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Donald Trump's Orgy of Irresponsibility
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2016 Feb 25, 6:19am 34,659 views 136 comments
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Y
2016 Feb 25, 6:29am
Too many paragraphs.
My CRLF's are encountering too many blank lines.
You need to condense the opening post into one massive dictionaryfuck...
Paragraph length
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indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 6:37am
Gees getting awfully particular aren't we?
How is this:
"So far, we've fact-checked more than 70 Trump statements and rated fully three-quarters of them as Mostly False, False or 'Pants on Fire' (we reserve this last designation for a claim that is not only inaccurate but also ridiculous)."
Tenpoundbass
2016 Feb 25, 6:44am
People like Trump get over your overrated selves. You're overrated Trump is not.
Like that whining little snot whistle Rubio telling people how more electable he is, while people are steadily aspiring to elect Trump.
You're not going to over smart this and shame people into your train of thought. It's the anti Trump that are on the wrong side of History.
Donald Trump does not try to ingratiate himself by telling Americans how good they are. He does it by telling them it's commendable to be bad.
Oh yeah Dare to be great is bad in the Establishment's Liberal/Republican uniparty world.
How dare Donald tell people to be great, because that's bad. But gay sex in kids shows is great.
Go to hell fuckoff and die already Bush-Obama world. Your era has come and gone. You're done, if that time was your golden years and you loved living through those two bastards.
Well my sorry sack of shit friend, I've got miserable news for you. It's gonna suck balls for you bastards. Get used to it.
If Loving Trump is Bad, then I must be the Devil.
TPB holding the nose closed of the Bush-Obama erra (Shh shh it's OK pass gently...) grab his legs Trump!
Y
2016 Feb 25, 6:48am
The libbies are still sleeping...I'm just practicing...no offense
Gees getting awfully particular aren't we?
indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 6:49am
Fair enough, but at some point the rhetoric is going to get old and I see no real plan?
HydroCabron
2016 Feb 25, 6:49am
Liberal hack piece - they're just pissed because their political correctness bullshit rules forced Trump's hand. He has no choice.
If you want to place blame squarely where it belongs, point the finger at liberals. By definition, Trump cannot be responsible for this.
indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 6:51am
Liberal hack piece
Not hardly, this is from Reason magazine, i.e. staunch Libertarians.
HydroCabron
2016 Feb 25, 6:58am
Not hardly, this is from Reason magazine, i.e. staunch Libertarians
They attacked Trump. They're liberals. Checkmate.
Y
2016 Feb 25, 6:59am
Trump is the afterbirth of 8 years of libby PC dogma shoved up the ass of america.
libbies, despite all their PP expertise, have failed to abort Trump with the forceps of the MM.
Now that he's out of the womb there is no legal way to sell off his body parts.
Learn to live with your child libbies and all his foxbot addictions.
indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 7:01am
They attacked Trump. They're liberals. Checkmate.
Not that there is a viable alternative on either side, but a modicum of veracity would be nice, don't you think?
Tenpoundbass
2016 Feb 25, 7:03am
Trump the exact same person running the exact same campaign on the Democrat ticket, would be doing just as equally well.
Establishment hardliner haters are gonna hate.
indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 7:09am
Libertarians???? Did you look up the writer of the article?
..."Steve Chapman is a columnist and editorial writer for the Chicago Tribune."
Oops...
Fair enough, same question.
His tax plan would swell the federal budget deficit by $10 trillion over the next decade.
Statements like these are mostly conjecture as every partisan outlet has their own projection of how much revenue/deficit each tax plan will generate. We added that 10 trillion already under boosh and obummer, and under obummer while taxes were going UP! If they're going to add another 10 trillion then at least under Trump with less taxes. It's easy to win for Trump with his abysmal predecessors.
Like that whining little snot whistle Rubio telling people how more electable he is, while people are steadily aspiring to elect Trump.
You're not going to over smart this and shame people into your train of thought. It's the anti Trump that are on the wrong side of History.
They definitely are on the wrong side, but waking up to that reality is not easy.
How dare Donald tell people to be great, because that's bad. But gay sex in kids shows is great.
Go to hell fuckoff and die already Bush-Obama world. Your era has come and gone. You're done, if that time was your golden years and you loved living through those two bastards.
Agreed.
HydroCabron
2016 Feb 25, 8:01am
Not that there is a viable alternative on either side, but a modicum of veracity would be nice, don't you think?
