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You forgot their penchant for buggery!

Ted Cruz just threw a pissy fit that people are picking on him and threatened to leave the stage. And this guy is running for president of the United States. This is why the thought of a Republican president is scary.

Are you watching it for the bimbo moderator?

Marco Rubio is a coward who is still pro-torture. He should be made to watch his wife and children being intensively interrogated so he can learn exactly what Gitmo is about.

What a piece of shit that coward is.

lostand confused says

Are you watching it for the bimbo moderator?

Is Megyn Kelly a bimbo, or just evil and manipulative and willing to spread evil for profit?

Dan8267 says

Is Megyn Kelly a bimbo, or just evil and manipulative and willing to spread evil for profit?

Can she be both? Crazy hot chicks do tend to be good in bed-before they stab you!!!

They're all fuckbags.

Did you see that Santorum and Huckabee ditched the debates ---- for Trump's Rally!! This is too outrageous!!

The Republican Candidates, except Rand Paul, are a bunch of chicken-hawks. They are all warmongering yet not a single one served in the military. In fact, many of them used political connections to keep themselves out of the military, and if there were a draft during the young adulthood of the others, they would have.

Republicans: "Oh my god! We're all going to die unless we kill everyone else! I just wet my pants."

Pussies, all of them.

lostand confused says

Dan8267 says

Is Megyn Kelly a bimbo, or just evil and manipulative and willing to spread evil for profit?

Can she be both? Crazy hot chicks do tend to be good in bed-before they stab you!!!

Not really. One can be dumb and evil. One can be smart and evil. The later is probably worse. But if one is dumb as the term bimbo implies, one cannot be smart. I'm not convinced that Megyn Kelly is a bimbo. I think she knows what she's doing, but does not care.

Granted, there are far more vile people on Fox News. She's a relatively minor evil.

In the "a broken clock is right sometimes" category, Ted Cruz just said that health insurance should be divorced from employment. Unfortunately, his mouth kept moving after that. Health insurance also needs to be divorced from private business. Cruz's approach does nothing to solve the problem of corporate greed literally killing people by denying coverage and essential procedures while giving the illusion of coverage until you try to use it.

Dan8267 says

Republicans: "Oh my god! We're all going to die unless we kill everyone else! I just wet my pants."

Dan8267 says

Not really. One can be dumb and evil. One can be smart and evil. The later is probably worse. But if one is dumb as the term bimbo implies, one cannot be smart. I'm not convinced that Megyn Kelly is a bimbo. I think she knows what she's doing, but does not care.

Speaking of Trump, do you think he looks bad for not showing up or would he have looked worse if he had been there.

Dan8267 says

Speaking of Trump, do you think he looks bad for not showing up or would he have looked worse if he had been there.

Nah, he's not gonna suffer at all. I didn't watch the debate at all, but from initial reports it looks like they were all ganging up on Cruz at the beginning?

I heard Rubio say we need a stronger military, that Obama isn't keeping us safe.

Thus far we've had a handful of shooting and bombing incidents, a "stronger military" will do fuck-all against all that.

Plus all Obama's done is unwind the rising defense expense he inherited:

(real defense spending, 2015 dollars)

The Republican debate also demonstrated my point in this thread that religion brainwashes people and makes them delusional.

"I will always allow my faith to influence everything I do." - Ted Cruz today in the Republican debate

And that is why other people's faith negatively affects all of us. Ted Cruz stated unequivocally that his faith in his fictional sky daddy will effect every part of his presidency. Do you really want the person with access to the nuclear codes and all of the military to base his decisions on ridiculous fairy-tales?

"Putin is a one-horse country, oil". - Ben Carson

Carson apparently does not know that the phrase "one-horse town" means that a town is small and boring, not that it has one industry, which doesn't apply to Russia either.

Also, Carson does not appear to understand that Putin is the president of Russia, not a country. Russia is the country.

Great. Ted Cruz is also basing his energy policy on what he things "god" wants. That's a much sounder foundation than science.

Dan8267 says

"Putin is a one-horse country, oil". - Ben Carson

First in Space.

First ICBM, and Rocket too. Russia got most of the space firsts. With about 1/20th the budget of the USA.

BTW, the US got 90% of the Nazi Scientists and rocket factories. Russia only got about 10%, and they were technicians. The R-7 was a completely Russian design, and the Russians already had prototype jet and rocket engines in 1941, long before they captured any Nazi stuff. Boris Chertoff spent WW2 working on jet and rocket engines and was in the first team to dig through East Germany looking for Rocket Tech.

How much do you want to bet that Trump won tonight's debate?

turtledove says

How much do you want to bet that Trump won tonight's debate?

He was the only one who didn't say anything stupid in tonight's debate. And I'm including the moderators.

Dan8267 says

They are cowards, constantly afraid that anyone whose not under their boot will kill them.

