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It's an homage to the Assange puppet and his recent activities.

@patrick, Your code allows someone to put an html tag directly into the post field and it behaves as expected. The front page changes the link.

@YesYNot yes, some html tags are allowed, including the anchor tag, so you could make one link look like a different one.

I didn't expect people would change the underlying link like you did. Maybe I shouldn't allow that.

Sad, panicking team player democrats. Abandoning their principles this entire election season, all to elect the most despised politician out of both parties.

Next they'll be claiming Obama didn't lie when he assured everybody the government didn't go through "ordinary folks'" emails as Yahoo! Did Just That.

"Now, folks, Yahoo! did that. Okie Dokie? It was at the request of the NSA, but the government didn't do it. Gotta watch out."

rando says

Maybe I shouldn't allow that.

While I think my use was fairly innocuous, there may be some security issues. Some people make perfectly good use of links, though. @curious2 would have to change his posting habits if you disallowed links with alternative text in posts.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

the most despised politician out of both parties.

Oddly enough, Trump and Hillary are neck and neck in the most hated race, despite Hillary having a headstart as a politician, getting a bonus of hatred by proxy for relationship to Bill, and supporting a cottage industry of people devoted to taking her down.

I have to give you hardcore Hillary supporters credit. If there's one thing you're not short on, it's excuses

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Sad, panicking team player democrats republicans. Abandoning their principles this entire election season, all to elect the most despised politician candidate out of both parties.

YesYNot says

Oddly enough, Trump and Hillary are neck and neck in the most hated race, despite Hillary having a headstart as a politician, getting a bonus of hatred by proxy for relationship to Bill, and supporting a cottage industry of people devoted to taking her down.

Let us not forget the#OrangeDouchbag leads Clinton in unfavorablility after her decades of GOP propaganda worship. The #OrangeDouchebag is a self-made deplorable

#SelfMadeDeplorable #OrangeDouchebag

Hillary is such a shitty candidate, that if we compare her to the shittiest candidate imaginable, she might just be the slightest bit less shitty than him.

Vote with pride, ladies.

errc says

I have to give you hardcore Hillary supporters credit. If there's one thing you're not short on, it's excuses

I'll give you hardcore #OrangeDouchebag supporters credit. If there's one thing you're short on it's something about the #Douchebag you actually like other than the fact that he might destroy anything he touches. Other than that you have nothing about him to say.

#OrangeDouchebag #OligarchDouchebag #LyingDouchebag #CorruptDouchebag #RaiseTaxOnTheMiddleClassDouchebag #FauxPopulistDouchebag

Fixing your open formatting.Trump barely leads Clinton in unfavorability; however she kicks his ass in untrustworthiness.

She has experience in screwing up, from her first attempt to Obamaney Care Corporate Socialism, to her arming and support of rebels who killed US Government Personnel in Libya. The big banks are 100% with her.

She tries to have it both ways: Experienced Victim. She deliberately set up an unauthorized server that was certainly hacked, which demonstrates she puts politics ahead of national security. If she didn't do it deliberately (absurd), then she's too inexperienced, incautious and inept. That's the real double sided coin of the secretive Nixonesque email server.

The real shock is that with near total Media support, clueless always-wrong pundits supporting her almost to a man, going against a much weaker/less experienced campaign whereas she has decades of triangulation and party control on her side, and the full weight of the status quo, she is marginally ahead of Trump. That's weakness!

The truth is Hillary supporters don't care about her corruption or ineptitude.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Trump barely leads Clinton in unfavorability

That's the first dispositive thing you've been able to say about the #Douchebag other than you can't stand him.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

She He has experience in screwing up, from her first attempt to Obamaney Care Corporate Socialism the moment he was born into money and got tens of millions of loans and lost a billion dollars during a real estate boom, and went on to take the fifth 37 times in order to avoid admitting he likes to to cheat on every woman he's ever married.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

The big banks are 100% with her bailed him out more than Charles Keating, another one of your Oligarch hero-types..

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

The real shock is that with near total Media support, clueless always-wrong pundits supporting her almost to a man, going against a much weaker/less experienced campaign whereas she has decades of triangulation and party control on her side, and the full weight of the status quo, she is marginally ahead of Trump. That's weakness!

