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turtledove is deplorable says

Drumpf doesn't come close to the gravity of Hillary's lies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?_r=0

This thread is ridiculous.

marcus says

Yeah right. Did you see the list of 30 Trump lies from the last week ? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/24/us/elections/donald-trump-statements.html

Maybe you could share Hillary's 3 biggest lies from the past month (that aren't her being defensive about using a private email server for messages that weren't sent over the SIPRNet system).

I'm still waiting.

Heading looked just like an neplusultra57/hydrocuck post.

YesYNot says

This thread is ridiculous.

Bingo! Threads that consist of little more than a highly exaggerated thread title that also broad brushes everyone who doesn't think like them as "stupid" or "deplorable," or whatever, is ridiculous. So glad you agree. Now lets see if you can apply the same standard across the board.

Answer the phone Marcus!

.... but take the red pill first.

TurtleDove sure has a convoluted way of justifying how much she likes Trumps constant lies.

I could at least have some small amount of respect for her, if she would own up to them, and say yes, he does constantly make up falsehoods about Hillary, and his own past positions, but I'm okay with that because....

But instead, she's willing to be seen as basically pond scum.

Big Money in politics was a major problem to most Democrats - until Hillary was a candidate. Then Bernie was dangerous risk, Hillary was just doing what they all did, and nevermind both her opponents - in the primary and in the General - have raised much less from Big Vested Interests and disproportionally from small donors of less than $50.

Women love men that lie, as long as it is persuasive sociopathic flattery. Haven't you ever seen a soap opera?

Whenever women say they want you to be completely honest with them, it is because they are setting you up for an hysterical shit fit majeure.

Strange thing is, Trumpligula, while he lies incessantly, is so utterly derogatory and condescending to women, and they like it anyway. I guess it's the same reason they send love letters to death row inmates.

Ceffer says

Women love men that lie, as long as it is persuasive sociopathic flattery. Haven't you ever seen a soap opera?

Soap opera. Ever tried telling a woman that her butt looks like two waterrmelons in that jeans?

turtledove is deplorable says

highly exaggerated thread title

I don't mind that.turtledove is deplorable says

that also broad brushes everyone who doesn't think like them as "stupid" or "deplorable," or whatever

This is silly, but both sides do it. I think it is fair to use the deplorable moniker because both sides are trying to open the word. Trumpkins are claiming she called them deplorable when she only called the racist, *is, etc. deplorable.turtledove is deplorable says

Now lets see if you can apply the same standard across the board.

The thread is ridiculous, because you are drawing an equivalence between Trump's lies and Clinton's lies. Trump lies more frequently, and he repeats blatant lies when called on them. They may both be worse than a typical pol, but Trump is in a league of his own.

This is a damning indictment of thread title afterbirth...

turtledove is deplorable says

YesYNot says

This thread is ridiculous.

Bingo! Threads that consist of little more than a highly exaggerated thread title that also broad brushes everyone who doesn't think like them as "stupid" or "deplorable," or whatever, is ridiculous. So glad you agree. Now lets see if you can apply the same standard across the board.

The difference is that most of Trumps lies are just bullshit extraordinaire, while the lies of clinton are designed to hide her criminal acts...
bullshitting vs criminal acts.

YesYNot says

Trump lies more frequently, and he repeats blatant lies when called on them. They may both be worse than a typical pol, but Trump is in a league of his own.

YesYNot says

They may both be worse than a typical pol, but Trump is in a league of his own.

Not true, when trump says black is white he is establishing a negotiating position, not lying. See how that works for people who can' t think?

This is the election where the fundamental, and probably ultimately fatal, flaws of the US election system are fully exposed. Especially with the idiots in the supreme court allowing unlimited spending in secret. The tyranny of the multitudes is in full display. The founding fathers were correctly afraid of this. The state legislators chose the electoral college electors in 11 of the 13 original states for the first election. Popular vote didn't happen for a long time. Adams, Clay, Jackson, Crawford 1824 was the first election with popular vote in over half the states. Maybe we should go back. I don't see how it could be worse.

Ranina ranina says

designed to hide her criminal acts.

