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I think it's a high probability.

There will have to be. Who is going to be able to get the necessary delegates at this point? After the first ballot and the first group of delegates go unbound, it will be very interesting to see what the do. It won't be a problem if they go with the person who had the highest number of delegates to date... but if they try to go with number two or three...

What are they going to do to keep Kasich in this thing? The Ron Paul change added the 8-state requirement, which Kasich hasn't met. It won't surprise me if that rule disappears so they can keep Kasich. My money is on him as the compromise candidate.... then Cruz... and finally Trump (but only by force).

The Russian mob will putsch Trumpligula's opposition.

I probably should have asked this another way.

Will they convention out everyone and pick Paul Ryan, since 1237 looks hard now to get for Trump... Or do they run the convention game plan around Cruz to make sure Trump doesn't get in

I've changed my mind and think it's going to be Cruz---he's stacked the convention with delegates that will vote for him on the 2nd ballot. If Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, I don't see how it's not Cruz.

This is going to destroy the GOP, LOL.

A fitting ratfucking end to America's Shittiest Party.

tatupu70 says

I've changed my mind and think it's going to be Cruz

Levin today went #NeverTrump I am sure more and more of Cruz's people will go that route and make a push to contest him as the guy.

Both of them are horrible general election candidates as many Republicans like myself simply won't vote either.

In the fishing village world of things, the pirate party is winning in Iceland Yarrrr

Logan Mohtashami says

Both of them are horrible general election candidates as many Republicans like myself simply won't vote either.

So does that mean you'll vote for whomever the democrat candidate is?
I mean I agree that both candidates are bad but either one is better than anything on the democrat side.
So will you vote for the democrat candidate or just not vote at all?

I agree with the HuffPo analysis. Kasich/Rubio will emerge as the nominated candidate/running mate.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/john-kasich-will-be-the-r_b_9638598.html

It will go to second or third round at the convention and the delegates will be unbound. GOPe hates both front runners and Soros is funding Kasich. The infamous Ron Paul rule will be changed before the convention even begins, and they like Kasich more than anyone else. He has the best polls to beat Hitlery in November and that is all that the delegates will need to vote him nominee.

Quigley says

It will go to second or third round at the convention and the delegates will be unbound. GOPe hates both front runners and Soros is funding Kasich. The infamous Ron Paul rule will be changed before the convention even begins, and they like Kasich more than anyone else. He has the best polls to beat Hitlery in November and that is all that the delegates will need to vote him nominee.

I don't think so--the delegates being selected are Cruz backers, not establishment controlled. I don't think GOPe has any more control over them than they do Trump supporters.

mmmarvel says

So does that mean you'll vote for whomever the democrat candidate is?

A place in my heart for Bernie and I have had many talks with his economic and finance people. He means well, but I could never vote for him. I can't vote democrat, just the nature of the beast.

Trump, lord no....
Cruz... on my worst day maybe to stay with political lines
John K.... I can't vote for John ever because he is a balance budget amendment and anyone who believes in math knows that is the single worst idea ever with our demographics nor can it be possible

Paul Ryan gets into I will vote for him

My wife is a dem and guess who she is voting for

I tell ya, I am getting it every night on the Trump talk... what a pathetic party the Republicans have become...

You guys and gals can see why John wanted to leave Dodge

I would say this

Bernie's social media people have done a hit job on Clinton ... you should see the stuff on Clinton from Bernie's people on facebook.

The one thing about the general election map, if Bernie's people don't vote for Clinton, Any Republican could win, outside of Trump, because there is just a portion of the Republican party that could never vote Trump and I wouldn't be surprised if Utah went Democrat if Trump is a candidate.

In any case, it's going to be interesting last stretch

Wow, Trump really seems to get under the skin of many. Considering we have a criminal, a communist, an establishment crony and a religious evangelist running against him. Trump will get the necessary votes is my guess if he sweeps NY completely. If he is denied the nomination, the Republican party deserves to go under and people be punished with 4-8 more years of progressive destruction. But don't just count on a Republican quagmire, Bernie vs Hillary is getting spicier as well and black lies matter is already shitting all over the place, even in the Democratic campaign trail. Have the popcorn ready!

Ironman says

Repub side might be back filled by Indys

Romney won the independent vote and still lost by millions only gained 206 E. votes

Primary session roughly 20 million vs General over 115-130 million

Bernie hard core fans hate Hillary, If you didn't know they were Democrats you would think the people are Republicans. Not many people like Hilary but .... when it comes to the White House... Dems come to play in general...

Republicans have lost 5 out of the last 6 popular vote and now are divided...

