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Well, since 1948. Is there really any comparison with regards to motive and numbers?
Not really sure what you're asking. The numbers are in the hundreds of thousands, however.
I think you mean besides Israel. You may also ask how you disappear Palestinians, while also multiplying them. That is a trick question.
I think you mean besides Israel. You may also ask how you disappear Palestinians, while also multiplying them. That is a trick question.
Yes. And that's another question. Demographic Trickery is fun stuff. Are third Generation Jamaican immigrants to the US still considered Jamaicans by Jamaica, if they don't hold any connection, including a passport, to their grandfather's country? How did Russians born in Lithuania in 1988, descended from the 4th Generation of Russians living in Lithuania, lose Lithuanian citizenship? But I won't answer that yet, as it would tip the hat as to the countries invovled.
Who Ethnically Cleansed hundreds of thousands Palestinians from their country?
The Arabs. They hate each other the most.
Give Strategist a whiff of a cigar. He'll get a virtual cigar if he names some names...
Give Strategist a whiff of a cigar.
He'll get a virtual cigar if he names some names...
Okay, one of the big ones is Kuwait. They expelled 400,000 Palestinians after 1991. That same year, the UN condemned Israel for expelling 4 Palestinians with violent backgrounds but issued not a single complaint about 400,000 - almost half a million - Palestinians being exiled from Kuwait. Does anybody know the reason why? Hint: Mustache.
What's the other big one?
The PLO supported Iraq and Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Many of the Palestinians in Kuwait arrived in 1948.
"The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as the Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, "al-Nakbah", lit. "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm"),[1] occurred when more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Palestine war.[2] The term "nakba" also refers to the period of war itself and events affecting Palestinians from December 1947 to January 1949.
The precise number of refugees is a matter of dispute[3] but around 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of what became Israel (50 percent of the Arab total of Mandatory Palestine) left or were expelled from their homes.[4][5] - Wiki
The PLO was involved in a civil war in Jordan in the early '70's and lost, resulting in more Palestinian displacement.
Would there be a PLO if there were an independent country of Palestine, and if there was no expulsion from Israel by the Jewish Palestinians? Would expulsion by Arab countries even have occurred under such a scenario?
Okay, one of the big ones is Kuwait. They expelled 400,000 Palestinians after 1991
I don't remember them being expelled. I remember many fleeing because they were afraid of the the Iraq troops then a lot more fleeing because they were afraid of the new Kuwait regime. Arafat was somehow involved, but I don't remember how. Now I'm curious, I'm going to look this up.
Found it. The Palestinian Diaspora, a great read on the history of Palestinian refugees. Yep, they weren't expelled, they fled. Mostly because the Iraq regime fired the majority of them from their jobs. Funny thing is almost all were Jordanian citizens "of Palestine descent" who had never even been to Israel/Palestine. They went back to Jordan. A few fled to Gaza and the West Bank where they were not well received and considered outsiders.
People don't realize the Palestinians have for the most part been treated worse in Arab countries than in Israel. They have been very cynically used mostly as a political pawn by Arab leaders rather than being accepted and helped. The initial refugee problem in 1948 was in part (how big a part depends on who you listen to) because Arab leaders refused to recognize the British mandate. Instead they bragged that Isreal would be crushed quickly. Palestinians were encouraged flee to avoid the fighting and assured they would soon return after victory over the zionists. A book called The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited documents the history of this era very thoroughly and non judgmentally including lots of previously unavailable declassified military records.
Q: How do you disappear Palestinians, while also multiplying them?
A: You turn Palestine into Israel, and the Jewish Palestinians into Israelis, and you bring in Europeans with a sketchy, centuries old story.
We got more big expulsions folks, there's one REALLY obvious one. Hint: They used to own the West Bank, fly their flag over the territory, and considered Palestinians to be their own citizens. Again, not Israel.
By the way, most say around 700,000 Palestinians were expelled (or left themselves due to the infamous radio encouragement to leave, so they would not be slaughtered by mistake when the victorious All-Arab Army cleansed all the Jews out of Israel, insha allah) by Israel. Bonus Question: How many Jews were expelled by MENA countries during and after the Israel Crisis?
