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And Trump is not your father okay? He doesn't care
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You have me confused for someone else. I'm not a Trump supporter.
marcus
2016 Aug 30, 9:32pm
These Hillary voters don't even know why they are supporting her.
I know why I'm supporting her. I don't even see her all that negatively, although I don't like listening to he speeches all that much. I think she will be a decent President if the asshole republicans don't spend all of their energy fighting her.
If the choice were between her and say Kasich, I would seriously consider Kasich, only because I think our system is so broken that it might take a republican to get things done. We wouldn't have to listen to the cry baby dysfunctional scum bag obstructionists 24/7.
Speaking of which, I'm not looking forward to that aspect of Hillary's presidency. It's not going to be fun.
Repealing Obamacare should be at the top of any free thinking, sensible Americans list. It is Republican legislation, written by corporate lobbyists and The Heritage Foundation, named after Obama in order to gain unquestioning support from the kind of Simpletons that go "dem good rep bad" without giving it any further thought.
Fortunately, obamacare is collapsing under the weight of its own shittiness as we speak. So we the people may just slip one past the plutocracy by default, without having to defeat Clinton to make it happen.
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 30, 9:39pm
Are you ready to defund Planned Parenthood? Keep Citizen's United? Expand campaign financing freedoms? Repeal Dodd-Frank? Do you deny man's impact on climate change? Ready to privatize and reduce Social Security? Like the flat rate tax idea? Back Israel against Iran? Expand NAFTA type deals? Against condoms? Against gay marriage? Against stem cell research?
And that would be just the administration. The Court would be even worse.
Assuming that epussy ultra is me ?
If so, I'll take that as a compliment, because jazz music is a very intelligent and savvy observer.
jesus h christ on a popsicle stick. how many accounts do you have here?
zzyzzx
2016 Aug 31, 9:27am
Found on the internet:
I saw two different Amish families in two different states last week, and both stopped to hand me anti-globalism booklets and tell me about Trump.
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 31, 10:51am
Found on the internet:
I saw two different Amish families in two different states last week, and both stopped to hand me anti-globalism booklets and tell me about Trump.
Found on the internet:
When I saw that both anti-globalism booklets were printed in Malaysia I told the families and they said I was too Politically Correct.
zzyzzx
2016 Aug 31, 11:02am
Marcus I get it how you feel about Crooked Hillary. But how can you not have the perception to understand that to most intelligent moderates, she acts like a corrupt, self-serving bitch and is simply too risky to be the person with their hand on the button?
junkmail
2016 Aug 31, 11:05am
Hey Patrick...Something is wrong with the site... All comments are now in italic...
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 31, 3:26pm
New North Carolina Poll:
https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/770684084502822912
Trump 45% (+2)
Clinton 43%
Johnson 8%
Stein 2%
They're just pissed because the Supreme Court won't let them rig state elections. But that doesn't stop the conservatards from trying like hell to do some REAL RIGGING.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Aug 31, 7:19pm
I wish you'd stop avoiding all the reasons why you "can't stand" Trump. Your random ticket takes you on a 40 year right-wing destruction of labor, civil rights, voting rights, marriage rights, education, pollution law, not to mention the abolition of teaching evolution in schools, the fairness doctrine, and talking about climate change. Details, details, these minor 'culture wars" are just so much fluff. There needs to be some punishin' a goin' hyar!
Let's start with Gay Marriage, one I know Hillary is a 100% flip-flopper on, and everyone but the Clinton Campaign admits.
Hillary was opposed to Gay Marriage even when she was the Senator from New York. Not until 2008, after several states she absolutely had to win to reach the Presidency started offering civil unions and marriages to gays, did she start slowly shifting. Her husband signed the Defense of Marriage Act into law in 1996. Jesus, she ran for President explicitly against gay marriage (by then her position had changed to "Maybe Civil Unions okay, but state issue.")
Her convo with Terry Gross has to be heard to believe, on her desperate revisionism of her long anti-Gay Marriage stance. Her excuse that the republican congress would have overridden Bill's veto on DOMA is absurd. So what if they did?
http://www.wnyc.org/story/tale-tape-hillary-clintons-gay-evolution/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hillary-clintons-gay-marriage-problem/372717/
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Aug 31, 7:40pm
Get ready for the "Post Labor Day" Bounce narrative.