Angie Drobnic Holan, a reporter for PolitiFact, wrote in December in The New York Times
Translation: Ethnic PC Elite, a reporter for the Jew York Times, says that by her skewed little un-American standards, Trump lied.
The problem is the goalposts: set by coastal elites backed by the Fed-Finance axis, they are skewed to find lies even where there is nothing but truth. But the horrors wrought by their central-banking ways are ignored in such rubrics.
indigenous
2016 Feb 25, 8:09am
The problem is the goalposts: set by coastal elites backed by the Fed-Finance axis, they are skewed to find lies even where there is nothing but truth. But the horrors wrought by their central-banking ways are ignored in such rubrics.
So Trump has a realistic plan?
HydroCabron
2016 Feb 25, 8:18am
So Trump has a realistic plan?
Hillary took huge speaking fees from Goldman Sachs, and sent classified information from a private e-mail account.
The brazen deceit Trump exhibits would be fatal to most candidates. Cruz, no slave to veracity, had to fire a spokesman for spreading the claim that Marco Rubio had disparaged the Bible. Trump would not have made that claim. He would have recalled the time Rubio spit on a Bible while wearing a Satan mask in the Grand Mosque of Mecca.
Trump's contempt for the truth is no impediment with a large segment of the Republican primary electorate, which has an adversarial relationship with reality. Two-thirds of Trump supporters think Barack Obama is a Muslim, a survey by Public Policy Polling found, and 61 percent think he was born abroad. Other candidates may decline to indulge voters who are ignorant or unhinged. But Trump is not bound by such dreary customs.
In every way, his campaign has been an orgy of irresponsibility. George W. Bush outraged his critics by waterboarding suspected terrorists, a method he insisted is not torture. Trump says it is torture—and its only drawback is being too gentle.
I can guarantee you that most of his supporters if born in another place and time such as soviet union or nazi germany would salute and cheer joseph stalin or adolph hitler. They are vulnerable to a cult of personality and need a bombastic orator to follow to soothe their totalitarian impluses. They are also subject to 2 freudian theories in psychoanalysis. First is projection. They have inferiority complex due to being "poorly educated" and the consequent economic difficulties that they face due to lack of studying and development of marketable skills. So, they lash out at mexicans for being "rapists and murderers and mexico not sending their best" as a way to alleviate the anxiety that comes from low self esteem and to keep it in the unconscious. Second, they likely have unresolved oedipal complex so identification with donald trump may be viewed as identification with authoritarian father figure who they hope will not punish them for mental transgressions and protect them instead.
Shaman
2016 Feb 25, 9:23am
the "highest taxed country in the world," claiming he vocally opposed the invasion of Iraq before it happened, and accusing Ted Cruz of having a "double passport."
See, these statements might not be totally completely accurate, but to the people they affect, they're close enough to truth to be relevant.
1) Highest taxed country: for the common plebes earning $100k (middle class nowadays) this is close to true. We have federal and state income taxes to pay, gas tax, phone tax, car tax, airport taxes, real estate taxes, sales taxes, and many many more. When you add it all up its more than 50% tax on the average consumer, which is way too damn high. For that we get what again? Some socialist countries might have slightly higher tax rates, but we are getting close to truth with that statement.
2)Trump is on record saying the Iraq war was a bad idea. Truth, tho the libbies will quibble on the meaning of "is."
3) Cruz was a double citizen of US and Canada until two years ago, so whether or not he had two passports, the meaning and implication of the statement conveys something true: he's not all American.
The Truth is whatever the judges say it is, and people who like Trump realize that this qualification is subject to politics. If you own the production of truth (because you own the media), then you can call anyone a liar.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Feb 25, 9:24am
Hillary, that noted Civil Libertarian, said Snowden is a Traitor. Backed Iraq, only embraced Gay Marriage after it was inevitable, etc.
Some hope for a reasonable, disciplined man who speaks rationally and engenders hope gets elected and somehow gets things done in the face of a hostile congress. We had that in Obama - he got very little accomplished in the face of the Republican Congress. And really, at the core he is a Blairite Big Business right-wing democrat.
Sometimes, you need a real populist asshole who has to judo the whole fucking Congress and make them fear for their re-election in order to get some shit done. Singles them out by name on TV and the Media covers it non-stop because it's controversial, until the Senator or Congressman caves in to the PR onslaught as their office is surrounded by Grey Panthers and Blue Collar people who throw eggs and rant obscenities at him. We have possibility that in Trump.
