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Vaccination against meningitis is pretty much nowhere mandatory anymore, so this hasn't much to do with anti-vaxxers, but with lack of common sense to see an MD and get your kid tested when it is seriously sick. I also assume that everybody attacking the parents - and most would say rightfully so - would also be against abortion, where you actually kill a healthy baby.

Dan8267 says

such as smoothies containing hot pepper, ginger root, horseradish, onion and apple cider vinegar

They should be on trial. This is fucking idiotic and probably could be considered torture.

Dan8267 says

When it comes to anything important, go with science, not culture. This toddler died because his parents valued their culture over science.

His parents were stupid. Manslaughter charges please.

bob2356 says

They should be on trial. This is fucking idiotic and probably could be considered torture.

Welcome to religion.

Strategist says

His parents were stupid. Manslaughter charges please.

Punishment is irrelevant. The whole point of legal punishment is to act as an incentive to not do what is being punished. If losing a child isn't incentive enough, nothing the courts can impose would be incentive.

The problem is not incentive to do the right thing. The problem is ignorance and bad decision making caused by irrationality, whether that irrationality is based on religion, culture, or politics. The only solution to this problem is a strong cultural embrace of rationality and a rejection of all things irrational.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

His parents were stupid. Manslaughter charges please.

Punishment is irrelevant. The whole point of legal punishment is to act as an incentive to not do what is being punished. If losing a child isn't incentive enough, nothing the courts can impose would be incentive.

An example must be set for other wanna be wackos.

Dan8267 says

The problem is not incentive to do the right thing. The problem is ignorance and bad decision making caused by irrationality, whether that irrationality is based on religion, culture, or politics. The only solution to this problem is a strong cultural embrace of rationality and a rejection of all things irrational.

We are getting there in bits and pieces. The religious right are getting torn to bits this election year.

Strategist says

An example must be set for other wanna be wackos.

You might as well set an example to bees by killing one that stings you.

Instinct and irrational behavior cannot be reduced by rational incentives. The very basis of such thinking assumes rational behavior. With religion and cultural biases, you simply do not have such thought.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

An example must be set for other wanna be wackos.

You might as well set an example to bees by killing one that stings you.

Instinct and irrational behavior cannot be reduced by rational incentives. The very basis of such thinking assumes rational behavior. With religion and cultural biases, you simply do not have such thought.

We could force the church into not preaching this behavior in the first place. Shut down any church that preaches this nonsense. As far as I am concerned the church and the pastor are accomplices to manslaughter.

Strategist says

We could force the church into not preaching this behavior in the first place. Shut down any church that preaches this nonsense. As far as I am concerned the church and the pastor are accomplices to manslaughter.

There's a shitload of evils that religion advocates.

And one can also blame Jenny McCarthy for this.

Not that I disagree. But hey, homosexuality is deadly too. Breeds all kinds of STD's, AIDS, just bad stuff. You boys should really cut it out.

FortWayne says

But hey, homosexuality is deadly too. Breeds all kinds of STD's, AIDS, just bad stuff.

No, you're thinking of maleness. Maleness causes rampant sexual behavior and results in STDs like AIDS. We need to ban maleness.

(By the way, I'm being sarcastic about the banning part. I'm telling you that explicitly because I realize you're not smart enough to figure that out.)

More people die of obesity-related disease than by terrorism and STDs combined. We should ban sugar. Of course, that means no more sweet tea.

Dan8267 says

smoothies containing hot pepper, ginger root, horseradish, onion and apple cider vinegar

This sounds more like a power drink than a medicinal cocktail. Sure, if your kid is healthy and wants to run the Miracle mile than this may do the trick but for a serious infection, get real!

That is just so sad. Poor baby. These people aren't criminals as much as supreme idiots. You have to wonder why hospitals don't go over this kind of stuff before letting people leave with babies. You know, just a basic course with a little test at the end. Not difficult stuff... Just stuff like:

Do you put a baby in a hot tub?
Do you give alcohol to a baby?
Do milkshakes cure meningitis?

Dan8267 says

More people die of obesity-related disease than by terrorism and STDs combined.

Well if we are gonna try to save lives, according to liberals we should ban something. Liberals like banning stuff, guns, pepsi cola, speaking your mind, you name it. So why don't we start banning stuff liberals like that would in fact save lives... we can start with banning homosexuality and work out some sort of public awareness deal about healthy diet since you really shouldn't ban food. I know it's tempting to ban food Dan, but you really shouldn't. Would save lives, and make liberals run for the hills at the same time. Clearly no downsides to this.

Dan8267 says

Instinct and irrational behavior cannot be reduced by rational incentives. The very basis of such thinking assumes rational behavior. With religion and cultural biases, you simply do not have such thought

Absolutely not true. If it was true, criminals would still carry guns in large numbers, illegally, once penalties for doing so increase 3 fold. But that doesn't happen and illegal gun arrests drop 60-80% in justifications that start turning over felon with gun cases to the feds(which has mandatory 15 year sentence)

FortWayne says

we can start with banning homosexuality

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Let them be.

Strategist says

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Let them be.

All the aids and other social damage that spills over, might as well ban it. Besides it's way more fun to start the threat of it, but to never actually ban it. Keeps liberals busy defending instead of banning something, since they are sort of ban happy when left alone. You give a liberal 10 minutes to think, and their thoughts will instantly drift into banning something again. You got to keep those bums on their toes.