It's also the reason the Vatican will never recognize Israel. If the Pope did, with 24 hours Christian blood would flow all over the Middle East. "Allah Akbar! Crusader King of Perdition and the False God Issa recognizes Jewish Entity! Kill the Christian Infidels, loot their homes!!! ULULULULULULULULU!"
btw, there used to be a substantial christian minority of about 10% among the palestinians, mostly greek orthodox i think.
in general in the middle east, the christian minority is a remnant of the original ethnic group of the area and maintains the old pre-arabic language as a religious language. so you have the copts, maronites, syrian christians, chaldeans, etc. they are the remnants of the groups which did not convert to islam because they tended to be from the merchant classes and were able to pay the jizya and negotiate with muslim leaders to keep their businesses.
the majority of those palestinian christians have left since 1948, so now it's down to like 1% or so remaining. they left because:
1. they could, having more money than average muslims
2. islam has a weird tribal mentality going, where they just assume that christians are spying for the west, so groups like isis single them out for slaughter. the money thing is probably a motive too, where local muslims get the businesses after the christian owners have been killed by isis. that's how it worked when the turks slaughtered the armenians around WWI.
but it is probably true that middle eastern christians assimilate into europe and the US much better than muslims do. they are just closer culturally to the west because of their religion and generally higher level of education.
Bonus Question: How many Jews were expelled by MENA countries during and after the Israel Crisis?
But they had a country to go to, and the reaction to the Jewish Palestinian land grab by the Arab states was predictable. But it was a reaction to an illegitimate action. The poor Palestinians who have paid for the sins of the PLO is a bit different. This post made me review the PLO/Jordanian Govt.-Hashemite monarchy war. The monarchy took no prisoners once there was an open and armed revolt. Yes, sort of like Assad from what I can tell.
To re-create a country that had not existed since Roman times, and to have blonde Europeans claim to have a right to that land is a bit too much. Hey, let's bring back Samaria. We can also use a few good Samaritans.
Bonus Question: How many Jews were expelled by MENA countries during and after the Israel Crisis?
I could look it up, best guess probably close to a million sephardi and mizrahi moved to Israel in the first 20-25 years from the various arab countries. I don't think many were actually expelled. There was lots of leftover nazi antisemitism in the arab world after WWII so most jews chose to go to Israel rather than be harassed constantly. Oddly enough the largest jewish population in the mena countries today is in Iran, which isn't arab.
This post made me review the PLO/Jordanian Govt.-Hashemite monarchy war. The monarchy took no prisoners once there was an open and armed revolt. Yes, sort of like Assad from what I can tell.
But the other side is that the PLO was stopping cars, searching people, literally taxing the population, and taking over from the government.
To re-create a country that had not existed since Roman times, and to have blonde Europeans claim to have a right to that land is a bit too much. Hey, let's bring back Samaria. We can also use a few good Samaritans.
True, but there never has been an independent Palestinian state, not even in ancient history. The last time there was an independent state in that area, it was Israel. Otherwise it's always been part of an Empire, but it's never been an independent Arab Muslim state not for 5 minutes.
Palestinians have a state, is the 2/3 of Ottoman Palestine that was made into Transjordan. The West Bank prior to '67 was Jordanian, with the Jordanian flag, Jordanian officials, Jordanian rule.
Here's the deal, the majority of Palestinians reject the two-state solution, they want only Arab Palestine from Sea to River. The majority of Palestinians want to expel all the Jews, and even if they didn't, Palestinians would become the majority and they are the most Jewish Hating people in the world. The only things Palestinians are split about is whether they will kill all the Jews, or expel all the Jews once they take over all of Israel.
Hamas' official policy is no Israel, only Palestine.
As for give peace a chance, check out Lebanon. The Civil War ended because the Arabs terrorized enough Christians to flee the country and gained an overwhelming majority, not because they sat around the campfire and smoked the peace pipe.
"Why should I be an oppressed minority in your country, when you can be an oppressed minority in Mine?"
Putting Israel where it was was stupid, It should have been carved out of Bavaria. But it's there, and there is no peace possible without the extermination of Israel and probably it's population. So that's that. Given that Muslims refuse to assimiliate even when you bend over backwards with welfare, free housing, free education, etc. among a much larger population of non-Arabs in Europe... what possible hope is there for Israel?
Here is a chart for those of you keeping score at home...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html
And that doesn't even show ethnicity, Russia, religion, WTF
This might be out of date, the bottom row is wrong, the US and Al Qaeda should now have "It's Complicated" face due to the US support of the Al Qaeda Led-Alliance of "moderate rebels" in Syria.
This might be out of date, the bottom row is wrong, the US and Al Qaeda should now have "It's Complicated" face due to the US support of the Al Qaeda Led-Alliance of "moderate rebels" in Syria.
Yes and they need to throw in the Hillary factor as well.
The only cleansing needed is Republican & Democratic voters from Merika.
A true conservative loves dependability.
The only cleansing needed is Republican & Democratic voters from Merika.
The only cleansing needed is Republican & Democratic voters from Merika.
We just need to shut off the spigot.
True, but there never has been an independent Palestinian state
Yes, but people did live there for quite a while. And now they don't, and the process is continuing. They have a more legitimate claim to the land than folks from Europe. Jews also lived in Palestine, and did not have their own country.