You can't win the White House as a divided party, more likely Trump gets slaughtered than him getting slippage votes. I have never seen so many Republicans from all voter branches simply so, Hell no they will never ever in their life vote for Trump and some even saying they would rather see Clinton in the White House.

mell says

Republican party deserves to go under and people be punishe

Mell are you a Dana Rohrabacher fan

Or a Tom Harkin fan

Logan Mohtashami says

mell says

Republican party deserves to go under and people be punishe

Mell are you a Dana Rohrabacher fan

Agree with many if not most of his positions, but not a fan of any politician since Ron Paul (most principled and genuine man). I'm a libertarian at heart, but I doubt the progressive, neoconservative and neo-keynesian political-correct clusterfuck can be corrected by a non-authoritarian candidate, force or administration. That ship has long sailed because the Orwellian progressive left (with help of the establishment) has created such a strong control of language that most if not all politicians will lose any civilized discussion against the social media and social justice warrior mafia - which is also strengthened and perused to silence outsiders by the establishment on the left, center and right whenever necessary. In fact I would argue that it almost futile to become a politician these days for any other reason than to enrich yourself and your family by cleverly toeing the party line and following political correctness at least on the outside. That's why I acknowledge Trump's effort so much, it takes fucking self-confident if not arrogant balls of steel to do what he has been doing. This effort alone makes him electable, with all of his faults.

mell says

I'm a libertarian

every political test I take I always end up at Libertarian, who knows what is what these days... politics has became what the word means in hiding

POLY
TICKS

Many blood sucking parasites

I will give Trump this, very clever, the whole birther thing gave him street cred with the Tea Party more than what Ted Cruz ever got. He knows how to work the media system... more like a WWF wrestler character than anything else.

Isn't Harkin a criminal of hillaric proportion?
Logan Mohtashami says

Or a Tom Harkin fan

Logan Mohtashami says

mell says

I'm a libertarian

every political test I take I always end up at Libertarian, who knows what is what these days... politics has became what the word means in hiding

POLY

TICKS

Many blood sucking parasites

I will give Trump this, very clever, the whole birther thing gave him street cred with the Tea Party more than what Ted Cruz ever got. He knows how to work the media system... more like a WWF wrestler character than anything else.

Definitely full of blood-sucking parasites (not just in the US, world-wide). To illustrate the problem, when Ron Paul ran there was a big bruhaha for weeks because somebody "loosely" affiliated with RP released a newsletter back in the what 80s or 90s that was supposedly "racist". Nobody ever debated him on his stances, it wasn't necessary, the left and the establishment took him out with one punch and the help of political correctness, he never had a chance. I'm also a raw milk fan, so I have to be libertarian in my own self-interest before the FDA goons completely shut down the supply.

You did good Logan, you did good.

Best election ever. The country club republicans and neoliberal democrats are finally getting some serious headwinds.

Tenpoundbass says

You did good Logan, you did good.

Instead of Red Rum Red Rum

We might have to say Orange Rum and Cuban Rum

Logan Mohtashami says

I will give Trump this, very clever, the whole birther thing gave him street cred with the Tea Party more than what Ted Cruz ever got. He knows how to work the media system... more like a WWF wrestler character than anything else.

I still think he is a much better candidate than the rest of the guys. Insiders can't fix problems, they are the problem since they are the status quo. Only an outsider can fix this crap system. Hence I like Trump.

This all started when Insider Cantor lost in a shock to Brat. Many GOP Congressmen and Senators panicked and bailed on the Amnesty ("Comprehensive Immigration Reform") Bill. Since then, terrified Country Club GOP Establishment that was supposed to deliver Amnesty for the US Chamber of Commerce in 2013 has been making sure true "Movement" (Anti-Unlimited Immigration) candidates don't win.

The GOPe brought all guns to bear in Mississippi to defeat a popular insurgent Republican Senate Candidate Christ McDaniels, and kept Establishment Loyalist 7th Term Senator Thad Cochran in. They are now trying to do the same thing to Trump.

As Thomas Frank mentioned, there are now two ruling class parties: The Republicans for Big Business and Low Wage Agra/Extraction Industries; and Democrats for the Globalization-insulated Professionals like the Lawyers and Teachers as well as Silly Con Valley. Both parties are utterly in bed with the Financial Sector to the last feather in the Pillow.

My wife and I were talking tonight about how we made $9, $10, $12 an hour in our late teens, 20 years ago in various menial/low-skill jobs. Back when ground beef and gasoline was 99 cents in expensive North Jersey and in the Miami Area. Not the cheapest parts of the country.

