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The Parsis are really interesting to me as the endpoint of this kind of evolution. Jews are about 1.8% of the US and I think they get about 1/3 of the seats in Ivy League schools and own about 1/3 of US wealth.

But Parsis are only 0.01% (1% of 1%) of India, and yet they somehow own about 1/3 of the wealth of India. They are even more exclusive than Jews, in that you can never convert, while Jews allow conversion. And the child of a mixed marriage is never considered a Parsi, while the children of female Jews are automatically Jewish regardless of who the father is. You can go into a synagogue to visit, no problem, but you can never go into a Parsi fire temple unless you are a Parsi.

Parsis are also reputed to be very smart. The thing I can't figure out is why they never get persecuted, or how they stick together so well without persecution.

Patrick says

The Parsis are really interesting to me as the endpoint of this kind of evolution. Jews are about 1.8% of the US and I think they get about 1/3 of the seats in Ivy League schools and own about 1/3 of US wealth.

But Parsis are only 0.01% (1% of 1%) of India, and yet they somehow own about 1/3 of the wealth of India. They are even more exclusive than Jews, in that you can never convert, while Jews allow conversion. And the child of a mixed marriage is never considered a Parsi, while the children of female Jews are automatically Jewish regardless of who the father is. You can go into a synagogue to visit, no problem, but you can never go into a Parsi fire temple unless you are a Parsi.

Parsis are also reputed to be very smart. The thing I can't figure out is why they never get persecuted, or how they stick together so well without persecution.

Why would Parsis get persecuted in India? There is no reason to persecute them. They live and let live. In fact, Indians hold them in high esteem. Same with the Jewish community in Mumbai.

gabbar says

Why would Parsis get persecuted in India?

Just because it's part of the pattern with all other endogamous mercantile ethnic groups.

I'm not saying the Parsis have done anything to deserve it (unless you count being very rich in a poor country). Just saying it doesn't fit the pattern with other such groups: Jews, Armenians, all the Christian minorities of the Middle East, Chinese in Malaysia, Lebanese in West Africa, Indians in Uganda...

One could argue that the Parsis were persecuted by the Muslims of Persia, which is why they left to begin with, but that was about 1000 years ago. Maybe the memory of that serves to keep them together, along with having a distinct religion.

Maybe India is just a more tolerant place in general, aside from the friction between Muslims and all others.

Lol!

Booger says

sounds about right…

Patrick says

Maybe India is just a more tolerant place in general, aside from the friction between Muslims and all others.

I hear you. I doubt that there is there is a more tolerant country than India on this planet. Who likes Muslims except some nutty liberals and there are some in every country including India. Trump temporarily banning visitors from Muslims countries was one of the most patriotic acts undertaken by a US President. China set a fantastic example for other countries through the methods they used to squash Uighur Muslim shenanigans. You won't hear any other country make any squeaking protests about it.

gabbar says

the methods they used to squash Uighur Muslim shenanigans

Somehow people in the West totally forgot that the Uighurs were stabbing random Han Chinese:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

An attack by knife-wielding men at a railway station in Kunming in south-west China has left at least 29 dead, the state news agency Xinhua says.

Another 130 people were wounded in what authorities said was a "premeditated, violent terrorist attack".

Patrick says

gabbar says

the methods they used to squash Uighur Muslim shenanigans

Somehow people in the West totally forgot that the Uighurs were stabbing random Han Chinese

Prosecute criminals, not groups that the criminals are members of.

If 1% of whatever your FAVORITE group is that you're a part of committed crimes, and you didn't participate and objected to it, would you think it's reasonable to persecute you for what they did?

This is why black criminals like George Floyd are lauded, to indict an entire ethnic group, although they had nothing to do with it. Most people have no idea that Chauvin was innocent, but the majority of people that do know it, are white. The whole fiasco was to increase racial tension.

Patrick says

omehow people in the West totally forgot that the Uighurs were stabbing random Han Chinese:

richwicks says

If 1% of whatever your FAVORITE group is that you're a part of committed crimes, and you didn't participate and objected to it, would you think it's reasonable to persecute you for what they did?

But if most Muslims believe in living like the fifth column in non-muslim countries, then its reasonable to persecute them in those non-muslim majority countries to protect the integrity of those non-muslim countries.

richwicks says

The whole fiasco was to increase racial tension.

Racial tension provides clarity to voters. Its manufactured by political parties and spread through traditional and social media. Now the goal is digital currency and centralized government. The next several years will reveal what their playbook contains. I expect several pain and social tension beginning in 2023 and picking up speed in 2024. If DeSantis wins, all hell will break loose.

gabbar says

But if most Muslims believe in living like the fifth column in non-muslim countries, then its reasonable to persecute them in those non-muslim majority countries to protect the integrity of those non-muslim countries.

This is a common problem when dealing with real terrorism, like the mass stabbings that were perpetrated by Uighurs.

Obviously not all Uighurs did it, and the ones that didn't have anything to do with it are innocent. How many Uighurs are in those camps and why are they there?

Similar things happened to the Irish. A lot of Irish in Northern Ireland suffered for things they never did and would never do. Yet there was a significant fraction of the population that supported bombings, for example.

