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Nope, you'll have to make a decision - buy this car which is priced normally and made in the USA, or pay a 35% premium for the luxury of choosing foreign economic gains over American jobs.

Ha! Priced normally? You mean about 35% higher than I pay now for most of my major durable goods, electronics and cars?

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 7, 5:38pm

Ha! Priced normally? You mean about 35% higher than I pay now for most of my major durable goods, electronics and cars?

Toyota makes cars in Tennessee. You'll have to shop wisely, and buy American. Not be a militant ideologue. But after a couple of years, Ford and Carrier and Apple will be manufacturing here and it won't be a problem.

This will help you:
http://www.cbsnews.com/media/made-in-the-usa-7-of-the-best-cars-made-here/

More important to recreate the huge middle class, where mom and dad had to plan to buy a fridge but owned their home and had no problem paying regular bills while saving a bit for retirement, than new laptops costing $500 instead of $350.

Of course, if China and Japan opens up to US Goods, there will be no 35% Tariff. But only if it's reciprocal. Non-reciprocal trade deals, despite CATO promises, have been in existence for decades without any sign of reciprocity.

218 socal2 2016 Mar 7, 5:55pm

"Just Give it more time - 1 Billion New Customers for American Enterprise!"

China is still a massively poor country compared to America despite being the world's second largest economy. Don't we want more rich countries and people to trade with? Do you REALLY think we are going to bring back tons of labor intensive manufacturing jobs back to America in the 21st Century?

And when Trump slaps his tariff on China, I am sure the poor and lower middle class Americans that buy most of their "made in China" products in Walmart and Target will appreciate it. Maybe wages will trickle up just in time?

219 socal2 2016 Mar 7, 6:05pm

Toyota makes cars in Tennessee. You'll have to shop wisely, and buy American. Not be a militant ideologue. But after a couple of years, Ford and Carrier and Apple will be manufacturing here and it won't be a problem.

This will help you:

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/made-in-the-usa-7-of-the-best-cars-made-here/

Noticed that none of those cars were built in California, Illinois, Washington or New York. Most of the non GM cars were built in lower cost-of-living Southern States with little to no unions.

Maybe we can tariff non-union States too!

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 7, 6:10pm

China is still a massively poor country compared to America despite being the world's second largest economy. Don't we want more rich countries and people to trade with? Do you REALLY think we are going to bring back tons of labor intensive manufacturing jobs back to America in the 21st Century?

I think it would be wonderful to have true free trade with the EU. That would be trade between equally developed economies. The only way Americans can compete with China or Mexico is to degenerate into a third world lifestyle for at least half the working population.

Noticed that none of those cars were built in California, Illinois, Washington or New York. Most of the non GM cars were built in lower cost-of-living Southern States with little to no unions.

I'll take what I can get. Better a $13/hr non-unionized manufacturing job than the only jobs Free Trade creates, which are shitty service jobs. And yeah, Tom Sowell, a tiny minority of service jobs are high paid PR Executive or Accountant or whatever. But most aren't, they're mostly McJobs.

Have you see the Job Creation Mix in the US? We create the same kind of jobs a third word, tourist dependent country creates - Housekeeper, Dishwasher, Lettuce Picker - we don't create anywhere near enough jobs for college graduates, either. American Dream absolutely unsustainable with those jobs.

We need an answer - if the economy is better under Free Trade, why can't a married factory worker have a modest home, a car, all the appliances, and a wife who doesn't work like he did in the 50s, 60s, and even into the 70s?

Working 2-3 Part Time Jobs that pay single digits per hour is now the norm in the United States. Over 40% - 40%!!!! not just Teenagers and Bored Retirees - make less than $15/hr.

We must engage in protectionism to conserve the American Way of Life, and not become Belize or Gabon.

The choice is Tariff or Tenement.

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Shaman 2016 Mar 7, 6:17pm

Once again, the POINT of offshoring is NOT to give consumers cheaper products, but to reap greater profits for corporations! They price their goods at the price point precalculated to maximize profits. If the cost of the goods goes up suddenly, and the price point doesn't change due to economic factors like people being richer, the profit is sacrificed to bring the price back down to the price point of greatest sales. So instead of Apple making 150% profit per phone, they price it lower and make 50% profit per phone WITHOUT THE PRICE CHANGING!
This is a wash for consumers, but a disaster for wealthy owners. Why do you think they hate Trump so dang much? He threatens their profits!

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Shaman 2016 Mar 7, 6:21pm

The choice is Tariff or Tenement

Most of the poor would consider a tenement a step up from their current living circumstances. In the land of the free you are free to start your own business or starve. Or both. Either way you're probably going to be homeless.

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turtledove 2016 Mar 7, 9:45pm

I think it would be wonderful to have true free trade with the EU.

We are so far from that... You can't even send a present of any value without someone having to pay a "tariff." When we first moved to Ireland, my mother sent my kids a really neat train set for Christmas. I had to pay 125 Euro in VAT to collect the gift from the delivery man.

224 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 8:54am

First, it's YOUR love to put your labels (conservative/liberal, Left/right) on certain people. I don't give a shit about political labels. Plus, you are are amazingly fixated on titles or parties instead of issues. I REFUSE to support do-nothing senators with ZERO accomplishments as President. Haven't you learned anything from the last 7 years?

I want a President with verifiable proof of getting something done, not a series of campaign "promises", but when you look to their past record, it's BLANK.

Got it - you have no interest in political or economic ideology, you just want a "man of action". Even if that action is to the Left of Obama, Hillary and Bernie?

