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dublin hillz says

Attacking the source will not change the statements that the candidate that you support made. Deflection fails!

Not a deflection - a statement of fact. The most recent article by Kevin Williamson is an attack on the tens of millions of working class Americans.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2016_03/wherein_the_national_review_co059926.php
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/rick-manning-national-reviews-vile-cover-story-attack-on-working-class-americans-is-morally-reprehensible/

The GOP Establishment is now totally naked thanks to Trump; anti-working class, seeing them only as useful idiots in order to get a bombing or invasion going.

Why that Donald Trump and his low-brow rotten hick lumpenprole dirty dogs...

tatupu70 says

Can't tell from your answer if you agree with Trump's sentiment or not?

There is no sentiment to be comment upon, only a statement of fact. He was asked about Tianamen square and was correct in saying the Chinese put it down with a "Vicious... Horrible" show of force - he condemned with words that leave no uncertain terms. Of course the NRO emphasized the force in subsequent paragraphs and glossed over his clear moral judgement of the force as evil.

So I agree with Trump, force is sometimes necessary. Too bad Allende didn't listen to several willing Generals and Colonels who were willing to crush the coup plotters. The same Establishment people who bemoan populism on one hand and "Tyranny!" on the other would launch a coup without a second thought if their standing in society was threatened by reforms and a clear democratic mandate.

Just like South Korea in the 80s put down democracy protesters, killing more than 160. And Bahrain, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia put down Shi'a and Democracy Protesters all the time using maximum deadly force.

When the chicken littles who think a NY Real Estate Developer whose first born daughter is married into and converted to Judaism and going to be the next Fuhrer, start pointing out Hillary's long and deep connections with horrible Despotic, Arbitrary, Rule-of-Law Free Gulf States, I'll take their criticisms more seriously.

Note also the scraping of the barrel by pulling a single answer from Playboy Q&A, 17 years ago. Desperation!

thunderlips11 says

Too bad Allende didn't listen to several willing Generals and Colonels who were willing to crush the coup plotters.

While Pinochet was obviously a tyrant, a brutal dictator and a human rights violator, at the time most of the world was caught up in a proxy cold war and leaders were acting paranoid. Today, Chile enjoys a higher standard of living than its neighbors and parts of the country have comparable standard of living to 1st world nations which is more than we can say of Peru, Venezuela, etc. Moreover, Allende was far from universally supported in Chile and many older locals consider him their worst president in history.

tatupu70 says

Can't tell from your answer if you agree with Trump's sentiment or not?

Logically everybody should agree with his 'sentiment' as printed above. There is no moral evaluation in the statement at all, just observable facts.

mell says

Logically everybody should agree with his 'sentiment' as printed above. There is no moral evaluation in the statement at all, just observable facts.

We'll have to disagree on that one.

thunderlips11 says

Yes, because NPR at least attempts to be unbiased.

Not in my lifetime. It's just SLIGHTLY less left leaning bias than Huffington Post or VOX. The same rhetoric with just a touch less volume.

mmmarvel says

thunderlips11 says

Yes, because NPR at least attempts to be unbiased.

Not in my lifetime. It's just SLIGHTLY less left leaning bias than Huffington Post or VOX. The same rhetoric with just a touch less volume.

I listen to it from time to time in the car. The other day a democratic and republican strategist were invited and the bias of the questions was so clear to elicit responses negative towards Trump that it wasn't even funny anymore. But the worst came from the democrat 'strategist', who basically claimed that any laws to strengthen security against terrorism including even slight profiling would lead to more and "legitimate" violence, basically condoning violent attacks just because you may feel profiled. This country is in deep leftoid shit.

mell says

This country is in deep leftoid shit.

That hyperbolic or do you really believe that? With regards to the NPR segment, what was the topic, more specifically than Trump, or do you remember the analysts names? I'd love to listen to it to see what I might feel or interpret.

I also have a small hunch you may need to re-calibrate what center is. I think you may have gotten used to a rightward leaning political shift in the past 10 years.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2004

I unfortunately think at this time in America, large portions of what people perceive as being left, is actually toward center. Or, at this risk of being called an elitist lefty pink-o commie, sometimes it's simply just someone stating facts that is called left.