She has repeatedly been found not guilty, so you don't have a good reason to believe this other than a hunch. She maybe broke some laws here and there, but the wild ass claims are probably just bullshit.

Ranina ranina says

The difference is that most of Trumps lies are just bullshit extraordinaire

They are fundamental to his argument that he is qualified for the job. If you take away the bullshittery, there is nothing left. Literally, the only thing that was not 100% bullshittery is his desire to build a continuous wall and have Mexico pay for it. Even that is 2/3 bullshittery, since there is no way that Mexico is going to pay for it, and he has already said it won't be continuous. Plus, there is plenty that Trump has done that is probably illegal that he has not been found guilty of. For example: not paying people he was legally obligated to pay, bribing people, and cheating on his taxes. There are also claims of rape etc., but those are wild ass claims that are probably bullshit as well.

Ranina ranina says

The difference is that most of Trumps lies are just bullshit extraordinaire, while the lies of clinton are designed to hide her criminal acts...

bullshitting vs criminal acts.

Illegally paying settlements out of the trump foundation isn't a criminal act somehow? Explain that.

bob2356 says

Not true, when trump says black is white he is establishing a negotiating position, not lying. See how that works for people who can' t think?

People who can think hear "Black is white," and respond "What the fuck are you talking about? Go sit in the corner and think about things and come back when you can have a grown up conversation."

If you want to buy my house, and offer $10 to establish a negotiating position, I would tell you to fuck off and stop wasting my time. As long as everything that Trump says is the equivalent of starting a negotiation by offering $10 for a house, my feelings about Trump are the same. Just fuck off, and come back when you can discuss things rationally instead of wasting everybody's time by trying to manipulate emotions with silly tricks. It's embarrassing that we live in a country where those silly tricks seem to work.

If the black is white negotiating position gag were offered up as a joke, which we could quickly move on from, I would say "Thanks for breaking the ice you cheeky monkey." But it's all we've heard for over a year. That seems to be the extent of him.

In any case, you have not said that Trump hasn't been lying constantly. You've just explained his shitty reason for constantly lying.

Listening to Major Garret continuing to take shots in an opinionated blurb that is supposed to be reporting.

Garret supposedly reporting on Trump's debate preparation: "Donald Trump who believes a life of acting as a reality TV star and RE developer has prepared him for the debates...."

Garrett does not know what Tump believes. This is not reporting but editorializing.

What has happened to our news media?

turtledove is deplorable says

Too bad the left

Exactly, the left, not liberals.

No liberal supports Hillary. The best some liberals, like Noam Chomsky, say is "hold your breath and vote for Hillary instead of Trump", which is hardly supportive and not that much different from other liberals who say "hold your breath and vote for Trump instead of Hillary".

Liberals hate Hillary, Obama, Bush, and Cheney, and for pretty much the exact same reasons.

Ceffer says

Women love men that lie, as long as it is persuasive sociopathic flattery. Haven't you ever seen a soap opera?

Whenever women say they want you to be completely honest with them, it is because they are setting you up for an hysterical shit fit majeure.

Strange thing is, Trumpligula, while he lies incessantly, is so utterly derogatory and condescending to women, and they like it anyway. I guess it's the same reason they send love letters to death row inmates.

That's nuts. And not, at all, why I like him. Perhaps some suffer from that pathology, but that's no different than guys who give up their manhood (and financial freedom) for big boobs and a pretty face. People need to get a sense of humor and understand that every word isn't an attack against some protected class.

Blurtman says

Garret supposedly reporting on Trump's debate preparation: "Donald Trump who believes a life of acting as a reality TV star and RE developer has prepared him for the debates...."

It's a safe assumption, because Trump and his staff have openly stated that he doesn't prepare for debates, and he is admittedly unable to focus on anything for more than 2-3 minutes, per multiple sources who have worked with him over the past few decades. Aides have shown him replays of his answers during primary debates, aiming to help him improve, and he has waved them off, saying his answers looked perfect.

Also, it's probably true that reality television and being a developer have prepared him well, since he went up against Ted Cruz (national debate champion) and beat him soundly while lying frequently and grossly.

