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Stumbling to War With Russia?, Is the US Deliberately Starting WWIII?


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2015 Nov 27, 5:58am   5,548 views  13 comments

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Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane was a provocative and portentous act.

That Sukhoi Su-24, which the Turks say intruded into their air space, crashed and burned in Syria. One of the Russian pilots was executed while parachuting to safety. A Russian rescue helicopter was destroyed by rebels using a U.S. TOW missile. A Russian marine was killed.

"A stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists," said Vladimir Putin of the first downing of a Russian warplane by a NATO nation in half a century. Putin has a point, as the Russians are bombing rebels in northwest Syria, some of which are linked to al-Qaida.

As it is impossible to believe Turkish F-16 pilots would fire missiles at a Russian plane without authorization from President Tayyip Recep Erdogan, we must ask: Why did the Turkish autocrat do it?

Why is he risking a clash with Russia?

Answer: Erdogan is probably less outraged by intrusions into his air space than by Putin"s success in securing the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad, whom Erdogan detests, and by relentless Russian air strikes on Turkmen rebels seeking to overthrow Assad.

Imperiled strategic goals and ethnicity may explain Erdogan. But what does the Turkish president see down at the end of this road?

And what about us? Was the U.S. government aware Turkey might attack Russian planes? Did we give Erdogan a green light to shoot them down?

These are not insignificant questions.

For Turkey is a NATO ally. And if Russia strikes back, there is a possibility Ankara will invoke Article V of NATO and demand that we come in on their side in any fight with Russia.

And Putin was not at all cowed. Twenty-four hours after that plane went down, his planes, ships and artillery were firing on those same Turkmen rebels and their jihadist allies.

Politically, the Turkish attack on the Sukhoi Su-24 has probably aborted plans to have Russia join France and the U.S. in targeting ISIS, a diplomatic reversal of the first order.

Indeed, it now seems clear that in Syria's civil war, Turkey is on the rebel-jihadist side, with Russia, Iran and Hezbollah on the side of the Syrian regime.

But whose side are we on?

As for what strategy and solution President Obama offers, and how exactly he plans to achieve it, it remains an enigma.

Nor is this the end of the alarming news.

According to The Times of Israel, Damascus reports that, on Monday, Israel launched four strikes, killing five Syrian soldiers and eight Hezbollah fighters, and wounding others.

Should Assad or Hezbollah retaliate, this could bring Israel more openly into the Syrian civil war.

And if Israel is attacked, the pressure on Washington to join her in attacking the Syrian regime and Hezbollah would become intense.

Yet, should we accede to that pressure, it could bring us into direct conflict with Russia, which is now the fighting ally of the Assad regime.

Something U.S. presidents conscientiously avoided through 45 years of Cold War a military clash with Moscow could become a real possibility. Does the White House see what is unfolding here?

Elsewhere, yet another Russia-NATO clash may be brewing.

In southern Ukraine, pylons supporting the power lines that deliver electricity to Crimea have been sabotaged, blown up, reportedly by nationalists, shutting off much of the electric power to the peninsula.

Repair crews have been prevented from fixing the pylons by Crimean Tatars, angry at the treatment of their kinfolk in Crimea.

In solidarity with the Tatars, Kiev has declared that trucks carrying goods to Crimea will not be allowed to cross the border.

A state of emergency has been declared in Crimea.

Russia is retaliating, saying it will not buy produce from Ukraine, and may start cutting off gas and coal as winter begins to set in.

Ukraine is as dependent upon Russia for fossil fuels as Crimea is upon Ukraine for electricity. Crimea receives 85 percent of its water and 80 percent of its electricity from Ukraine.

Moreover, Moscow's hopes for a lifting of U.S. and EU sanctions, imposed after the annexation of Crimea, appear to be fading.

Are these events coordinated? Has the U.S. government given a go-ahead to Erdogan to shoot down Russian planes? Has Obama authorized a Ukrainian economic quarantine of Crimea?

For Vladimir Putin is not without options. The Russian Army and pro-Russian rebels in southeast Ukraine could occupy Mariupol on the Black Sea and establish a land bridge to Crimea in two weeks.

In Syria, the Russians, with 4,000 troops, could escalate far more rapidly than either us or our French allies.