So, is NPR really left leaning? It's worth examining right. A pretty long study by media matters is that tone may be a little left from NPR, but when challenged there was no real bias people could point to that could be exemplary. Those that identify as Liberal even think NPR leans right at times (especially when a Repub is in office).

http://www.wnyc.org/story/235601-does-npr-have-a-liberal-bias/

What news outlets do you think are better at presenting unbiased reporting? I'd love to add to my news sources.

Right now I have a pretty steady diet of http://bigstory.ap.org

Rew says

That hyperbolic or do you really believe that? With regards to the NPR segment, what was the topic, more specifically than Trump, or do you remember the analysts names? I'd love to listen to it to see what I might feel or interpret.

I also have a small hunch you may need to re-calibrate what center is. I think you may have gotten used to a rightward leaning political shift in the past 10 years.

NPR is not so bad at times but it has gotten worse since Trump entered the field. The segment was about the Brussels events (here and now I believe) and it was a well-know Anti-Trump NPR employee (Robin Young). That in itself is not that frightening, many people don't like Trump, however the democratic strategist flat out denied any connections to Islam and condoned more violence following anything that could be interpreted as profiling.

Rew says

I unfortunately think at this time in America, large portions of what people perceive as being left, is actually toward center. Or, at this risk of being called an elitist lefty pink-o commie, sometimes it's simply just someone stating facts that is called left.

There were ZERO facts in it. Even many liberal/left-leaning posters on here have multiple times clearly demonstrated the clear connection between terror and Islam throughout history - with few periods where it actually was peaceful. I listen to NPR even if I don't agree with many guests as I said above, it used to be decent, but there has been a clear shift recently. Also I don't mind a liberal bias in the sense of the original liberalism which would be by today's standard mostly conservative/libertarian.

Rew says

What news outlets do you think are better at presenting unbiased reporting? I'd love to add to my news sources.

Right now I have a pretty steady diet of http://bigstory.ap.org

It is difficult these days since they all depend on funding from their masters more than ever and have to be careful not to piss-off the social justice and social media warriors. I think it is more about getting your data from different sources but keeping their biases in mind and then cross-referencing them all to make up the average while applying commons sense to obvious outliers. For example RT has decent reports with an obvious pro-Russia bias, breitbart is good especially now as they fight within themselves which gives them more plurality (similar to the plurality we see fro the Republicans which people seem to so abhor but I cherish). As I said I'd keep NPR in as well.

The funny thing about the anti-Trump bias is that Trump is far more aligned with the center than Cruz, but the simple fact that he is smashing political correctness to pieces and rightfully so in many matters makes NPR now look Cruz (who is publicly a far-right religious outlier) better than Trump.

Ironman says

mell says

I think it is more about getting your data from different sources but keeping their biases in mind and then cross-referencing them all to make up the average while applying commons sense to obvious outliers.

Exactly right.... "A mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open"... unfortunately, the libbies won't consider a different source of information and their minds are totally shut!!

It is interesting to see how well the propaganda has worked. I wonder how many more innocent citizens need to die by terrorism before they stop posting stupid memes like 'the majority of terrorist attacks on american soil are perpetrated by white Christians' and start thinking about percentages, using logic and math and come to the conclusion that nobody wants or deserves to live in a radicalized shithole neighborhood fearing for the safety of their family. The reaction to Brussels was almost non-existent as we become numb to the daily violence while people should be taking the pitchforks to their leaders and demand their country back. The blood of the victims is on the globalist appeasement-politicians and social justice warriors hands.

Tenpoundbass says

Well I found Trump's statement to be inline with most Chinese people that I've met.

So when you meet chinese people you ask them how they feel about the way that the Chinese government handled the whole Tienanmen Square protest ?

Thanks for the thoughtful comments on the media.

mell says

The reaction to Brussels was almost non-existent as we become numb to the daily violence while people should be taking the pitchforks to their leaders and demand their country back.