If only somebody would leak either campaign's internal polling.
neplusultra57
2016 Aug 31, 7:54pm
I wish you'd stop avoiding all the reasons why you "can't stand" Trump. Your random ticket takes you on a 40 year right-wing destruction of labor, civil rights, voting rights, marriage rights, education, pollution law, not to mention the abolition of teaching evolution in schools, the fairness doctrine, and talking about climate change. Details, details, these minor 'culture wars" are just so much fluff. There needs to be some punishin' a goin' hyar!
Let's start with Gay Marriage
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've said this before, and after all this time you're mute on all the other "culture war" concessions you're willing to ignore for the sake of "getting shit done". Now you're onto # twenty on the cowardly question-begging. By the time the debates are over you'll be up to the mid-thirties. It's OK, I understand, you're defending a moron you "can't stand" who will abdicate the presidency to a VP you despise. If only Putin were Trump's VP you'd have a fall-back.
zzyzzx
2016 Sep 2, 6:21pm
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/trump-leads-five-points-iowa
Trump Leads By Five Points In New Iowa Poll
Donald Trump comes out ahead by five points in the latest Emerson College poll, surveying likely Iowa voters.
Trump polled ahead of Hillary Clinton, 44-39, with Libertarian Gary Johnson polling at 8 percent and Green Party candidate Jill Stein holding 1 percent.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Sep 2, 6:34pm
Anybody see Virginia? Last polls have Hillary ahead 1-2 pts. In Virginia, home of the DC bureaucrats in the burbs.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Sep 4, 9:52pm
But, once again, here is where it gets interesting. They had to over-sample Dems by 7 points just to get Hillary a 0.5% advantage.
That's some low energy Guacamole shit right there.
Notice we're not hearing much about Indy Voters this year... usually the MSM is obsessed with their vote... wonder why. :)
marcus
2016 Sep 4, 11:02pm
This thread is the delusion thread. And someone forgot to turn italics off. Now it's even italics in the comment box, that's okay, I went back and started this comment with the end italics tag, now it's good.
Carry on with your delusions.
Tenpoundbass
2016 Sep 5, 8:16am
Notice we're not hearing much about Indy Voters this year... usually the MSM is obsessed with their vote... wonder why. :)
This morning on the news it sounds like now Nate is trying to reverse Nate Trump's votes.
By saying his Independent and Undecided advantage filter he used to apply to HIllary may have given Trump an unfair advantage.
marcus
2016 Sep 5, 8:25pm
Time for this delusion thread to get it's monthly reality check. This time with RCs average of polls. (obviously most of them are rigged ?)
Let's see, at this time in 2012, Obama was up by, very little, it was almost tied. But then it went heavy in Obama's favor after that (maybe more poll rigging, right ?)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
How about 2008 ? Also close to tied at this point, then McCain was briefly ahead, before things swung strongly toward Obama.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
SO yeah, a lot of action in the last 8 weeks the last couple elections. Hey, Maybe Trump can pull an Obama, and get a lot of young coters, women, and minorities out for in the final stretch. OR perhaps there are a lot of old angry white voters that Trump hasn't reached yet ? We'll see. I'll check back with you after a couple of the debates have happened.
Again, as you were, back to your delusions.
marcus
2016 Sep 5, 9:15pm
Plus, the Margin of Error is 3% - 4%, so your chart has them dead even (even with the over-sampling).
Hah. King of the dimbulbs. It's the average of a bunch of polls that have a margin of error of about 3% on average. The margin of error on the average of all of these is going to be MUCH smaller.
But even if it were a 4% margin of error, your interpretation is stupid. IT would be just as likely that she's up 8% as up zero, but far more likely that she's up 4% than either of the extremes. But again, this is an average of a lot of polls with avg MOE of 3%. The margin of error on the average is probably under 1%.
Also, for the record, apparently you have close to no idea what margin of error means.
marcus
2016 Sep 5, 10:49pm
Okay, I'll answer one more of your trolls, you fricking moron.
You think the MOE of that table I posted is 3%?? Really? Then, somehow you extrapolated it DOWN to 1%?? Really??
No, I was responding to this (see the nine shaded polls)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
that go with my chart, see the shaded, the average MOE s about 3%.
you think the poll averages are determined by the Margin of Error and not the percentage of votes for each candidate?? Really?