I'm with Trump on this one. He doesn't need help as a debater, because he can beat someone without using facts. If Trump gets killed by Hillary (unlikely), it won't be because of a lack of preparation, which wouldn't have helped him anyway.

YesYNot says

In any case, you have not said that Trump hasn't been lying constantly. You've just explained his shitty reason for constantly lying.

Try thinking sarcasm/humor/tweaking the trumpbots. My fault. Next time I'll post a sarcasm alert for the literal thinkers and people too emotionally involved with their candidate to have any sense of humor at all.

Of course trump is lying, his lips are moving. The people who support him are too lazy or too swept up in feasting on his bullshit to bother going back and looking at the real trump. I lived in NY during the trump rise in the 80's. He was widely considered a bit of a joke then, doing ok as long as daddy was carrying him. Seen as someone who started life 89 feet down the the third base line thinking he hit a home run.

YesYNot says

It's embarrassing that we live in a country where those silly tricks seem to work.

They don't seem to work, they are working just fine. There are plenty of people very willing to believe absolute bullshit, no matter how absurd, as long as it agrees with what they believe should be true. That's how bretibart (the patnet trumpbot reference source of choice these days) has become so big so quickly. Nationalism/racism/divisiveness is always a sure fire vote getter. No different than any other country. How do you think so many terrible people have come to power throughout history?

Lies don’t matter anymore. Nothing that either of them says matters. This election is a referendum on the status quo. Those that are OK (or close enough to pretend they are) after decades of financial racketeering will likely support the current regime, hold their nose, and vote for Hillary.
It won’t matter what she says or if she has a grand mal seizure on stage tonight.
Those former “consumers" who have been thrown under the neoliberal bus, and are now known as “deplorables", will vote for Trump in a misguided attempt regain some power and agency in the former democracy known as America. No matter what.

Of course as a recent Princeton study shows, it is all a fruitless pursuit:
https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf
America is an oligarchy and voting is nothing more than a reassurance ritual.

bob2356 says

Seen as someone who started life 89 feet down the the third base line thinking he hit a home run.

Whereas Hillary started from the streets, right? Couldn't pass the DC Bar and only got her first real job thanks to Bill's influence network.

"My father was a salesman." LOL!

Robert Sproul says

Of course as a recent Princeton study shows, it is all a fruitless pursuit:

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

America is an oligarchy and voting is nothing more than a reassurance ritual.

So true. I like the summary.

When the preferences of economic elites and the stands of organized interest groups are controlled for, the preferences of the average American appear to have only a minuscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

bob2356 says

Seen as someone who started life 89 feet down the the third base line thinking he hit a home run.

Whereas Hillary started from the streets, right? Couldn't pass the DC Bar and only got her first real job thanks to Bill's influence network.

"My father was a salesman." LOL!

I love how you add 2+2 and come up with the square root of -pi. Where did I say anything good about hillary at all? Ever? She is as deplorable as trump, but for different reasons. Get you head out of trumps ass, it's really hard to see the light from there. Just because his bullshit makes your dick hard doesn't mean it's not bullshit.

Anyone else bothered that Trump is lobbying hard against the debate moderator checking facts?

Ironman says

Stop showing off pictures of your "house", Oscar.

bob2356 says

I love how you add 2+2 and come up with the square root of -pi. Where did I say anything good about hillary at all? Ever? She is as deplorable as trump, but for different reasons. Get you head out of trumps ass, it's really hard to see the light from there. Just because his bullshit makes your dick hard doesn't mean it's not bullshit.

bob2356 says

Of course trump is lying, his lips are moving. The people who support him are too lazy or too swept up in feasting on his bullshit to bother going back and looking at the real trump. I lived in NY during the trump rise in the 80's. He was widely considered a bit of a joke then, doing ok as long as daddy was carrying him. Seen as someone who started life 89 feet down the the third base line thinking he hit a home run.

I just wanted to contrast Trump's life with the life of Hillary, who grew up in the hood, the daughter of Coal Miner Immigrants, got sent to Harvard and Yale but couldn't pass the DC Bar, yet became a multimillionaire 100 times over as a public servant.

