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Florida's state bird is the Mocking Bird but not everybody owns one.

Tenpoundbass says

Florida's state bird is the Mocking Bird but not everybody owns one.

Translation: Enshrining wingnut values and giving them the force of law is, by definition, small government.

Giggle!

NO I thought I was going for, "Never kick a terd on a hot day".

It's been getting hotter from global warming, and this terd has been getting softer and softer, and the softer it got the more you kicked it. Now you've got shit on your foot and the worm has turned. Now the hot shit is going to kick you for a while.

When you Meddle hard you must Mettle harder!

HydroCabron says

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of Republicans "support establishing Christianity as the national religion" while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

Horrible. A vague declaration of non-denominational broad Christianity being the official religion? My goodness, what happens if we actually went further than that and picked a specific sect of Christianity (like Episcopalianism), or worse, provided state funding. We might become authoritarian fascist states like Norway, Finland or Denmark.

In truth, given the history of those countries, it would probably kill off religion faster than anything else. The Church of Norway doesn't exactly pack 'em in on Sundays.

thunderlips11 says

In truth, given the history of those countries, it would probably kill off religion faster than anything else. The Church of Norway doesn't exactly pack 'em in on Sundays.

Hey, if you're open to such radical thinking, why not let countries with Russian minorities govern themselves without military invasion from Russia?

HydroCabron says

Hey, if you're open to such radical thinking, why not let countries with Russian minorities govern themselves without military invasion from Russia?

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

thunderlips11 says

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

The day ain't over yet!

What percent of those Christians advocate beheading for those who leave Christianity? Or for insulting jesus? Which ones want to end democracy?

Which ones travel to foreign countries and machine gun crowds of teenagers, deliberately self organizing groups to kill as many random non Christians as possible?

Christianity has mild elements of intolerance. but intolerance of all others is central to islam.

Good quote about the difference : "Islam is just like Christianity, only much MUCH worse."

What percent of those Christians advocate beheading for those who leave Christianity? Or for insulting jesus? Which ones want to end democracy?

For hundreds of years, most Christians did. European governments drew and quartered people - worse than any means of execution ISIS has yet stooped to. Both Catholic and Protestant churches burned people alive.

By your logic, any nation was suicidal to allow Chistians to cross its borders, as Chistians would surely never think past the barbaric injunctions in their scriptures (which have no problem with slavery and other awful practices).

Somehow it worked out differently. Most modern Christians are perfectly decent people.

We hear a lot about the Republican ‘War on Women.’ It’s not cool Rush Limbaugh called somebody a slut. Okay. But Saudi women can’t vote, or drive, or hold a job, or leave the house without a man. Overwhelming majorities in every Muslim country say a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. That all seems like a bigger issue than evangelical Christian bakeries refusing to make gay wedding cakes.

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"But you lose your shit when somebody refers to Chaz Bono by the wrong pronoun"

Seriously. Some bigot refuses to make a cake, versus the execution of Homosexuals.

Yes, Homosexuality = Death is part of *modern* Islam.
http://islamqa.info/en/38622

thunderlips11 says

Seriously. Some bigot refuses to make a cake, versus the execution of Homosexuals.

Yes, Homosexuality = Death is part of *modern* Islam.

So Georgie's won't be opening a branch in Saudi Arabia. Very sad.

HydroCabron says

European governments drew and quartered people

which government, ever in history, anywhere (until modern historically-christian countries like sweden) did not kill people? if you're trying to say christianity is inherently even remotely as violent as islam, you're failing.

perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse because the obvious conclusion is unacceptable: that islam is inherently violently intolerant and the direct cause of most terrorism on earth.

it's nice you don't want to offend them, but you know, they are instructed explicitly not to give a shit about you, you non-jizya payer you. islam is the only (?) religion that never once says to love everyone regardless of their religion. in fact, it's just the opposite: they are instructed specifically not to be friends with jews and christians, and if you're an athiest, well, you know the answer to that.

jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self
mohammed?

thunderlips11 says

We hear a lot about the Republican ‘War on Women.’ It’s not cool Rush Limbaugh called somebody a slut. Okay. But Saudi women can’t vote, or drive, or hold a job, or leave the house without a man. Overwhelming majorities in every Muslim country say a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. That all seems like a bigger issue than evangelical Christian bakeries refusing to make gay wedding cakes.

I loved that video.
Hey Dan, I just found out I'm a damn librul. Makes me sick.

perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse because the obvious conclusion is unacceptable: that islam is inherently currently violently intolerant and the direct cause of most terrorism on earth.