No, I think that if you are looking at an average of polls number that represent the average of 9 different polls (see link) , the margin of error on that number, is going to be WAY lower than the average MOE of the nine separate polls. If you had any idea what margin of error means, you would not argue this.
This was a response to this:
Ironman says
Plus, the Margin of Error is 3% - 4%, so your chart has them dead even (even with the over-sampling).
Are you going to deny that you think or thought that you could apply a 3 to 4% MOE to "my chart ?" (not even now addressing why your application was very stupid).
But typical asshole CIC, knows he's wrong, so he's going to say I'm arguing something that I'm not. Actually I'm very sure that you have no idea why you're wrong. Why don't you read about margin of error and what it means, so you can feel like you learned something today.
Is it any wonder that I ignore 95% of your comments ?
marcus
2016 Sep 5, 11:44pm
Actually, it's a little interesting, so instead of finishing my work here, I'll explain a little. The interesting thing is, what would a margin of error on an average of polls even mean?
First what does it mean on an individual poll ? It depends on the confidence interval, and to understand that you should read about sampling distributions, but let's say they use a 95% confidence interval. Then a 3% margin of error means that if they conducted 1000s of different samples of the same size using the same methodology, 95% of these samples would result in a percentage within plus or minus 3% of the percentage found in the poll.
So how can you talk about the margin of error for an average of polls ? You can't really. But if you do, it would have to mean the value you got as an average for a number of polls, where all polls were repeated as complete sets. If 1000s of times, sets of polls are conducted, with different samples for each of the polls, using the same methodologies for each, then the margin of error would refer to a plus or minus estimate around the average you got, determining an interval in which the average would fall for say 95% of the times a set of polls was taken and averaged. This is a theoretical (see sampling distributions) of what the Math is describing.. All these thousands of sets of samples would come from the same population at the same time with the same unique methodologies for each of the different samples taken for each of the different polls. .
Without getting too deeply in to the math, it should be intuitively obvious that if say nine numbers are each bouncing randomly in an interval of plus or minus 3 each around specific values. The average of those nine numbers is bouncing around in a much smaller interval. (note: the possible interval may roughly the same but the interval the value is in 95% of the time is substantially narrower)
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2016 Sep 6, 6:08am
Trump is winning the most important race of all - the race to a giant audience for the most terrific media company ever.
junkmail
2016 Sep 6, 12:12pm
Not anymore, dickhead Pussy Ultra57 didn't close his HTML on italics...
Lol. Yeah but there should be an automatic php clean or tidy after every post.
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Rew
2016 Sep 6, 3:13pm
Trump is winning the most important race of all - the race to a giant audience for the most terrific media company ever.
Many would agree with that notion. He has hired the right mix of people into his staff, for sure.
He still has odds to hold onto Texas though. A great feat. ;)
marcus
2016 Sep 6, 6:55pm
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When does Marcus start crying???
So called independents are mostly republicans that don't want to admit it, because they know republicans these days are douchebags.
The reasons polls are adjusted in a way where more democrats are included, is that a huge percentage of those who identify as "independents" are actually republicans. They just don't want to admit it, because they know that republicans are often morons that listen to Fox News and Brietbart. So they call themselves "independents." I know some of these people. The funny thing is that a lot of them will vote for Trump, even though they hate him and think he's an idiot, and very risky, because of how much they've been programmed to hate Hillary. IF you ask them to defend their position on Hillary they can't. It's just a feeling.
Propaganda works.
But yes, I might have to do a little private crying, just I like I did on 9/11, if Trump wins. Since adolescence, I never cry because of physical pain, but I can be moved to cry by grief or extreme emotion. And yes Trumps election would be rough for me.
marcus
2016 Sep 6, 7:01pm
so I can get brutally punished by a troll moron for explaining something a little deeper than superficial
Yes. Such punishment. He really showed me.
Well, you can post paragraphs of absolute bullshit, which you're great at. Or, you can just go with the basic definition:
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Polling isn't an exact science which has many variables and errors, that's where the MOE gets figured in.... But you wouldn't understand that simple point.
When you look up *low information voter* in the dictionary, they have CIC's photo there.
zzyzzx
2016 Sep 6, 7:01pm
Latest Polls Show Trump Up or Tied in Blue States Iowa, Maine, Michigan, New Hampshire, Ohio and Wisconsin
The latest Reuters-Ipsos polling shows Republican Donald Trump up or tied with Hillary Clinton in several blue states.