HydroCabron says

Anyone else bothered that Trump is lobbying hard against the debate moderator checking facts?

Not as much as I am that the Networks wont be putting up Fact check graphics.
But they had to come to that conclusion because they couldn't possibly put up lies fact checks about Hillary. Not with 100 million viewers watching.
What if Grucifer 3.0 is watching?
That will just piss him off.

HydroCabron says

Anyone else bothered that Trump is lobbying hard against the debate moderator checking facts?

Facts have a well-known liberal bias. The only reason Hillary isn't also lobbying against fact checking is that in this particular case, fact checking hurts her opponent more than it does her. She'll flip-flop on the issue as soon as it's in her best interest. Both candidates are turds.

Robert Sproul says

Those former “consumers" who have been thrown under the neoliberal bus, and are now known as “deplorables", will vote for Trump in a misguided attempt regain some power and agency in the former democracy known as America. No matter what.

Of course as a recent Princeton study shows, it is all a fruitless pursuit:

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

America is an oligarchy and voting is nothing more than a reassurance ritual.

Vote for the Candidate the Oligarchs obviously hate. That does disempower them. Is it going to be lillies and pudding? No.

Dan8267 says

Facts have a well-known liberal bias. The only reason Hillary isn't also lobbying against fact checking is that in this particular case, fact checking hurts her opponent more than it does her. She'll flip-flop on the issue as soon as it's in her best interest. Both candidates are turds.

Yup. Debate mods generally don't fact-check Debates. The MSM wants a special exemption for these debates, all of a sudden. The candidates, who are running for POTUS, one would hope could fact check each other.

Fact Checkers have their own biases, see the thread about Bernie and Trump quoting the same source a few months apart, with Bernie being labelled "Mostly True" and when Trump quotes the same source, it's "Mostly False".

The MSM is all in for Hillary, so any "Fact Checking" will be biased to let her slide while hammering Trump.

Robert Sproul says

Lies don’t matter anymore. Nothing that either of them says matters. This election is a referendum on the status quo.

It's impossible to vote for individuals in a two-party, winner-take-all system with closed primaries. The party leaders effectively choose the two persons you have to choose between. Our election system gives the illusion of choice, but really only lets you choose between Coke and Pepsi. Yeah, you have to vote the lesser of the two evils, but until the election system is rewritten from scratch, you'll never have the option to vote for who you really want.

The closest the population has come to electing some the party leaders didn't want is with Trump (at least nominated now) and Bernie, who would have been nominated if the primaries weren't closed or if the stupid Hillary supporters weren't so brainwashed. It's impossible to make the case that Hillary would be a better president than Bernie. It's also impossible to make the case that Hillary stands a better chance of preventing a Trump presidency than Bernie would have.

Debates should have a computer moderator that flashes questions on a screen and lights up a button on the podium when somebody is called to answer. Once the time is up, a buzzer should sound growing louder until deafening if the person keeps speaking.

turtledove is deplorable says

That's nuts.

Heh, heh, it's so nuts, it's true. Trump invokes a mirroring pathology in women who think that success is the end all and be all of pathologic doucherie.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Debates should have a computer moderator that flashes questions on a screen and lights up a button on the podium when somebody is called to answer. Once the time is up, a buzzer should sound growing louder until deafening if the person keeps speaking.

Easier and less annoying, simply cut their mic

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

I just wanted to contrast Trump's life with the life of Hillary, who grew up in the hood, the daughter of Coal Miner Immigrants, got sent to Harvard and Yale but couldn't pass the DC Bar, yet became a multimillionaire 100 times over as a public servant.

For what? To prove politicians cash in on their positions when they leave office? Duh, where have you been the last 4000 years? How is this different than trump cashing in on his fathers position and political connections? I don't see the point or the difference. What is the square root of -pi these days?

bob2356 says

For what? To prove politicians cash in on their positions when they leave office? Duh, where have you been the last 4000 years? How is this different than trump cashing in on his fathers position and political connections? I don't see the point or the difference. What is the square root of -pi these days?

The point was to talk about their upbringing. We're constantly reminded of Trump's dad being wealthy, but not Hillary's.