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tatupu70 says

Not a total gun ban. I'm talking about banning weapons whose harm outweighs its benefit. The comments about utensils being more dangerous than assault rifles isn't worth a reply.

According to Ironman's homocide table, it is relevant. Especially if you're concerned for the greater good.

tatupu70 says

OK--so you are for removing all laws then, right? Murders happen, even with a law so get rid of the law. Rapes still happen, so get rid of the law. Bad guys still murder. Bad guys still rape. Let's get rid of all laws.

I didn't say that. I said the bad guys are still going to get their guns regardless of regulation - or laws on the books.

I believe a more effective law would be to require every household to own a firearm - and implement a castle law at the federal level. Especially for the greater good.

Since this conversation obviously stems from the Orlando shooting, one or two armed individuals in the club would have been able to take down the Islamic sack of crap in seconds/minutes from when this started. Not 3 hours.

tatupu70 says

How did any of those things contribute to a gay man being embarrassed about his sexuality and taking it out on other gays?

I see. So you're saying that it was because he was a GAY Muslim that he committed this atrocity. A normal Muslim would never shoot up a gay bar. Only the deviant and perverse GAYS could own that sort of act!
Funny, I never figured you for a homophobe...

joshuatrio says

According to Ironman's

Anything that starts with those three words is almost certainly wrong.

joshuatrio says

I believe a more effective law would be to require every household to own a firearm - and implement a castle law at the federal level. Especially for the greater good.

I think there are many examples throughout history showing this to be a very poor solution.

Quigley says

I see. So you're saying that it was because he was a GAY Muslim that he committed this atrocity. A normal Muslim would never shoot up a gay bar. Only the deviant and perverse GAYS could own that sort of act!

Funny, I never figured you for a homophobe...

Just curious--how does my statement make me a homophobe exactly?

But to answer your question--I'm saying he could have been a gay Christian and felt the same shame, pressure, and self-disgust that might cause him to snap. Religion was the problem. In this case Islam. But this wasn't a radicalized freedom fighter wanting to become a martyr.

tatupu70 says

Anything that starts with those three words is almost certainly wrong.

Actually it was a chart he posted that was from the Criminal Justice Services Information Division.

tatupu70 says

I think there are many examples throughout history showing this to be a very poor solution.

Please share those many examples.

Dan8267 says

Does Mexico have the same laws as Australia? No.

No Dan, Mexico has stricter gun laws than Australia, and they've been in place for almost two decades longer. FYI, I don't see anything groundbreaking in Australian gun law, and in fact many states in the US already have stricter guns laws than Australia, where laws can also vary by state.

Hear that hissing sound? It's all the air going out of your Australia bullshit balloon from the holes I just poked in it.

Feel free to respond with inane diatribes backed by nothing, per your norm on this subject.

Dan8267 says

Your statement is nonsensical bullshit.

tatupu70 says

I'm saying he could have been a gay Christian and felt the same shame, pressure, and self-disgust that might cause him to snap

So according to you, he could be a different religion, and as long as he was still GAY, he would have killed those people by one means or another. And you don't see why I called you a homophobe? I'm curious: do you always blame the victim of a crime or is this a special occasion because you prefer Muslims over horrible awful GAY people?

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Quigley says

So according to you, he could be a different religion, and as long as he was still GAY, he would have killed those people by one means or another. And you don't see why I called you a homophobe? I'm curious: do you always blame the victim of a crime or is this a special occasion because you prefer Muslims over horrible awful GAY people?

You have a reading comprehension problem. I'm blaming society and religion for making him feel ashamed of being gay. I think you are letting your prejudices cloud your comprehension.

No, you were saying it was because he was gay and also ashamed of it. By stating that, you abrogated the fault of Islam for brainwashing him into believing that:
1)All gays must die
2)He is gay, and thus must die
3)The only way for him to paradise is through martyrdom in jihad.

So Islam took what could have been a normal happy-go-getting-lucky-under-a-rainbow gay man and turned him into a murderous lunatic. That one is on Islam. Islam is the cause. Blaming it on gays or the gay lifestyle or the fact that he was gay is just blaming the victim. Islam owns this one.
Your pathetic attempts at blame redirecting to guns and gays won't be accepted here.

tatupu70 says

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Historical examples of societies where gun ownership is mandatory? Uhhh fail.

Quigley says

No, you were saying it was because he was gay and also ashamed of it. By stating that, you abrogated the fault of Islam for brainwashing him into believing that:

wtf is wrong with you? My points were/are very clear. I'm not going to keep repeating them to you as you clearly do not want to understand.

Quigley says

So Islam took what could have been a normal happy-go-getting-lucky-under-a-rainbow gay man and turned him into a murderous lunatic. That one is on Islam. Islam is the cause. Blaming it on gays or the gay lifestyle or the fact that he was gay is just blaming the victim. Islam owns this one.

Your pathetic attempts at blame redirecting to guns and gays won't be accepted here.

Except that's not I'm doing. I'm indicting religion. Christianity is just as guilty of ostracizing gays.

NuttBoxer says

Hear that hissing sound? It's all the air going out of your Australia bullshit balloon from the holes I just poked in it.

Lol. When Australia implemented the ban on guns - homicides went up, armed robberies went up and home invasion s went up.

tatupu70 says

Except that's not I'm doing. I'm indicting religion. Christianity is just as guilty of ostracizing gays.

a lot of nonsense is done in the name of "religion". If you want to understand a faith, study it's texts, not it's followers. Most of them only practice half-assed lip service, and I'm including my personal sect, US protestants, in that statement.

tatupu70 says

Except that's not I'm doing. I'm indicting religion. Christianity is just as guilty of ostracizing gays

Except you're indicting a true religion of peace, headed by a founder whose word on the subject of violence was to "turn the other cheek," essentially offering oneself as a target for additional abuse. And by lumping all religions together in blame for this attack you're indicting Buddhists, Jews, Jainists, and every other peace-preaching sect with the jihadist Muslims. Attempting to dilute blame from a clearly culpable ideology is a coward's move, quite similar to a gross polluter who dumps toxic waste water into the river because "it's just water, it's mostly all the same."
Dilution is not the solution to pollution!
Sheesh, a homophobe and a toxic waste apologist. How could you sink so low, tatupu?