The reaction to Brussels was immediate solidarity, identifying the brothers who perpetrated the attack and hunting down those they associated with. Belgian authorities still raiding locations today. Obama came on national TV pledging to make ISIS his top priority until the end of his term. I guess, I see things different here. Seems like a pretty big reaction, and on the whole, proportional.

Who took whose country? You think the Belgian's are in danger of being overthrown?

Rew says

The reaction to Brussels was immediate solidarity, identifying the brothers who perpetrated the attack and hunting down those they associated with.

Yeah, but there's too many of them. This was foreseeable from their open borders immigration policy. It has been probably 20 years since I have been to Brussels but even back then the shift was already very noticeable. Many larger cities in Europe have undergone similar changes.

Rew says

Who took whose country? You think the Belgian's are in danger of being overthrown?

There has always been a nationalist, anti-immigration (on a large scale) part of Belgium which has done better crime-wise and on an economic scale, but has been demonized by the media. Maybe people will rethink now. It's easy for us to say those reactions are enough, but you have to keep in perspective that Europe is much smaller and more densely populated than the US. People are afraid of living and going out in their neighborhoods (esp. jewish and women), even though the media may portray this otherwise.

http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/europes-far-right-point-fingers-after-brussels-attacks/

Why arn't you double slashing the libby identifiers? Your post appears biased until...

HEY YOU says

Trump's not the problem,it's the dumb ass Rep/Con/Tea voters.

Same to you,loony,leftwingnut voters.

Their is a general anti-immegration wave sweeping the world now, right? Economics and terrorism being potent fear makers and core sources of that feeling. It's all but washed over one of the core myths/principals of the US, "Give me your tired, your poor ... ". It says volumes when authoritarians capture such populist anger that the US, a nation of immigrants dependent on immigration for growth for the entire history of the country, is swept up in it.

mell says

People are afraid of living and going out in their neighborhoods (esp. jewish and women), even though the media may portray this otherwise.

Sources?

I don't think we have become "desensitized". I think another terror attack on US soil, of large enough scale, would push a transformation through the country where the US wouldn't resemble itself much at all, anymore. We haven't done anything in the post 9-11 era to prevent overreaction by the government. I think we would be a police state in a year or two after "the next big one".

I find that reality far more threatening than ISIS because, domestic or foreign, "the next big one" will come. No wall or immigration policy will stop it.

Rew says

It says volumes when authoritarians capture such populist anger that the US, a nation of immigrants dependent on immigration for growth for the entire history of the country, is swept up in it.

Rew says

I think we would be a police state in a year or two after "the next big one".

This is a point often made that simply doesn't hold true for anti-immigration politics. If you put strict immigration policies in place to begin with, you will never need to monitor your society. This is not about the police state, but simply about throwing people out and keeping people out that are not good for the country. It used to be common sense that non-citizens do not have the same rights as citizens and have special responsibilities as guests in another country, today it's the opposite and that's the problem.

mell says

This country is in deep leftoid shit.

Actually this country is in DEEP doo-doo no matter the party. Just glad I don't have long for this world.

I've been saying this for a while: "a ten point swing can happen overnight." A big Islamic terror attack in October, or even several smaller ones before then would certainly give us a President Trump in November voting.
No other candidate has made the kind of stance against Islam that's needed to protect America.

mmmarvel says

mell says

This country is in deep leftoid shit.

Actually this country is in DEEP doo-doo no matter the party. Just glad I don't have long for this world.

Not fond of the right either, but middle-to-upper class Christian (leaning) male Caucasians are certainly threatened most by the lobotomized loony left at the moment. And if one has kids in the game the problem extends beyond ones sole existence.

mmmarvel says

Not in my lifetime. It's just SLIGHTLY less left leaning bias than Huffington Post or VOX. The same rhetoric with just a touch less volume.

Vox is fuckin' horrible.

mell says

Not fond of the right either, but middle-to-upper class Christian (leaning) male Caucasians are certainly threatened most by the lobotomized loony left at the moment. And if one has kids in the game the problem extends beyond ones sole existence.

Exactly. It's routine to hear about Rednecks, Dumb Whites, Stale Pale White Males. If any mainstream media organ attacked any other ethnicity with such vitriol it would be branded racist.