Nah, it's just garden variety stupidity of you conservative conspiracy believing dupes who live all day on the internet talking to each other praying for some Oligarch elitist to burn the house down and validate your personal loss of power in the modern world while pretending he is even aware of your frustrated existence. That's weakness: that you would have to depend on a profound ignoramus to set your world aright. Whew! You guys are at the very bottom of your barrel. Oh well, you can always hope for Alex Jones or Jeff Boss to become your next great white hope candidate.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

The truth is Hillary Trump supporters don't care about her corruption or ineptitude his ignorance, dishonesty, instability, rich guy tax plan, ruinous spending plan, anti-middle class policies, and grotesque sagging wattle face..

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

The truth is Hillary supporters don't care about her corruption or ineptitude.

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

Do you figure it's just that all of the educated people are willing to sacrifice their country for their own benefit? If so, how do you figure Trump will screw them over? Do you figure that he will drive away the high paying jobs? Will he just reduce their salaries? Or is the Trump effect limited to knocking 20% off of the stock market and the educated class's retirement portfolios?

YesYNot says

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

Hillary=Evil guys are much more religious because more education=less religious. More religious=less likely to believe expert opinion on any subject found in disagreement with the overly religious. Faux anti-establishment, faux liberal, conspiracy believing, low information, echo chamber, hive-mind cuckservatives=Hillary is evil. Once the #OrangeDouchebag takes a dump on "the everything" they will feel better about themselves. That's all that really matters. Poor #tiggered little kittens.

YesYNot says

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

Would your statement pass the 30-person Millennial team of CNN fact checkers? Remember, you all are demanding absolute precision of every syllable (only when it's coming out of the mouth of a Republican, of course)... But you should at least try to set a good example.

"Blue-collar voters certainly make up the bulk of Trump’s large coalition, but he is also doing very well among Republicans with college degrees. In six of the statewide GOP exit polls so far, Trump was the most popular candidate among college-educated voters. In another six, he was their second-place choice. (Only in Oklahoma did Trump fall out of the top two among those with college degrees.) A large number of college Republicans count themselves as Trump supporters as well."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/5-myths-about-trump-supporters-220158#ixzz4ME8JgvHs
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turtledove is deplorable says

Would your statement pass the 30-person Millennial team of CNN fact checkers?

Yes. Feel free to do a broad-based analysis if you like. Here's a start.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Trump+polls+education
Over the last few months, I've seen poll after poll clearly showing that educated voters strongly prefer Clinton. If you look at people with more than 4 yrs of post-secondary education (grad school), the difference is even more stark. This doesn't necessarily contradict what you posted, which was based on Republicans rather than the whole electorate and was in March. Him basically tying other republicans in the primary among educated people while he was kicking the opponents asses across the board is consistent with his relative lack of appeal among educated people.

YesYNot says

that educated voters strongly prefer Clinton.

By "educated voter" you mean people with higher education degrees. Yes, but there are plenty of educated voters, in both senses of the word, that will vote Trump. He is set to take about 40% of the popular vote ... of which 10-15% I'd probably find deplorable ... but with Clinton set to take 50+% of the vote, I'd probably find an equal amount of deplorability as well.

The point is, there is a large segment of whiskey tango racists, alt-right, and white nationalism that will find itself aligned with Trump. There are also a lot of 'just regular people' in that camp too. To argue there is not is going to doom us as a nation.

I also think this line of argument reinforces an elitist condescension theme as a reaction. Neither candidate heals us, or fixes anything, but we don't need to strengthen the divisions between us. I'll argue the ideas, but not poke at the worth of the people who believe them.

#ReasonsForCIConIgnore #substanceMatters

YesYNot says

Yes. Feel free to do a broad-based analysis if you like. Here's a start.

