The US Could Be Without A President For Mnths Or Even Years
2016 Sep 22, 6:38am 578 views 2 comments
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Pollsters and other election professionals are subtly hinting at an election scenario where Trump wins the popular vote and Hillary wins the electoral votes. Trump could very well mount all sorts of court challenges that could drag on for years. No presidential candidate in modern times has done this. (Even Al Gore dropped his legal challenges and let Bush 2 be inaugurated.) The most troubling question is:
"Could Hillary be inaugurated while these court challenges worked their way through the system?"
If the answer is no we might be without a president for months or years. Or Obama might choose to stay on while the mess is sorted out.
Even if she could be inaugurated, she would have a big cloud hanging over her head. All of this would be another example of "Crooked Hillary" in the eyes of Trump supporters. Our country would be fractured and ungovernable.
With kindest regards,
Respectfully, that's a pretty uninformed viewpoint. We will not have "all sorts of challenges that drag on for months or years". This is the ultimate of federal questions and all issues will be immediately decided by SCOTUS because of the "extraordinary nature and urgency of the case" Bush V. Gore 531 US 98, 99. All gore did not so much as "drop" his case as he had nothing left to challenge save a couple of post election pyrrhic victories which no one would care about - SCOTUS took the case and there is no higher source of appeal - full stop. It happened before and (if need be) it will happen again.
Even though there was a 5-4 vote in bush v gore, note that the decision was per curiam meaning despite the 5-4 and 7-2 votes, they rendered their opinion "collectively and unanimously". Even in a 4-4 tie a per curiam would be issued in as much as they hate "the other guy" they hate the uncertainty even more. If there is no clear president and no clear rule of law, why do you think there are even any functioning courts to "work through these challenges" you speak of? What is the reason of going to court if there is no rule of law nor any enforcement other than vigilante justice in the streets? I had a similar revalation in 2008 in the heights of the financial crisis when a I told a judge we would be headed to the bankruptcy court and he said to me discreetly "what makes you think I or anyone else is going to show up to open the doors on Monday?"
Breyer (the loser in bush v gore) puts it best: When reflecting on bush v. gore, he said, I know perfectly well that at least 20 percent of the country are sitting there thinking–too bad there weren’t stones being thrown and riots. Too bad.’ Well, turn on your television set. And you’re going to see what happens in countries that solve their problems that way.†As much as the TV and Blog pundits like to get us all jacked up about what SCOTUS would do, I know for a fact that every person ever appointed to SCOTUS would do what they had to keep the lights on so as to allow those TV and Blog pundits to carry on with their nonsense.
Dear David:
Your comments are most appreciated. Let us focus on police violence for a moment. I was raised in the East End of Houston, Texas. This was a very lower-middle class neighborhood. More affluent and well-educated people in Houston "looked down their noses" at the people living there. It was assumed that only Southern Red Necks lived there (Now the area is full of blacks and Latinos.)
In the early 1960's the Houston Police Department was both hated and feared. Torture of suspects was "business as usual." If a juvenile were caught doing something wrong, they might not be arrested and taken to Juvenile Hall. Rather they would be put int eh back seat of a squad car. The two officers would proceed to give them a hard beating before releasing them to go home. One day after school I was attacked by a more powerful student. I was carrying a briefcase with heavy books in it. I defended myself by swinging the brief case and breaking my attacker's nose. The Houston police were called. The man with the broken nose was taken off in an ambulance. Despite the fact that I was acting in self-defense, I was put in the back of a squad car and beaten up. I went home and my father was proud of me for badly injuring my attacker. The next day in school I was taken to the vice-principal's office and threatened with suspension and a black mark on my school record. My other option was to lay across the desk of the vice-principal while he whacked me in my back side with a paddle several times. I accepted this option.
David as violent and as ruthless as the Houston Police Department was in those days, I cannot remember a case where an unarmed suspect was shot by these fascist police. What has our world come to?
Pollsters and other election professionals are subtly hinting at an election scenario where Trump wins the popular vote and Hillary wins the electoral votes. Trump could very well mount all sorts of court challenges that could drag on for years. No presidential candidate in modern times has done this. (Even Al Gore dropped his legal challenges and let Bush 2 be inaugurated.) The most troubling question is:
"Could Hillary be inaugurated while these court challenges worked their way through the system?"
If the answer is no we might be without a president for months or years. Or Obama might choose to stay on while the mess is sorted out.
Even if she could be inaugurated, she would have a big cloud hanging over her head. All of this would be another example of "Crooked Hillary" in the eyes of Trump supporters. Our country would be fractured and ungovernable.
With kindest regards,
-JackW
#cureyourHDS