sane people live.Strategist says
Hunting with guns and technology is experiencing "nature in the raw" ???
Yup-even an animal knows that. A lone lioness will never ever take on a healthy adult cape buffalo by itself. But a pride of lions will-even animals are sensible enough to only take on risk when their odds are better. Even they don't want to get injured in an "equal" fight. They know, they are smart and gauge risk
and will attack only when there is minimal risk. It is surprising that some humans seem to forget this and think that one must not have the upper hand while going into such situations. Even cave men were smarter-else they would not have survived. No wonder too civilized nations always have barbarians at the gate- too many people in the clouds oblivious to reality.
Oh my God, somebody killed an animal-lets kill him and have a celebration and they seem to think the one who killed the animal is the bad guy-sigh.
lostand confused
2015 Aug 1, 9:07am
I have no problem knocking off something that is physically threatening you, or if you are starving and need food.
To the animal it makes no difference-wether you killed it for sport or because you are starving-it is dead either way. the only difference is in your head-which is fine, but when you support people who call for his public execution-well what does that make you??
Y
2015 Aug 1, 2:39pm
it's irrelevant what the animal perceives...humans have evolved past the "raw" existence. What should matter to the supposed evolved species is unnecessary or sport killing.
It's a human to human concern. Of course, not all humans have evolved at the same rate.
To the animal it makes no difference-wether you killed it for sport or because you are starving-it is dead either way.
Y
2015 Aug 1, 2:40pm
who has called for his public execution?
but when you support people who call for his public execution-well what does that make you??
Tenpoundbass
2015 Aug 1, 3:22pm
There was a time when a White westerner could walk through the continent of Africa all the way to Lake Victoria shooting every thing in sight.
Books were written about them romanticizing them. Then people take literature classes and read about these guys exploits. Then when they get rich enough to live their childhood school dream of reliving the escapades of historical and literary adventurers, everyone is like "Boo feh fooey!".
If the rules is we shouldn't kill endangered wild life period then we shouldn't. It happens anyway because of conservation loopholes that says some animals have to be put down. That creates exploitable opportunities to legally kill endangered species that otherwise people should not be killing. I say leave the animals alone in the park and let Darwin sort it all out. It should be illegal to kill any wild life in any national park and for 100's miles within it's border. The only animals that should ever be killed would be maimed animals that may be suffering, and there's no scavenger or predator around to finish them off. Healthy animals should not be killed regardless the reason.
Now if those are the hard rules then the guy is guilty, but they aren't. And for all he knew he was on a legal hunt. He's a scumbag for even wanting to travel 3000 miles just to kill a lion, but there he is.
Africa should use this to change the laws on hunting African big game and outlaw it all outright. With domestic meat hunting exceptions especially for indigenous people that live on bush sustenance.
But they don't kill and eat Rhinos, Elephant, Lions and other non meat animals.
I think Africa's wildlife and other great animals around the world and like our Oceans and Tropical rain forests, are dwindling resources. Their resources weren't always unique to their geographic regions they are just all that has left, and they are disappearing.
Shark attacks are up so drastically I believe because the Oceans fish stock have dwindled so drastically. That is why sea life of all species are exhibiting strange behaviors. From sea mammals, to sharks to everything. A lot of mystery beaching and mass die offs. Our Forests are diminishing and being depleted more every week. This is what is wreaking havoc on the Earth's weather patterns, and causing severe drought in many regions. Most of Earths remaining wild life live in small isolated pockets and patches close to increasing encroaching civilization or indigenous peoples becoming more civilized that they start profitizing the natural resources they once respected and cherished.
If anyone in the world should get a guaranteed income, it should be these people who are living on the fringes of the last of the World's once abundant great resources.
They should be paid to conserve and compensated to NOT consume those resources. There's a grocery store down the street that has a cooler of frozen seafood in plastic bags. This freezer runs about 90 feet long and I'd say 90% of what is in it, has never sold and never will. I would bet most of the over priced fish they have in the fresh case, ends up repackaged and in that freezer case. Now obviously they're over buying cheap and rigging the prices keeping them inflated so that just a few sales bring them more money than if they sold most or all. This has been our grocery store's business model in this country for way too long now. They throwing away more food than they sell, but rather than letting market prices dictate what those items should sell for they are just throwing it away. We're clear cutting forests, scorching earth and strip farming the Earths climate making forests, and for what? A few extra dollars on Asparagus? In the meantime we're developing the world's most fertile and productive farming lands throughout the United States and the World to build posh landscaped housing developments. and Nobody says a word man...
How in the hell did Cecil get so Facebook savvy?
The world could use more of that.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/index.html
(CNN)As outrage grows over the killing of Cecil the lion, Zimbabwe has called on the United States to extradite the American dentist who shot the prized big cat this month.
Zimbabwe has started extradition proceedings and hopes the U.S. will cooperate, said Oppah Muchinguri, the African nation's environment minister.