Fixed.

All of the "500 years ago, explicitly Christian states burned books" does not take away from the the fact that "Private Video: Interracial Sissy Trannies Gangbanged My BBW Czech Amateur Wife Volume XXIII" is freely available all over the Western World.

Again, a couple of dumbasses refusing to bake a cake != executing gays, "witches", and "Sorcerers".

HydroCabron says

For hundreds of years, most Christians did. European governments drew and quartered people - worse than any means of execution ISIS has yet stooped to. Both Catholic and Protestant churches burned people alive.

Every time we point out sick Islamic practices, some one comments about bad things Christians did 500 years ago.
When I say Mohammad slaughtered a 100 people in Paris, you say John slaughtered 1000 in 1405. My question is, who the hell is John, and what has he got to do with Mohammad slaughtering a 100 people today?
I keep hearing that from liberals who simply refuse to see the threat we face today is from Islam, not from Christianity or any other religion.

actually, not fixed.

islam really is inherently violently intolerant in a way that christianity is not.

islam can perhaps be reformed, similar to the way that christians overruled the harsher rules of the old testament (stoning gays, for example) but there is no real sign of that anywhere. problem is, attempting to reform islam is itself punishable by death according to islam.

see the case of mahmoud taha: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Mohammed_Taha

Strategist says

I keep hearing that from liberals who simply refuse to see the threat we face today is from Islam, not from Christianity or any other religion.

point them to this:

http://www.faisalalmutar.com/2015/11/16/i-am-a-jihadist-and-i-am-tired-of-not-being-given-credit/

at least they might get a laugh out of their own ignorance.

When they passed "Go"...

thunderlips11 says

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

if you're trying to say christianity is inherently even remotely as violent as islam, you're failing.

I don't think he failed. He was comparing behavior of the most extreme Muslims today, to the crusades and Inquisition. Just because true Christianity doesn't sanction atrocities and genocide, doesn't mean that plenty of such behavior hasn't been justified by Christianity. How do you think most of the people that went along with the holocaust justified it, if not by the fact that those killed were Jews (Christian version of infidels in some places and times) ? How do you think Americans slept at night while genocide of native Americans was occurring ? OF course it was the knowledge that they were primitive heathens, non Christians, and therefore subhuman that made it okay,or at least easier to live with.

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either. Although like our bible, slavery is advocated and in war times all kinds of behaviors are sanctioned, and it is in part a plan for expanding the religion. Their motive is the expansion of Islam, much like the motive of the crusades was the expansion of Catholicism.

We've evolved past that behavior and feel that we're better than that now, and in fact we are. Although the fundamentalist Christians are kind of an echo of those times. Fundamentalist Muslims are a worse kind of echo of medieval insanity.

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.

jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?

marcus says

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either

I do.

marcus says

We've evolved past that behavior

But they haven't. We are two entirely different cultures, their's still in the 13th century or some ancient, barbaric one at least. They will buy Toyota pickups all day long and use the latest electronic equipment, but their hearts and minds are still in the ancient days of stoning people for sexual misconduct and blood oaths and holding grudges for hundreds of years as was common in what we call Biblical times which date back probably 3,000 years in the Old Testament since Christianity is about 2,000 years old. As bad as communism and naziism were, they existed within a Western context that we can understand--one the justification for hatred based on race (naziism), the other justification for hatred based on class. There was nothing religious about either and neither ones would have killed themselves in support of their ideology as Muslims do.

marcus says

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either.

wow, that's just so spectacularly wrong, it's hard to know where to start.

i don't need to start. you need to start reading about islam so you know what you're talking about.

YOU need to start reading about islam so you know what you're talking about.

I would say the same about you.

The most you can claim is that out of the billions of peace loving Muslims in the world, too many are sympathetic with those that would revert to medieval practices. YOu're gonna say, yeah, b-b-b-ut our 3 million Islamic folk are different than them. Etc. I've read plenty.

If you look really hard on the internet, you can even find how several of the most popular quotes from the Koran justifying violence against infidels are taken out of context.

That is if YOU feel like educating YOURSELF.

But I'll acknowledge just like our bible, there's a bunch of fucked up stuff in the Koran. So ? I'll also agree that our religious tradition is better than theirs..

Look, I'm not defending it ? Who are you Dan ? Are you going to intentionally miss my point because you found one sentence you can jump on ?

marcus says

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.

jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?

I notice that instead of responding to this, Patrick wants to focus on how I need to educate myself.

marcus says

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.

jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?