As of today, Putin supports U.S.-French attacks on ISIS. But if we follow the Turks and begin aiding the rebels who are attacking the Syrian army, we could find ourselves eyeball to eyeball in a confrontation with Russia, where our NATO allies will be nowhere to be found.

Has anyone thought this through?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/patrick-j-buchanan/us-deliberately-starting-wwiii/

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1   Y   2015 Nov 27, 6:48am  

Overpopulation, lack of resources, joblessness, skydaddies on all sides, war.
The human experience has always been a repetitive exercise.

2   mmmarvel   2015 Nov 27, 9:13am  

SoftShell says

Overpopulation, lack of resources, joblessness, skydaddies on all sides, war.

You forgot to add Global Warming to the list.

3   Y   2015 Nov 27, 9:14am  

Yes that is repetitive also...with or without your cadillac...

SoftShell says

You forgot to add Global Warming to the list.

4   indigenous   2015 Nov 27, 10:43am  

SoftShell says

Overpopulation, lack of resources, joblessness, skydaddies on all sides, war.

Not true, in 2010 Turkey's GDP growth was 12%. Why you ask?, glad you asked, because their central bank cranked up the printing press. But only the US can get away with that shit. Anyways as most of us know when you crank up the printing press you feel pretty good for a while, sort of like alcohol, but then following the buzz you don't feel so good, sort of like alcohol, because you have to have to raise the interest rate because the exchange rate for the Lira drops like a lead balloon.

Why is it always the butler did it? Er I mean the central bank?

5   Y   2015 Nov 27, 2:25pm  

Sure it's true.
Turkey is not at war, invalidating your use of such as an example...

indigenous says

SoftShell says

Overpopulation, lack of resources, joblessness, skydaddies on all sides, war.

Not true, in 2010 Turkey's GDP growth was 12%.

6   Y   2015 Nov 27, 2:28pm  

No...we thought they might get showered with leis'

indigenous says

Was the U.S. government aware Turkey might attack Russian planes?

7   Y   2015 Nov 27, 2:31pm  

Putin did so he could justify carpet bombing the turkmen...

indigenous says

Has the U.S. government given a go-ahead to Erdogan to shoot down Russian planes?

8   Y   2015 Nov 27, 2:34pm  

Not to worry. We have Christie...

indigenous says

The Russian Army and pro-Russian rebels in southeast Ukraine could occupy Mariupol on the Black Sea and establish a land bridge to Crimea in two weeks.

9   indigenous   2015 Nov 27, 3:04pm  

SoftShell says

Sure it's true.

Turkey is not at war, invalidating your use of such as an example...

Non Sequitur

10   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 27, 4:28pm  

Short answer: NO.

SoftShell says

Putin did so he could justify carpet bombing the turkmen...

You mean the Grey Wolves, a neo-Ottoman nut group. The leader of the gang that shot at the parachuting Russian pilot is claimed to be the son of a Turkish Mayor aligned with Erdogan.

11   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 27, 4:30pm  

But meanwhile, in the Ukrops blogosphere:

12   anonymous   2017 Oct 27, 9:32pm  

War has all the characteristics of socialism most conservatives hate: Centralized power, state planning, false rationalism, restricted liberties, foolish optimism about intended results, and blindness to unintended secondary results.
13   Patrick   2024 Nov 19, 5:35pm  

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/brinkmanship-ukraine-hits-target


Brinkmanship: Ukraine Hits Target Inside Russia with U.S. Ballistic Missiles

Donald Trump Jr. expresses alarm; Alex Soros expresses delight.

The following map is a conspicuous illustration of why Russia has, since the Bucharest NATO Summit in 2008, stated its staunch opposition to Ukraine joining NATO. If you thought Cuba was uncomfortably close to the Pentagon to host a Soviet missile base in 1962, consider that Cuba is about 1100 miles from Washington D.C., while the northeast corner of Ukraine is about 350 miles from Moscow.




With Biden the lame duck puppet on his way out, whoever is running his administration has decided to kick up the brinkmanship a big notch by giving Ukraine a green light to go ahead and launch an American-made ballistic missile, which flew more than 140 km to hit a target in the Bryansk region of Russia. ...



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