To fix shit, sometimes you need to unleash a bull in a China Shop and shake things up.
Hillary is just Kasich or Rubio in a pantsuit.
Trump the exact same person running the exact same campaign on the Democrat ticket, would be doing just as equally well.
Establishment hardliner haters are gonna hate.
So you agree that Trump is a no-nothing Liberal who could win as a Democrat?
His past actions of supporting Democrat positions, funding Democrat politicians and documented lies doesn't faze the Trump-bots one bit. Trump tells the Trump-bots what they want to hear - that's it.
It's like the Obama Cult we saw in 2008 where people just lap up his soaring rhetoric of "slowing the rise of our oceans". I think alot of Republican Trump boosters are going to be very disappointed if he manages to win the whole thing and reverts back to form.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Feb 25, 9:29am
His past actions of supporting Democrat positions, funding Democrat politicians and documented lies doesn't faze the Trump-bots one bit. Trump tells the Trump-bots what they want to hear - that's it.
Trump is exaggerating to win the election. One thing I know he believes in is fixing the Trade Deals. He's been hammering on that since the 80s.
That's what I want, and nobody else is talking about it. So I'm voting for what I want - not another empty suit fake liberal like Hillary or Obama.
Tenpoundbass
2016 Feb 25, 9:29am
So you agree that Trump is a no-nothing Liberal who could win as a Democrat?
No I agree that he is the only sensible candidate who is not a partisan hack who could have just as easily hijacked the Democrat party had he been invited to run if he didn't run as an Independent against the establishment Democrat favorite the last time.
Look Liberals don't get to conscript everyone that makes sense. If the Liberals were all that, then congress would be 100% Demcorat, and Obama would have been so fucking awesome that 90% of Ameirca would be petitioning for Obama to run for another 4 years.
Liberals trying hijack everyone that makes the least bit of sense, then bitches like a motherfucker when the person runs his own platform unsanctioned by them.
If Donald was a Democrat then I would be registered as one right, now wouldn't I?
Tenpoundbass
2016 Feb 25, 9:31am
His past actions of supporting Democrat positions, funding Democrat politicians and documented lies doesn't faze the Trump-bots one bit.
He funded everyone that's how business is done.
Here's a new way to look at. Perhaps Donald is tired of having to give a bunch self serving creeps millions of dollars on both sides of the isle, because it's what is expected and is the only way to business.
Think of Donald running as President, as a Billionaires way of disputing the bill. And wants to change the Washington accounting laws, of give a shitness.
I bet OUR bills start getting cheaper too.
Did Trump ever tell you he's got Smart people working for him?
That's the kind of people I want on my side, you idiots have fucked shit up enough.
Bring on the smart people Trump!
Trump is exaggerating to win the election. One thing I know he believes in is fixing the Trade Deals. He's been hammering on that since the 80s.
That's what I want, and nobody else is talking about it. So I'm voting for what I want - not another empty suit fake liberal like Hillary or Obama
I don't believe a president has authority to nullify or significantly modify trade deals. How exactly is he going to generate sufficient support in congress given his hostile personality rooted in personal attacks? And that's assuming that he actually believes in fixing trade deals instead of pandering to the disaffected to get elected which is highly doubtful to say the least.
I can guarantee you that most of his supporters if born in another place and time such as soviet union or nazi germany would salute and cheer joseph stalin or adolph hitler.
You're likely wrong here. People like Trump or parties like the EU skeptics / new patriotic parties rise due to dynasties of extreme establishment corruption and infringed civil liberties to begin with. It is certainly true that he whips up some good authoritarian talk in some instances, but people simply don't care because they they are being marginalized and oppressed on a daily basis by leftist and cultural-marxists force which hits home much closer to them than any other form of authoritarian force. The do care if they can get fired because of not addressing somebody by their gender-neutral pronoun or a baseless harassment charge, but they don't care if authoritarian forces are being unleashed onto illegal immigrants or terrorists. And they do care about their daily life and struggle with taxes. It's really quite simple, there is no need to introduce psycho-talk into this. Once the political elite has abandoned the rule of law and their constituency, the rise of protest movements and figures is a logical succession.