I'm pretty sure that if Putin, or Kim from North Korea, Chinese ruling party, or just about every other dictator out there. That if they could, they would fuck us over and kill us all to take everything. Big military is nice to have, it's like being a tallest player on basketball court, just have to be wise with it's usage.

FortWayne says

Big military is nice to have

The question is how big. Bigger isn't always better. A military and defense industry that is too large creates national security risks including terrorism because their revenue streams depend on such threats. The last thing our warfare industry wants is an end to terrorism. It would be like a funeral director voting for an end to death.

thunderlips11 says

the Russians already had prototype jet and rocket engines in 1941, long before they captured any Nazi stuff.

Everyone had prototype jets in 1941. The brits, french, german's, russian's, and us (read about ge's hush hush boys sometime) were all working on jets. Whittle's work and patent were well known in the aviation community. Ohain in germany claimed he never saw Whittle's patent when developing the HeS 1, but no one really believed him. The patent was well published in german libraries. If the british air ministry and british society in general weren't such an old boys network with such a rigid class structure the battle of britain would have been fought with jets on the british side and the rest of WWII with jets on the allies side. Whittle had a workable design in 1926 but the air ministry's old boy experts said it wouldn't work and whittle didn't get private financial backing to start development until 1936 Even then the air ministry made things difficult at every turn. What a waste.

BTW the russians simply copied the rolls royce rb.41 centrifugal flow nene calling it the Klimov RD-45, and a larger version, the Klimov VK-1 for their first generation jets like the mig 15, they did NOT engineer their own engine. The P&W J42 was also a nene. P&W engineered an upgraded larger version of the nene called the J48 which RR sold as the tay.

FortWayne says

Dan8267 says

They are cowards, constantly afraid that anyone whose not under their boot will kill them.

I'm pretty sure that if Putin, or Kim from North Korea, Chinese ruling party, or just about every other dictator out there. That if they could, they would fuck us over and kill us all to take everything. Big military is nice to have, it's like being a tallest player on basketball court, just have to be wise with it's usage.

There hasn't been a creditable military threat to the US since the war of 1812. The post WWII standing military (pre WWII the US military was tiny at 174,000 troops, ranking between Portugal and Bulgaria) is for projection of power and furthering of us policy, not defence.

bob2356 says

The brits, french, german's, russian's, and us (read about ge's hush hush boys sometime) were all working on jets. Whittle's work and patent were well known in the aviation community. Ohain in germany claimed he never saw Whittle's patent when developing the HeS 1, but no one really believed him.

Interesting! I did know the British probably had the strongest jet program going into the war, and probably after. Wasn't the Electric Lighting the first to supercruise?

I should mention that the first turbofan jet engine, was patented in 1941 by the Soviet Union..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkhip_Lyulka

Going back to rockets, in 1941, the Russians already had rocket engines being tested, in fact Boris Chertok spent a good deal of the war testing rocket engines on fighters. Unfortunately, the Russians didn't have any precision equipment as unlike Britain, US, and Germany, they could not obtain them prior to the war due to embargoes and until they took over East Germany, they basically had to reinvent the wheel. Whereas Western Europe could buy each other's scientific equipment. Created huge problems with testing.

Russian rocketry was 2nd only to Germany around 1940.The US was utterly uninterested in rocketry until well after the war, and that was mostly the Army and the pet Nazis working on rockets for short range nuclear weapons.

My point is that most try to blow off Russia's massive 1930s-50s leap in aerospace technology, that began prior to the war and years before the Russians took over East Germany.

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thunderlips11 says

My point is that most try to blow off Russia's massive 1930s-50s leap in aerospace technology, that began prior to the war and years before the Russians took over East Germany.

It goes much earlier than that. On May 3, 1919, in the midst of Russia's civil war, Nikolai Tikhomirov (1859-1930), a chemical engineer sent a letter to Vladimir Bonch-Bruevich, chief of administrative service of the Soviet of People's Commissars (Sovnarkom), in which he requested state support for the development of his invention -- rocket-propelled weapons, On March 1, 1921, the soviet government established a "Laboratory for development of the invention of engineer N. I. Tikhomirov" in Moscow. This went on to become the Group for the Study of Reactive Motion in 1931 and the Soviet Jet Propulsion Research Institute (RNII) in 1938. http://www.russianspaceweb.com/gdl.html

The Katyusha multiple rocket launcher (stalins organ) was operational in time for the german invasion and over 10,000 were produced. Germans really hated it.

Post WWII was problematic for political reasons. The more advanced designs captured from germany were the subject of intense political fighting among the various agencies, specifically NKAP (aviation), NKP (munitions), and GAU (artillery), that really hurt development. After several years of battles over control of the rocket program and possession of captured german technology the Soviet of Ministers USSR issued decree No. 1017-419 dividing the rocket program among the various ministries with a special government committee on reactive technology in overall charge.

thunderlips11 says

I didn't watch the debate at all,

I think the rating will show that only Dan watched it.