What I posted is from one of your beloved sources. Is that not good enough? I'm sure I could find some right leaning stats on all this that would show Politico underestimated the numbers of college educated Trump supporters... But the fact that it's coming from a respected entity that tends to lean left should cause you to pause in your absurd assertions that Hillary represents all the college educated voters. For you to ask why we don't just trust your side because you represent the American intelligencia is ridiculous.... and based on a myth, as so eloquently described for you in the Politico article on "The 5 myths about Trump supporters."

turtledove is deplorable says

Would your statement pass the 30-person Millennial team of CNN fact checkers? Remember, you all are demanding absolute precision of every syllable (only when it's coming out of the mouth of a Republican, of course)... But you should at least try to set a good example.

TDove, you need only look at the media coverage of the VP debate as evidence that things are far less biased than you claim.

Your support of Trump, to me, seems driven by a desire to thumb your nose at the system. You are right, the system is in a large way failing good hard working American families. But I think you are being pretty dishonest with yourself if you think revelations of Trump's falsehoods primarily stem from media favoritism and simple exposure.

Admit it. Trump spouts absolute awe striking statements, and will double down on them or 180 on them, without warning. He isn't running on careful and diplomatic speech. He is running on base appeal (in all senses of the word base). ;)

Rew says

Admit it. Trump spouts absolute awe striking statements, and will double down on them or 180 on them, without warning. He isn't running on careful and diplomatic speech.

I think it's clear.
If the biggest problem with him were paying as little tax as he can and being an ass, then ask yourself: how do these flaws compare to supporting a system that's pushing 50% of Americans into poverty?
The hell with diplomatic speech. This part absolutely has to be ignored.

If you think one party is smarter or dumber than the next, I've got some chilling news for you, most of the US population is dumb as hell.

www.youtube.com/embed/WJlY9C7YWzI

Rew says

" But I think you are being pretty dishonest with yourself if you think revelations of Trump's falsehoods primarily stem from media favoritism and simple exposure."

I see the media favoritism in the fact that it does not go after Clinton in a similar way it goes after Trump; in some cases even for much more serious issues.

When you have a candidate responsible for the death of thousands of people, albeit brown people, the faults of the other candidate who has insulted some immigrants or a beauty contestant, should not be the main subject of media debate.

YesYNot says

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

Not interested. Educated people make mistakes all the time.

I grew up with Plenty of "Educated" Teachers with Masters Degrees who were dumber than a box of Rocks, thought they were super cultured because they saw Cats at the Wintergarden theater and went to Paris once, but simply towed the line on a host of issues and did not think for themselves. They were good at memorizing.

Educated doesn't mean just doctors, engineers, etc. It also means Bachelors and Masters in Social Work, English, and Psychology.

The Paranormal and Self-Help section of bookstores is chock full of crap written by Educated people with degrees from Major Universities.

YesYNot says

I also think this line of argument reinforces an elitist condescension theme as a reaction.

Definitely!

Jaywalking is performed in LA/aka LibbyLand.
Thus, this is a damning indictment...

epitaph says

If you think one party is smarter or dumber than the next, I've got some chilling news for you, most of the US population is dumb as hell.

www.youtube.com/embed/WJlY9C7YWzI

Rew says

Yes, but there are plenty of educated voters, in both senses of the word, that will vote Trump.

Yeah, I agree with that.
turtledove is deplorable says

in your absurd assertions that Hillary represents all the college educated voters.

Well, I never asserted that. I said
YesYNot says

the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

That means not all people, and not a simple majority, but somewhere between all and a simple majority.

I googled this: Trump polls education, and I get the following results. I'm not filtering to find things that support my point of view. I'm just summarizing the polls that are first in the results to that search string.