Trump killing rent seekers since July 2015
Hotel operators seek rent every day of the week.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Feb 25, 9:40am
I don't believe a president has authority to nullify or significantly modify trade deals. How exactly is he going to generate sufficient support in congress given his hostile personality rooted in personal attacks? And that's assuming that he actually believes in fixing trade deals instead of pandering to the disaffected to get elected which is highly doubtful to say the least.
It's unclear. The Constitution only says that Senate must approve treaties - says nothing about their abrogation. Several Presidents (Lincoln, McKinley, Carter) have abrogated Treaties without Senate input.
There's enough (lack of) clarity here for lawyers to have a field day. And Congress defeating NAFTA or TPP from abrogation is extremely unpopular with the majority of Dem, Rep, and Indy voters. Very easy for Trump to turn the pressure on high on this. Also, you have a potentially empty SCOTUS seat as leverage. "You want another Originalist? Great. Do what I want on trade or fuck your nominees."
Once the political elite has abandoned the rule of law and their constituency, the rise of protest movements and figures is a logical succession.
The perception of abandonment is itself a psychological phenomenon in this case. However, far from every american feels "abandoned." Things are not as clear cut as they were in soviet union when people basically knew that they were enslaved. Here in america the idea that freedom is being lost to the statists (as they are currently defined) is based more on sales pitch propaganda to which certain populations are more vulnerable.
Trump killing rent seekers since July 2015
Right!
"Donald J. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach describes itself as “one of the most highly regarded private clubs in the world,†and it is not just the very-well-to-do who want to get in.
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.
In all but a handful of cases, Mar-a-Lago sought to fill the jobs with hundreds of foreign guest workers from Romania and other countries."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
But....but.....but he "said" he is against illegal aliens and foreigners taking our jobs!
I think you are going to be very disappointed when Trump leaves you at the alter and reneges on all his promises. Virtually his entire life is the opposite of what he is telling the Trump cult over the last few months.
Trump is for Trump - that's it.
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Feb 25, 9:47am
But....but.....but he "said" he is against illegal aliens and foreigners taking our jobs!
Who allowed that system to be created? The GOPe and DNCe, that's who.
This is like blaming some company that is the last to leave the States long after all it's competitors move abroad. At some point, if all your competition is using labor arbitrage, you have to do the same or you'll be uncompetitive.
Who allowed that system to be created? The GOPe and DNCe, that's who.
See - it doesn't matter to Trump fans that Trump's ACTIONS are the opposite of his rhetoric and that he constantly lies.
The GOPe and DNCe made him do it!
It doesn't matter. A GOPe or DNCe candidate will be business as usual. I choose the wildcard.
Blind faith - just like the Obama cult of 2008. How has that worked out for us?
MisdemeanorRebel
2016 Feb 25, 10:09am
Blind faith - just like the Obama cult of 2008. How has that worked out for us?
What trade treaties is the GOP Senate planning on renegotiating? How come the GOP Senate hasn't abrogated NAFTA in the past 20 years? DO tell.
What happened to the wall and all the anti-immigration promises over the past 15 years? GOP hasn't controlled or split both Houses since the 90s?
Didn't have both a Republican President, Republican Congress, and a split Senate for several years during "W"?
Seem to have no problem expanding H1-B visas or lengthening patents to 1000 years.
What trade treaties is the GOP Senate planning on renegotiating? How come the GOP Senate hasn't abrogated NAFTA in the past 20 years? DO tell.
I am not worried about trade treaties and think it is foolish to think we can drag back 19th and 20th century manufacturing jobs to America in a globalized world. Our trade output is higher now than before NAFTA and output per man hour is much higher thanks to automation.
We do have a big trade deficit, but roughly half of that is due to oil imports. And dopey trade protectionist policies are the reason we couldn't export our oil abroad which we now have plenty of thanks to frackers.
Y
2016 Feb 25, 10:42am
LOL...
Think of Donald running as President, as a Billionaires way of disputing the bill. And wants to change the Washington accounting laws, of give a shitness.
Y
2016 Feb 25, 10:58am
That's the beauty of the 2nd amendment.
Civilians in the countries that morphed into dictatorships did not have the depth of armaments to prevent this.
You're going to compare community organizer, half term senator Obama's accomplishments and background to Trump's accomplishments?
Really??
Trump is a trust-fund baby. Who couldn't make millions in US real estate when given that much money by one's father?