FortWayne says

You give a liberal 10 minutes to think, and their thoughts will instantly drift into banning something again. You got to keep those bums on their toes.

LOL. I'm a liberal, I don't think like that.

For those just tuning in, Forthood/Fortwayne can't help turning nearly any discussion to homosexuality, which returns daily to his mind, irresistibly, like a hunky teamster at the Reseda truck stop toilet, and Forthood just can't quit. Forthood, if you want to ban something that spreads STDs, start with religion. Also, 90% of all HIV infections worldwide result from heterosexual transmission, and occur mainly in religious countries where the Vatican prohibits condoms. So, you could reduce STDs much more dramatically by banning religion.

Also, when Forthood says "liberals", he means leftists. He doesn't bother to say what he means, and as a result he doesn't really mean what he says. It's like using a Reagan avatar, when in fact both Ron and Nancy Reagan invited gay couples to stay in the Reagans' homes, including a gay couple who stayed in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House. As Dan has written elsewhere, unnecessarily banning things is illiberal, though I have noticed some people who call themselves liberal aren't really.

curious2 says

Forthood/Fortwayne can't help turning nearly any discussion to homosexuality, which returns to his mind daily daily, irresistably, like a hunky teamster at the Reseda truck stop toilet, and Forthood just can't quit.

Perhaps we should start referring to him as Kevin Swanson.

Weird beliefs=dead kids. What else is new, you can't cure stupid and superstitious when it has been consolidated into a religion.

Ceffer says

Weird beliefs=dead kids. What else is new, you can't cure stupid and superstitious when it has been consolidated into a religion.

When I first saw this thread, before getting distracted by the closet case Forthood, I had wanted to mention Typhoid Marcus, aka "humanity," who claims to teach elementary school kids but refused to get vaccinated against H1N1 when it was killing children that age. (S)he didn't even cite a religious (or anti-vax) belief. Instead, (s)he claimed (s)he didn't need to get vaccinated because (s)he hadn't become infected in the past, which suggests (s)he cannot understand probabilities between 0 and 1. (Marcus/Humanity also cannot understand ordinal numbers and logic, which makes it impossible for me to believe that (s)he is a math teacher, but that's another story.) If Forthood/Fortwayne cared about protecting children as he claims, he would worry more about anti-vaxxers bringing potentially lethal contagions into public schools, rather than his particular obsession.

FortWayne says

Well if we are gonna try to save lives, according to liberals we should ban something.

You are such a god-damn hypocrite. This whole argument started with YOU saying we should ban homosexuality. You also favor the ban of various drugs including non-harmful ones like pot, and you are OK with using violence to impose that will.

FortWayne says

Liberals like banning stuff, guns, pepsi cola, speaking your mind, you name it. So why don't we start banning stuff liberals like that would in fact save lives

You mean like guns, soda, and beer? Those three things are related to most of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. Homosexuality is not.

FortWayne says

we can start with banning homosexuality and work out some sort of public awareness deal about healthy diet since you really shouldn't ban food.

You cannot ban homosexuality any more you can ban heterosexuality. You could unjustly make it illegal like the Nazis did and ISIS does today. You can execute homosexuals like those assholes do, but that won't stop gay people from having sex anymore than anti-prostitution laws stopped straight men from having sex with hookers. All you are doing is demonstrating that you are no different than ISIS.

As to your other proposal, soda and beer are not food. They have no nutritional value, so you're allegation that anyone is proposing to ban food is a ridiculous red herring. One could easily ban sugar additives, high fructose corn syrup, trans-fats, and fast-food while there are plenty of healthy and legal alternatives. Doing so would save far more lives than even the most generous estimates of the war on drugs and, unlike the war on drugs, would not kill multitudes of people.
FortWayne says

Strategist says

Homosexuality does not hurt anyone. Let them be.

All the aids and other social damage that spills over, might as well ban it.

No, you're thinking of religion. As your posts demonstrate, religion causes much destruction of life and liberty.

dodgerfanjohn says

Dan8267 says

Instinct and irrational behavior cannot be reduced by rational incentives. The very basis of such thinking assumes rational behavior. With religion and cultural biases, you simply do not have such thought

Absolutely not true. If it was true, criminals would still carry guns in large numbers, illegally, once penalties for doing so increase 3 fold. But that doesn't happen and illegal gun arrests drop 60-80% in justifications that start turning over felon with gun cases to the feds(which has mandatory 15 year sentence)

The reduction in crime has been a reduction in crimes committed for rational reasons like financial gain. Crimes of passion have not decreased. Crimes motivated by irrational hatred and religion have actually increased over the past twenty years as religious fever has increased in parts of the world.

No person thinking that a fictitious god is going to reward him with 72 virgins and eternal life in paradise is going to be dissuaded by the punishments of man.

curious2 says

For those just tuning in, Forthood/Fortwayne can't help turning nearly any discussion to homosexuality, which returns daily to his mind, irresistibly, like a hunky teamster at the Reseda truck stop toilet, and Forthood just can't quit. Forthood, if you want to ban something that spreads STDs, start with religion. Also, 90% of all HIV infections worldwide result from heterosexual transmission, and occur mainly in religious countries where the Vatican prohibits condoms. So, you could reduce STDs much more dramatically by banning religion.

Particularly, his religion. Of course the hypocrite will never address this fact.