Yes, but people did live there for quite a while. And now they don't, and the process is continuing. They have a more legitimate claim to the land than folks from Europe. Jews also lived in Palestine, and did not have their own country.
Well, most of them were serfs working for absentee Turkish landlords, who were the real losers when Israel declared itself in 1947.
Possession is 90% of the law. The British created Jordan from 2/3rd of the Palestinian Territory taken from the Ottoman Empire, the Palestinians prior to 1948 refused to negotiate any division and insisted on the whole thing. They've been offered the entire West Bank and Gaza before + Compensation and rejected it every time. It is what it is.
Anything but returning the West Bank to Jordan and Gaza to Egypt is going to result in a second Holocaust. There's been plenty of sectarian violence between Muslims and even Muslims of same sect, but different ethnicity, to demonstrate there's absolutely no chance, none, that a single Israel-Palestine is ever going to work. Both Hamas and the PLO have stated that if they were to accept a two-state solution, it would only be a cease fire for a few years, maybe a generation, before they would re-ignite the war for all of Palestine.
Polls of the Palestinians themselves reject the two-state solution.
Israels only hope is to get Jordan to take over the West Bank, or go all Croatians in Krajina when the West is distracted with a big conflict of their own doing, like a Russo-NATO or internal ethnic bloodbath.
Like I said, Israel in Israel was a dumb idea, but that's the way the cookie crumbled. It is what it is. Until the Palestinians get realistic and try to practice the art of the possible, nothing can be done. As is said in the old Civilization games after discovering Fission...
Here's the deal, the majority of Palestinians reject the two-state solution, they want only Arab Palestine from Sea to River. The majority of Palestinians want to expel all the Jews, and even if they didn't, Palestinians would become the majority and they are the most Jewish Hating people in the world. The only things Palestinians are split about is whether they will kill all the Jews, or expel all the Jews once they take over all of Israel.
Hamas' official policy is no Israel, only Palestine.
Gary, Tovobot, and the others just don't get this.
The Palestinians owned it all in the first place, Einstein. Actually, Einstein knew this.
Native Americans owned all of America. Gary, you are occupying stolen property - theft - pure and simple.
You are evil. Please get the hell out.
How did Russians born in Lithuania in 1988, descended from the 4th Generation of Russians living in Lithuania, lose Lithuanian citizenship?
Easy: by refusing to learn the language and passing the test. It takes special kind of stupid to live somewhere "for 4 generations" (more likely 1-2 in reality) and not learn the local language.
750 thousand people were booted. Fook you Thunderass. This is theft, pure and simple.
How many Jews were expelled from MENA countries after 1948?
Easy: by refusing to learn the language and passing the test. It takes special kind of stupid to live somewhere "for 4 generations" (more likely 1-2 in reality) and not learn the local language.
Right, you can revoke Citizenship generations later, retroactively. Perfectly normal. I'm sure it would be perfectly fine to take away the Citizenship of Miami Cubans if their ancestors they couldn't pass a College Graduate-level English Written and Spoken Test despite previously having citizenship for 3 or 4 generations. Like the old Literacy Tests in the South, the difficulty of the exam is tailored to how badly the authorities want to prevent citizenship and voting.
The Palestinians owned it all in the first place, Einstein. Actually, Einstein knew this.
Native Americans owned all of America. Gary, you are occupying stolen property - theft - pure and simple.
You are evil. Please get the hell out.
Hey Gary, we know you are there. Crawl out from under the bed and address the comments like a man.
Oh Jew! Oh American! Oh Russian! Enemies of the Islamic Kaliphate!
Preaching from the Al-Aqsa Mosque (aka Temple Mount with a big fat mosque on it just like they build big fat mosques over Churches and Hindu Temples as a sign they have conquered):
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0oEwT5CjC_Q
"Oh Allah, let us eliminate the Jews" - literal quote.
The Israeli war has not progressed much since yesterday. The biggest news yesterday was Israel issued its largest evacuation notice yet, affecting around a million Palestinians in north Gaza, which suggests an imminent ground action.
The United Nations immediately demanded that Israel revoke the evacuation notice, arguing a mass relocation “would be calamitous.”
Israel’s opponents are scoffing just where are the Palestinians supposed to go?, since it appears nobody wants them. At least, none of the otherwise outraged Muslim countries in the area have so far offered to shelter any Palestinian refugees.
If you like, contrast that fact with Western Europe’s open door policy for Ukrainian refugees when that war began. So.
Here is a chart for those of you keeping score at home...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html
And that doesn't even show ethnicity, Russia, religion, WTF
Native Americans owned all of America.
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Since 1948.
Try to guess and not google. There is more than one answer.