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Since John Stewart left you are now listing to the next official communist. Got to give it to John Oliver, he knows how to quickly gain the marketshare within the young socialist community when there is a leadership vacuum.

So gun permits are all about "rigging", lets remove those things.
Passports are all about "rigging", let everyone board a plane and vote in elections, honor system will take care of everything on it's own.

FortWayne says

Since John Stewart left you are now listing to the next official communist.

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Clearly voting is a low impact activity, nothing like the power involved in flying on a commercial airplane or driving a car or entering a port (TWIC required) or purchasing a firearm or buying a fucking BEER! All of these daily activities require an ID but VOTING somehow shouldn't?
Are you higher than usual? In what universe does the citizens right to vote not deserve a protection from disenfranchisement by someone who votes using your name?
Please don't give me crap about the incredibly low test people who can't get their shit together enough to secure some form of government issued ID. Those people are too stupid to vote and have weeded themselves out. We really shouldn't care what their political opinions might be.

Quigley says

Are you higher than usual?

Watch the video. Make counter-arguments for each point. That's what a real man does. A boy just makes a dumb-ass dismissive remark. Are you a boy or a man?

Trolling for pickups since georgies bit the dust??

Dan8267 says

Are you a boy or a man?

Dungeness says

Trolling

If you are trying to insult me by calling me gay, you might as well call me a nigger as well. It would be just as ineffective. Unlike you, I am not a bigot with a small dick whose sexual frustration motivates him to hate others.

It's not an insult. It's a statement of fact.
However you interpreting it as an insult opens a window into your heart as someone who feels they are under attack when presented with facts, a bellwether knee-jerk reaction of the liberal mindset.
Now that's something to feel insulted over...
Dan8267 says

If you are trying to insult me by calling me gay, you might as well call me a nigger as well. It would be just as ineffective

No, it's not a fact. One does not have to be gay to support marriage equality. One only has to be a decent person.

And the only reason you flung that accusation is as an insult, which quite frankly says a lot more about you than me. Specifically, it says you are a small-minded bigot whose opinion doesn't matter.

You are right. It's a 'question', not a 'fact'.
The question is raised based on your photographic input and written descriptions of what you like to do, on this site.
So once again:
You interpreting it as an insult opens a window into your heart as someone who feels they are under attack when presented with legitimate questions based on your past history, a bellwether knee-jerk reaction of the liberal mindset.
Now that's something to feel insulted over...

Dan8267 says

No, it's not a fact.

For Dungeness's trolling

Once more Shrek is banned.

It's worth noting that no proponents of voter ID laws have even tried to respond to the excellent points made by John Oliver.

So the main point seemed to be that even idiots need to be able to vote or democracy is dead.
I disagree. Idiots are what got us into this mess where our democracy is effectively dead, where candidates are bought and corporate media tells us who to vote for. I would venture to say that the problem is that too many idiots are indeed voting and canceling out the votes of thoughtful informed voters and that's why we have Clinton vs. Dole, Trump vs. Cruz, and Blacks (who according to the video are 1.78 times more likely to lack an ID) pick the Hildabeast over the best people's candidate (Sanders) we've had in years by huge margins that indicate a complete absence of either diversity of thought or careful thought of any sort.
If making IDs a requirement would disenfranchise some of the stupider people in this group, I'm all for it!

Quigley says

So the main point seemed to be that even idiots need to be able to vote or democracy is dead.

No, the main point is that the processes to get a "voter ID" are deliberately cumbersome for the sole purpose of preventing lawful citizens from exercising their right to vote. There is no in-person voter fraud, but there is much election fraud in disenfranchising legal voters.

It would be trivially easy to have a voter ID that does not prevent legitimate votes, but any such effort is opposed by the Republicans -- and yes it's only Republicans -- who are trying to rig elections. The voter ID laws sole purpose is to rig elections. If we wanted to prevent election fraud, any voter ID initialize would have the following properties.