What's the best answer when the supporters and helpers are hidden among a population? I don't know. Maybe address the root cause. Pretty hard if the root cause is Islam itself, but in the case of ireland, the root cause is systematic oppression. And some of that oppression was because of terrorism, making the whole thing kind of recursive.

Patrick says

Somehow people in the West totally forgot that the Uighurs were stabbing random Han Chinese:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-26402367

"Severely punish in accordance with the law the violent terrorists and resolutely crack down on those who have been swollen with arrogance," Xinhua quoted the President Xi as saying.

Image a western politician saying something like this?

Patrick says

the root cause is systematic oppression

How did this systematic oppression occur? I want to learn about it.

@gabbar It's a long story, but basically the English invaded Ireland over a long period and expropriated most of the land, handing it over to English nobility. The native Irish nobility fled to the continent, and the rest of the Irish were impoverished by lack of land and had no way to escape their poverty. They were systematically excluded from all positions of power, higher education, and all of the professional occupations because they were Catholic and spoke Irish instead of English.

They were forced to be tenant farmers for the English and had only small plots of land to grow food for themselves. Then the potato blight came in the 1840's, about a million Irish starved to death while Ireland continued to export large quantities of food, particularly beef, to England. Another million emigrated to America, among them my paternal ancestors.

Even after the independence of the Republic of Ireland, the Irish in Northern Ireland were still excluded from jobs and education, and I believe to this day it is forbidden for them to speak Irish in court. You can get a translator in a Northern Irish court for, say, Spanish, but not for Irish.

I found several official records of people with my own last name, maybe ancestors of mine, who had their land taken from them in 1641. The land was given to English nobility.

Patrick says

@gabbar It's a long story, but basically the English invaded Ireland over a long period and expropriated most of the land, handing it over to English nobility. The native Irish nobility fled to the continent, and the rest of the Irish were impoverished by lack of land and had no way to escape their poverty. They were systematically excluded from all positions of power, higher education, and all of the professional occupations because they were Catholic and spoke Irish instead of English.

They were forced to be tenant farmers for the English and had only small plots of land to grow food for themselves. Then the potato blight came in the 1840's, about a million Irish starved to death while Ireland continued to export large quantities of food, particularly beef, to England. Another million emigrated to America, among them my paternal ancestors.

Even after the independence of the Republic of Ireland, the Irish in Northern Ireland were still excluded from jobs and...

Sorry to hear this, I had no knowledge of this.

gabbar says

Image a western politician saying something like this?

Biden just said something similar to this about MAGA Republicans.

just_passing_through says

gabbar says

Image a western politician saying something like this?

Biden just said something similar to this about MAGA Republicans.

Xi said that about Muslim stabbers. Brandon is a turd. There is no reason to speak like this about your own citizens that are strangers to you. I bet that there not a lot of Presidents on the planet who stoop this low to score political points. Lindsey Graham called for shooting of US citizens, what gives him this authority?

Booger says

Haha - everything he said before was fine (he's criticized white groups, black groups, etc), but he's criticized the "Jewish media". He's finished. He's got Fuck You money, but he's now radioactive.

Make what you want out of that. Being black won't protect him. I saw the assassination of Norman Finkelstein and he was MILQUETOAST, Bobby Fischer was destroyed, and he was Jewish. This is because Zionism is conflated with Judaism, and as you all just learned over the last 10 years, most people are tribal cattle, including Jewish people, or white people or black. Break out of the mold, and there's consequences.

I remember when Louis Farrakhan got in trouble for saying Hitler was “great man” after being called Hitler himself. It was intended as a witty comeback, turning an insult into a compliment. He also clarified that Hitler was “wicked” as well but that of course was not enough to satisfy his literalist, binary-thinking critics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/04/12/second-farrakhan-controversy-caused-by-calling-hitler-great/b3b4ed46-8263-4875-a793-5789a29f74ab/

Those are FBI glowies for sure, especially with the Nazi salutes, but I do think it's true that Jews in the media will cancel you if you say that Jews in the media cancel people. Kind of proves the point when they do that.

It's interesting because the corporate media is also forbidden from saying anything bad about black people, even if true. But Kanye is black. So now what? I expect they just want to make him disappear.

Dems: "CIA, go use that EMP heart attack device on Kanye. We can't have a plantation revolt this close to the midterms, in case our plans for shutting the midterms down doesn't work. A few hospital protocols form Herr Fauci will finish him off if he survives."

Booger says

im a fucking genius!!!!!!! and strong too

Patrick says

Those are FBI glowies for sure, especially with the Nazi salutes, but I do think it's true that Jews in the media will cancel you if you say that Jews in the media cancel people. Kind of proves the point when they do that.

It's interesting because the corporate media is also forbidden from saying anything bad about black people, even if true. But Kanye is black. So now what? I expect they just want to make him disappear.

But Ye is a black conservative that doesn't despise Trump, therefore, is cancellable. His comments about Jewish people being hard to work with - has anyone watched Maisel??

A lot of Jews are proud of being difficult people, and cultivate it. But no one is allowed to say that.

In college in Ann Arbor, I showed a Jewish guy my Polish grandmother's dictionary. He looked up "Jewess" for fun and found that the word for Jewess, Żydówka, is also used in Polish to refer to an ulcer, being something nagging and painful, lol. We laughed.