So what ISSUES are most important to you where you can credibly say Trump is better than the remaining Republican field, let alone the Democrats?

I suppose you could have said immigration a few weeks ago, but after last week's debate and Trump's massive flip flop - most thinking people realize that Trump is full of bullshit and just spouting off rhetoric he thinks "the right-wing crazies" will like so he can win the nomination.

As a Conservative, I want our government doing as little as possible short of national security and maintaining a basic safety net. Trump has already said he will do nothing to reform entitlements (our biggest liability) - and demonstrated at last week's debate he hasn't a clue about the size and scope of government expenditures.

225 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 9:38am

I guess that "man of action" should be Ted Cruz...

Ironman still seems to be confused about the different roles of legislators and the private sector.

Again, I don't want my government promising to "do" all sorts of shit. They already "do" too much and have fucked up this country with bigger and more bloated and inefficient government.

I will take Cruz with his 100% Conservative rating any fucking day. We need a guy like Cruz that will even go against the Liberals in his own party to stick with Constitutional principles of limited government.
http://www.heritageactionscorecard.com/members/member/C001098

Again, if you want our government bigger and more liberal "doing stuff" - Trump is your man.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 8, 9:39am

I think we want a Nationalist President, not another "Conservative" Ideologue.

Cruz is absolutely unelectable in the general election - and the GOPe knows it. They prefer another Bush-Clinton neoliberal like Hillary. AKA The Pro-Choice Female Romney.

Time to get behind the front-runner.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 8, 9:46am

By the way, how "Conservative" was Bush and the GOP when they bailed out the banks, after decades of claiming the market was at work and doing nothing when companies shut down and moved overseas?

228 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 9:52am

Cruz is absolutely unelectable in the general election - and the GOPe knows it.

Unlike Trump, Cruz is beating Hillary in the head to head polls. You do believe in polls don't you? Trump talks about them all the time.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

Unlike Trump who can't talk his way out of a paper bag when pressed on policy specifics, Cruz will run circles around Hillary at the debates.

229 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 9:58am

www.youtube.com/embed/XBG_w-tJB9E

Why do you keep spewing such bullshit?? Trump is the only one running that has ANY clue what a budget is... If anyone knows how to control costs, it's him better that all the other clowns in the show.

Huh? Did you even watch last week's debate? Specifically on budgets, Trump was exposed as knowing fuck-all about the size and scope of the Federal Government. It was embarrassing.

Watch at the 6:00 minute mark.

Trump even campaigns that he won't reform our out of control entitlement system. This is the single biggest liability our government has and is growing more and more unsustainable.
http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/why-donald-trump-wont-touch-your-entitlements

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 8, 9:59am

www.youtube.com/embed/77SyQ2Qn7c8

Trump even campaigns that he won't reform our out of control entitlement system. This is the single biggest liability our government has and is growing more and more unsustainable.

That's a loser, if you're referring to the pre-paid annuity and pre-paid health insurance programs. Please, Cruz, touch that 3rd Rail and get utterly zapped.

What has Cruz proposed about Soc Sec and Medicare?

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 8, 10:03am

Also, your Miami Clubbing Bottom has won ONE state, and comes in 3rd and 4th everywhere. I know Rubio Math counts 1st place as one point, and "show" as 3 points, but you need to win games in order to get to the Championship.

Cruz' position on Abortion and his Dominionist 7 Mountains Father who thinks religion should be upfront and foremost in Sports, Media, Government, etc. and has hours and hours of speechifying on that, which makes him unelectable. Hillary will use it to scare the piss out of everyone.

Cruz is distant 3rd in Ohio and Florida both.

Kasich will probably win Ohio by a hair - his first victory.

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MisdemeanorRebel 2016 Mar 8, 10:08am

Even send Catfish haul from Mississippi to China for processing. Not good, folks, not good.

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zzyzzx 2016 Mar 8, 11:06am

www.youtube.com/embed/jTV_nk3nzKU

is your support for Trump rooted in the goal to make the Republican party a more liberal and moderate party?

I support Trump because I do think Trump will Make America Great Again. He's going to do that by throwing out and keeping out illegal aliens, imposing tariffs that will keep or return manufacturing in the US, and do away with h1b's. If that's all Trump accomplishes, it will still be great. Jobs in the US will be plentiful and will most likely pay much more. But wait there is MORE!!! He will make healthcare pricing transparent (at least for some stuff), do away with some stupid education programs that are a waste of money (no child left behind, common core), and he wants to simplify the tax code (although I don't see that part passing any congress). In other words Trump actually has fixes for some of America's problems. None of the other presidential candidates (of either party) else seems to even WANT to do any of this. They are all for the status quo, which is out continual slide to third world country status.

I don't see how anyone could view throwing out illegals (thereby fixing the job market for low income Americans), building a wall (most likely making illegal drugs very difficult to obtain, while potentially putting Mexican druglords out of business), and (essentially) forcing anyone selling their stuff in the US to make it in the US as being liberal. In fact, I think forcing Toyota to make the Prius in the US would make most liberals piss in their pants.

234 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 11:14am

zzyzzx says

I support Trump because I do think Trump will Make America Great Again. He's going to do that by throwing out and keeping out illegal aliens, imposing tariffs that will keep or return manufacturing in the US, and do away with h1b's.

You sure about that? When you have a man like Trump that has no core and such a massive liberal history, how can you trust anything he says today? Especially when he flip flops on his major campaign promises in less than 24 hours? This the most conservative we will ever see Trump. If he wins the Republican nomination, he will run so far back to the Left our heads will spin.

235 socal2 2016 Mar 8, 11:36am