It's amazing that these very same jobs - cold calling, convenience store, warehouse, etc. jobs - pay the same or less than they did 20 years ago, but prices for non-voluntary shit that doesn't beep or buzz like food, medical care, education, rents, etc. are much higher.

And most of our coworkers were white and black native-born Americans.

thunderlips11 says

Cantor lost

Logan Mohtashami says

A place in my heart for Bernie and I have had many talks with his economic and finance people. He means well, but I could never vote for him. I can't vote democrat, just the nature of the beast.

Trump, lord no....

Cruz... on my worst day maybe to stay with political lines

John K.... I can't vote for John ever because he is a balance budget amendment and anyone who believes in math knows that is the single worst idea ever with our demographics nor can it be possible

Paul Ryan gets into I will vote for him

I could NEVER vote for Bernie, his grasp of economics doesn't even reach the height of what 6 year olds understand.
Hillary - uh, no, no a thousand times no.

Trump - served a purpose by getting things into the discussion that most politicians shy away from, but has shown himself to be a 5 year old acting out on the playground.
Cruz - will get my vote only because he's the best of this horrible lot.
John K - the republican version of Hillary, whatever way the wind is blowing - a worse candidate than McCain or Romney.

Paul Ryan - I don't see him getting into the mix. It will be Cruz unless Trump wins it outright going into the convention.

Logan Mohtashami says

Tom Harkin fan

Oh, ugh, just gag me with a spoon. No respect for the man, in ways he's worse (and in a few ways better) than Trump. Not a fan, not a fan, not a fan.

mmmarvel says

I could NEVER vote for Bernie

What is interesting is seeing the left vs really left with Bernie's economic

MMT people went ballistic that Bernie wanted to raise taxes to pay for his spending plan

Cruz is only there to take delegates as many delegates from Trump for Round One, so they can Inside Party wheel and deal to get a Ryan, Romney, Rubio, Jeb, or Kasich candidate.

Will be the biggest GOP defeat in history, even against an easy opponent like Hillary.

However, Trump has yet to open his purse. He's hardly spent any money. The GOP Establishment spent 8:1 against him in many states and lost like the losers they are.

I could NEVER vote for Bernie, his grasp of economics doesn't even reach the height of what 6 year olds understand.
Hillary - uh, no, no a thousand times no.

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I'd be interested in hearing what you mean about Bernies grasp of economics. I mean, specifically. It's funny, all the people that say like what you say of him; snd people like mell earlier in the thread referred to him as a communist lol, your dislike for the guy seems very shallow.

This Summer, it's time for the GOP to Rinse Pubics. #MAGA

www.kSVd-3SkRUo

Doesn't Reinse Pubis look like Phil Green/Kevin Spacey from "Casino"? Another Front Man.

thunderlips11 says

However, Trump has yet to open his purse. He's hardly spent any money. The GOP Establishment spent 8:1 against him in many states and lost like the losers they are.

That's one of the reasons you really have to question whether he actually wants to win.

Logan Mohtashami says

Paul Ryan gets into I will vote for him

Ryan has proposed noble budget goals remarkably short on unpopular specifics (such as what gets cut). Tump has proposed outrageously optmistic budget goals (pay off the entire national debt in 8 years) with an equal lack of specifics.

If you have to choose between one fantasist (who's maybe just too scared to outline the pain) and another, why notchoose the one with the bigger promises?

HydroCabron says

Tump has proposed outrageously optmistic budget goals (pay off the entire national debt in 8 years) with an equal lack of specifics.

Just that stupid thesis right there should get Trump booted off the planet.

To be honest I could care less about Budgets, everyone budget is going to have deficits for 50 years straight.

In fact I can't vote for anyone who proposes a balance budget amendment, with our demographics that is impossible to have without damaging the economy or turning back on entitlement promises.

Logan Mohtashami says

In fact I can't vote for anyone who proposes a balance budget amendment, with our demographics that is impossible to have without damaging the economy or turning back on entitlement promises.

The damage down the road is far greater than fixing the debt now, because math just is and doesn't lie. The piper will have to be paid and it's gonna be brutal. Entitlements should have been cut long ago, nobody has a right to "guaranteed" appreciation numbers. Lots of these proposals are likely going to fall short, but if we don't try and start going into the right direction, that is paying off the principal (even if it takes 100 years), 2008 will look like poppycock in hindsight. Politicians should be charged with treason and imprisoned if they cause the debt to increase or shortfalls by diverting money or temporarily "borrowing" it from otherwise already allocated funds (AKA stealing) just to pacify their constituents and wallets. We could have avoided many of today's completely destroyed cities and municipalities that way.