And about those famous "Trump Deals" he is constantly bragging about. Lots and lots of problems when you look under the hood. No wonder Trump tries to sue anyone that investigates his wealth claims?
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-24/a-look-inside-trump-s-global-deals-exposes-trouble-in-many-spots
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Trump is going to get absolutely murdered by the Liberal sycophant media in the General Election when they start hitting him with all the sleazy shit that the Republican establishment has inexplicably refused to bring up in the primary.
The media are holding their fire hoping Republicans are dumb enough to nominate Trump. Just wait until the Democrats start playing up how Trump literally brags in his books that he likes to sleep with married women. Trump is an UNREPENTANT adulterer and dumb as fuck evangelicals and so called social conservatives are flocking to him because they are in thrall of his celebrity.
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Jimmy Carter knew that one way to win the trust of the citizenry was to appeal to their moral vanity. He was elected president in 1976 promising "a government that is as good and honest and decent and competent and compassionate and as filled with love as are the American people."
Donald Trump does not try to ingratiate himself by telling Americans how good they are. He does it by telling them it's commendable to be bad. His campaign is not so much a challenge to prevailing standards as a rejection of all standards.
Other candidates fudge, exaggerate, and mislead, but they operate within accepted limits on dishonesty. Trump denies truth and embraces falsehood. He can't be proven wrong because he and his followers deny the authority of facts. He encourages his audiences to trust what they feel—and nothing else.
"Donald J. Trump's record on truth and accuracy is astonishingly poor," Angie Drobnic Holan, a reporter for PolitiFact, wrote in December in The New York Times. "So far, we've fact-checked more than 70 Trump statements and rated fully three-quarters of them as Mostly False, False or 'Pants on Fire' (we reserve this last designation for a claim that is not only inaccurate but also ridiculous)."
That was before a new parade of fictions—saying the United States is the "highest taxed country in the world," claiming he vocally opposed the invasion of Iraq before it happened, and accusing Ted Cruz of having a "double passport." Making stuff up is at the core of his campaign.
Of 96 Trump statements scrutinized by PolitiFact at last count, only seven were true. By contrast, Hillary Clinton, whom Republicans regard as a habitual liar, sticks to the facts slightly more than half the time, according to the fact-checkers.
The brazen deceit Trump exhibits would be fatal to most candidates. Cruz, no slave to veracity, had to fire a spokesman for spreading the claim that Marco Rubio had disparaged the Bible. Trump would not have made that claim. He would have recalled the time Rubio spit on a Bible while wearing a Satan mask in the Grand Mosque of Mecca.
Trump's contempt for the truth is no impediment with a large segment of the Republican primary electorate, which has an adversarial relationship with reality. Two-thirds of Trump supporters think Barack Obama is a Muslim, a survey by Public Policy Polling found, and 61 percent think he was born abroad. Other candidates may decline to indulge voters who are ignorant or unhinged. But Trump is not bound by such dreary customs.
In every way, his campaign has been an orgy of irresponsibility. George W. Bush outraged his critics by waterboarding suspected terrorists, a method he insisted is not torture. Trump says it is torture—and its only drawback is being too gentle.
"I think we should go much stronger than waterboarding," he said. In his view, "nothing should be taken off the table." Any form of sadism you can imagine, Trump will happily consider.
Terrorist suspects are not the only ones at risk of brutality. When someone disrupted his rally, Trump wished for the days of old, when a protester "would be carried out on a stretcher."
His anathema for Muslims, like his taste for torture, knows no bounds. He called for a "complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." He fondly recalled an American general who, according to a doubtful legend, executed Muslim prisoners using bullets dipped in pig's blood.
For some reason, his glorification of hatred and violence appeals to many evangelical Christians, whose savior preached the golden rule. Saintly attributes, in his eyes, are for suckers. Trump tells his supporters that their most vicious impulses should not be suppressed.
Even on less visceral matters, Trump sees boundaries as something to violate without compunction. His tax plan would swell the federal budget deficit by $10 trillion over the next decade. His insistence that this approach will bring the economy roaring back will convince only those who need no convincing. Like his other policies, it treats recklessness as a virtue.
Some politicians think that, on occasion, exceptions have to be made to our observance of civilized norms. Trump wants to toss those civilized norms on a bonfire. He's found plenty of Americans just dying to light the match.
http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/25/donald-trumps-orgy-of-irresponsibility