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errc says

Dan is one of said retards that CiC trolls the fuck out of

CIC doesn't annoy me. Every time he opens his mouth, it's an opportunity to show just how despicable conservatives are. Sometimes I think he's so stupid that he must be someone's straw man conservative design just to make conservatives sound like idiots. But then I hear a quote from Fox News and I realize, no, he's not a straw man. He's really that dumb. So I'm happy to point out conservative moronic beliefs for what they are.

ignoring images would not be too hard.

Ok, I tried the "ignore" function on Ironman. I find it too drastic. I cannot see his threads nor comments. Perhaps "ignore" could be slightly different, as follows:

If you ignore user X, then each post (or thread) by X will appear as a one-liner which indicates that there is a comment (or thread) by X, but without showing the content (maybe just the title in the case of a thread). There could an ignore on/off right there on each such comment line (ADDENDUM: perhaps hide/unhide is a better name).

That way, one can see, read and be informed by a thread, and selectively view the content posted by low-information posters. By a click of a button one can see whether user X adds anything useful to the thread or not. The ignore-X variable could be global, but the option to un-ignore could be right there inside the thread.

I know, more work, but like Dan I feel that just wholesale ignoring misinformation is not an option.

Also, there is the question of whether "ignore(hide/unhide)" and "block from posting on my threads" should be independent of each other.

Dan8267 says

I suppose PatNet could require a SMS capable telephone number for ensuring uniqueness and permabanning trolls. That's not a perfect solution, but it is a reasonable one that would eliminate most trolls. It does require the user base to trust Patrick though.

Oh, man. Any site that requires my phone number is OUT. I trust Patrick with my phone number, but in general it is a lousy idea.

I didn't say he annoys you. I said he trolls you

Meaning he has no intention of discussion or discourse, rather the opposite. His purpose is to derail any meaningful discussion by dragging people into stupid bickering. And in that sense, he fucking OWNS you. There was a time when i would read your posts with hopes of learning something or potentially engaging in interesting discussion. After seeing the disinteresting battle you choose to fight with the resident troll, I usually just scroll right past your posts so as not to waste my time

CiC 2
Us 0

You allow him to troll me by proxy. Cant think of a better way to devalue yourself, but hey, you're free to make that choice

i agree a phone number is too much. it opens all kinds of unpleasant possibilities for finding the user's real name and even location.

ok, i could have ignore basically "minimize" a user instead of just making them disappear.

my problem to solve is making sure the politically incorrect voice is not suppressed even when it's in the minority, or "disliked".

i'd hate for the site to be just like a feminist meeting in which men are simply shouted down no matter how polite and rational they are in expressing their opinions.

CiC isn't being politically incorrect. He is being intentionally disruptive. The majority of his posts are character assassinations on other posters

I like your site, Patrick. But you look like a real dumb ass allowing the troll to yell fire in the crowded theatre, in the name of free speech. Quit being such a pussy and ban his ass. You did it to shrek for much less

Free speech is a wonderful thing. But personal attacks are not protected speech

i'd hate for the site to be just like a feminist meeting in which men are simply shouted down no matter how polite and rational they are in expressing their opinions.

Lol - it's in more danger of becoming a mirror image of a feminist meeting, but for disaffected men.

For those who haven't tried it, use the ignore function. You can just ignore someone temporarily, or just leave them on ignore. If you ever want to see if you are missing threads, open a different browser or an incognito window in chrome, and you will see all threads.

Dan, I agree with errc to some extent. By engaging CIC, you lessen the value of your posts. People don't need your commentary to figure out that CIC is an idiot. If you want to persuade others away from conservative ideas, you should engage with more intelligent adversaries.

For the life of me, I don't know why more people don't use ignore. @Patrick, my biggest gripe is that I am ignoring CIC, but he can still post in my threads. I'm guessing that he reads the thread while logged out, and uses the email method of posting a comment. Then, I get an email showing his post, b/c I'm watching the thread. Maybe when that logged out comment form posts, the site could check the ignore list before sending out the email?

Ironman says

Dan posting image after image and post after post of references of sex with animals i

Dan has a lot to do, a productive, fulfilling life.

Ironman says

Can you say "Double Standard"?

There is no double standard. When you post rubbish and clutter, which is most of the time, I don't want to see the clutter, but I might in some cases post a factual correction to something you are claiming.

Once in a rare while you actually post something sensible, in which case I don't mind. Heck, I even have occasionally given you a "like" when you had something intelligent to say. I encourage good behavior.

It is not a double standard. It is a reality-based standard. Evidence-based.

ok, i could have ignore basically "minimize" a user instead of just making them disappear.

Right on. Minimize is a good name for hide/unhide. Even hide the icon to save space inside threads. One line is enough for a minimized user.

Ironman says

Answer a question, are Dan's continuous images and Youtube videos he posts of references to animal sex, rubbish or clutter or not?

You both post clutter. But you post the most clutter.

errc says

CiC isn't being politically incorrect. He is being intentionally disruptive.

That's the key point. All arguments no matter how controversial and all thoughts no matter how repulsive are welcome. A troll differs in that the troll seeks to prevent converse and to disrupt conversations and the freedom of speech we are trying to protect. A troll is the equivalent of someone shouting at everybody and banging things on the table to make sure no one else can speak. And that is what CIC is.

Unfortunately, there is no way, even in principle, of guaranteeing uniqueness without giving up, at least temporarily, some identifying information. That identifying information can be converted into non-identifying unique information and the original identifying data forgotten (never written to persistent storage), but all such solutions require a certain level of trust and integrity of the account manager, either a third-party service or the website administrator.

Dan8267 says

Real Misogyny

The real misogyny is that a man impregnated a woman with CIC. That should be considered a crime against humanity.