** Iowa – Trump 44% – Clinton 41%
** Maine – Trump 42% – Clinton 42%
** Michigan – Trump 42% – Clinton 41%
** New Hampshire – Trump 45% – Clinton 44%
** Ohio – Trump 46% – Clinton 43%
** Wisconsin – Trump 38% – Clinton 38%
because of how much they've been programmed to hate Hillary. IF you ask them to defend their position on Hillary they can't. It's just a feeling.
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Why would anyone ever waste one second "programming " people to hate Hillary, when all it takes is for people to be exposed to her, hear her speak (lie), and they come to that conclusion all on their own.
You keep repeating this line that nobody can explain why. That it's just a feeling. However, infinite people have given infinite reasons and instances as to why, and strangely, you disregard every last one of them as rubbish. Every time. Why do you think that is?
Tenpoundbass
2016 Sep 6, 7:12pm
I looked over at RCP earlier they are keeping the faith. They have her up 15 or more on several polls.
marcus
2016 Sep 6, 7:16pm
given infinite reasons and instances as to why, and strangely, you disregard every last one of them as rubbish
Because I look at the infinite attempts to pin BS on her, like Vince Fosters Death, most the white house scandals, Beghazi. IT's mostly pure bull shit, and if you find non partisan objective types, say from other countries, they agree.
You're the perfect example, with your 150 IQ, I've asked you many times, PLEASE PLEASE just tell me what the few worst examples of her sliminess or lack of integrity are. You're 100% guaranteed to resort to some kind of supposed fuzzy logic, or something like "it's too obvious to have to explain it." What bullshit !!!
If you really had a 150 IQ, you would be able to see how incredibly laughable it is. How laughable you are, with your beliefs that have no foundation in facts or logic. . You really do depend a lot on those feelings of yours don't you ? By the way, are you female ?
No fucking way will you ever answer me, because you can't without making a moron out of yourself. I dare you to. Just the 3 worst things she's done. If it's because she never does REALLY bad shit, but it's just constant small bad stuff. Give me some representative examples.
marcus
2016 Sep 6, 7:24pm
I looked over at RCP earlier they are keeping the faith. They have her up 15 or more on several polls.
Those would be state polls. They have her down to 3.3% nationally on average of polls.
Trump needs to talk.
Just the 3 worst things she's done
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In no particular order
Rigged the primaries to defeat Bernie
Pay to play at State where she took money in exchange for political favors from as many unsavory actors as she could manage
Supported War in Iraq, and the domestic spying network
She sucks at everything. Not her marketing teams bullshit heap of lies on her campaign website. I mean her actions over the years, reality, what actually matters.
She approved a ton of shady arms deals
She's been against marriage equality forever
She's in bed with Wall Street. Literally
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And to be fair and equitable, I'll even say something nice.
She is as good a politician as we have ever seen. She can lie with the best of them. She can flip flop and do a 180 so fast, you never see it coming. She is great at sacrificing her own beliefs, in order to tell you what you want to hear. And she's not the Orange POS that's running as a RINO opposite her
marcus
2016 Sep 6, 9:23pm
Rigged the primaries to defeat Bernie
Ar we talking super delegates or what ? I disagree. Did she do something illegal ?
Pay to play at State where she took money in exchange for political favors from as many unsavory actors as she could manage
One or two real examples of this ? OR is it because Alex Jones and TPB said so ?
Supported War in Iraq, and the domestic spying network
Yes, that's annoying. But they had a lot of people convinced that was a good idea after 9/11 we were all traumatized.
As I thought. You could come up with as much on anyone that's been doing stuff in government for a long time. As for marriage equality. I was always fine with not using the word "marriage" and to use civil unions as long as they get marriage rights. Who cares ? The important thing is the rights, not that everyone else is willing to call them married. They're going to consider themselves and call themselves married even if it's a civil union with all the rights and benefits of marriage.
Yeah, she and Obama waited for the majority to be on board with marriage equality, which I would have probably done too. States were doing their thing. I have zero problem with that.
This country changed really fast on that issue. If people want to be critical of politicians for not leading the way better, that's stupid. It changed the way it should, from the bottom up, majority opinion.
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Hey HO! Ramos has got to GO!
This is what Liberal electioneering will get you, and trying to place every Latino on the Lbieral plantation in their place along side depressed gheto blacks that the Liberals kick back down every time they try to crawl out.
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