1. Voter IDs will be issued in real time, less than a minute, at polling sites during elections.
2. It is the burden of the state to prove that a person is not who they say they are. No forms or anything are needed to validate ID to get the voter ID. People cannot be denied voter ID for any reason.
3. Instead such votes are simply marked contested and the state must prove they are fraudulent before the votes are discounted.
4. The state must prove the person is not a valid voter or the person they claim to be within 30 days or the ID is no longer contested.
5. All expenses must be paid by the state including expenses incurred by the prospective voter.
6. Any means the law accepts in court for identifying a person for the purpose of criminal prosecution are valid and sufficient for identification for voting. In other words, any means used to associate a criminal record to a person can also be used to give a voter ID.

There is no way any voter ID advocate would agree to the above conditions because they prevent the sole purpose of voter ID laws, which is to rig elections by eliminating legal votes.

It's not a coincidence that the only people advocating voter ID laws are the exact same people in the exact same states who advocated denying the right to vote to minorities and advocated Jim Crow laws.

I would also add that since guns are far more dangerous to our society than votes, whatever voter ID system we have should be
1. At the Federal, not state, level
2. Applied to firearm possession as well.

After all, the only way to guarantee that a terrorist isn't posing as someone else while buying a gun is to have a voter gun owner ID. So let's use the same damn ID. A database can keep track of whether a federal ID, which is what we're really talking about, can be used for voting or gun ownership and can be used to track guns, something that is absolutely critical to fight terrorism.

I'd be fine with only Federally registered gun owners being allowed to vote 😁

Quigley says

I'd be fine with only Federally registered gun owners being allowed to vote 😁

Obviously, that's not a requirement to vote. Nor is being eligible to vote a requirement to register as a fire arm owner.

But would you be OK with a federal ID requirement for firearm possession? Seriously.

Cause any argument in favor of voter ID would be hypocritical if not also applied to firearms.

Dan8267 says

But would you be OK with a federal ID requirement for firearm possession? Seriously.

Yes, please! But only if it trumped all states, county, city, and municipal laws. We gun owners have much more trouble keeping the smaller governments off our backs than the Federal government. And if something goes wrong we can lobby only one government to get it fixed! Honestly this would fix so many anti-gun problems more or less permanently!

Dan8267 says

If you are trying to insult me by calling me gay

Dan, you are the one posting pictures of naked men here.

Dan8267 says

Yes, the people advocating voter ID laws themselves commit voter fraud in state congresses where every vote is significant.

Nothing new here: the biggest gun control advocate in CA has been recently sentenced to jail for illegal firearms trafficking. The very guy who was obsessed with denying Californians access to standard-capacity magazines for their semi-auto guns was buying full-auto rifles and RPGs from fucking Islamist extremists in order to illegally import and re-sell them here.

Straw Man says

Nothing new here: the biggest gun control advocate in CA has been recently sentenced to jail for illegal firearms trafficking

Assuming what you are saying is true, it still does not address the fact that gun violence is a real problem in this country that costs people's lives whereas in-person voter fraud is non-existent.

Quigley says

Yes, please! But only if it trumped all states, county, city, and municipal laws

It would. There would be fewer gun control laws, but they would be more restrictive as they would apply everywhere and handle all situations erring on the side of safety and security.

Dan8267 says

in-person voter fraud is non-existent.

It's just like,... you know,... your opinion... man.

Dan8267 says

Assuming what you are saying is true

Are you low information kinda guy? Because everybody and his dog in good old US of A knows about Leland Yee and his anti-gun crusade.

Straw Man says

Are you low information kinda guy?

No, you are thinking of conservatives. I'm simply not one to judge the truth of a vague statement. It's on you to be clear about what you mean.

In any case, you haven't addressed my point. Gun violence is a real problem in this country that costs people's lives whereas in-person voter fraud is non-existent. So I guess you're conceding that point.

DBOAPD says:
"America will just wake up on election day and SUCK! HIS! DICK!"

There are already a lot of dick sucking voters.
The dedicated one are also wiping his asshole with their tongues.