Bloomberg : 8/12 : Clinton wins college educated by 25pts. 59% to 34%
WaPo : 8/17 : in VA, Clinton leads college educated whites 56% to 31%. Trump wins non college whites 59% to 30%.
Politico : Monmouth poll over summer : White men no college, Trump wins by 31 pts. Whte men with college, Trump iwns by 11 pts. White women without college, Trump wins by 17 pts. White women with college, Clinton wins 57 to 27. They don't give the colllege men and women combined, but it's clear that Clinton has a big lead.
Morning consult: 7/28: Clinton wins 51% to 34% among people with post-graduate degrees. With Bachelors degree holders, Clinton leads 45 to 40.
Brookings Inst: 8/16 : From ABC/Washington Post polls: Before the convention, Clinton beat Trump among white college educated women 45 pts to 45 pts. After the convention, it was 57 pct to 38pct.
NYT / Siena College poll in NC : 9/16 : In a 2-way race, Clinton is up 45 to 43. Among college educated whites, Clinton is up 39% to 38%. Among non-educated whites, Trump is winning 66% to 17%. A lot of the reason for the split in NC is that the college educated are more likely to be from Northern states.
Pew research : 9/15 : Registered voters with a college degree or more education favor Clinton over Trump by 23% (52% to 29%) in a 4-way contest. Voters without a college degree favor Trump: 41% to Clinton 36% in a 4 way race.

In hindsight, maybe I should have said clear majority instead of vast majority or largest majority in 30 yrs (one of the articles stated something like that).

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Not interested. Educated people make mistakes all the time.

Sure they do. But on average, educated people make better decisions across the board in financial choices, choosing what to eat, how to be healthy, or whatever. IMO, that's the primary reason that they live longer than less educated people. They have been taught how to read and think critically. There are plenty of geniuses or just plain smart people who can read and think critically without a formal education. But the education helps.

I am not going around calling everyone who voted for Trump a dumb ass, or saying that they are brainwashed, or that they just don't care about his corruption and ineptitude. If I were saying those things about Hillary supporters, the fact that I agreed with the majority of the uneducated people, and disagreed with the majority of educated people would give me pause. I would certainly be less smug about my opinions when I looked around and saw who agreed with me.

turtledove is deplorable says

But the fact that it's coming from a respected entity that tends to lean left should cause you to pause in your absurd assertions that Hillary represents all the college educated voters.

Are you serious ?

turtledove is deplorable says

YesYNot says

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

Would your statement pass the 30-person Millennial team of CNN fact checkers? Remember, you all are demanding absolute precision of every syllable (only when it's coming out of the mouth of a Republican, of course)... But you should at least try to set a good example.

"Blue-collar voters certainly make up the bulk of Trump’s large coalition, but he is also doing very well among Republicans with college degrees. In six of the statewide GOP exit polls so far, Trump was the most popular candidate among college-educated voters.

Does TD really think that Trump being the most popular candidate among college educated republicans, contradicts YesYNot's stateent that the vast majority of college educated voters prefer Clinton ?

Apparently yes ?

rando says

YesYNot says

I also think this line of argument reinforces an elitist condescension theme as a reaction.

Definitely!

LOL as if the #Douchebag isn't the most elitist of the elites and doesn't have the most appalling condescension of any candidate: "No one but me, in the history of the universe, believe me, folks". Naw, #Deplorables are just #TriggeredArsonists. They may rail against corrupt elitist corporatists, so when their corrupt elitist corporatist candidate tells them he has a bomb to throw in the right direction, they obediently refuse to track his myriad positions that prove his only effort will be in favor of corrupt elitist corporatists like himself.

It is an act of the utmost desperation to vote for a profoundly ignorant and ripened Oligarch just because you think he might destroy enough things to accidentally do something good. Why not nominate the plague? It was successful! Brilliant!! It lead the world!! It got shit done!!

YesYNot says

hey have been taught how to read and think critically

Sometimes this is true. But it's less and less true as the years go by and they're encouraged to retreat to their safe spaces where critical thinking has been abolished in favor of mindless dogma. The sad thing is, our higher education system is going the way of the madrassa, teaching nothing but theology, which usually doesn't make much sense, isn't coherent at all, and is contradictory, but still it's mandatory to believe it.

marcus says

Does TD really think that Trump being the most popular candidate among college educated republicans, contradicts YesYNot's stateent that the vast majority of college educated voters prefer Clinton ?

Apparently yes ?

Republicans still cannot grasp that they are a subset of American voters, and thus, when you speak of larger sets they short circuit until you explain it to them several times. It's a condition evident in other examples of their outlook, championed by their standard bearers:

marcus says

Does TD really think that Trump being the most popular candidate among college educated republicans, contradicts YesYNot's stateent that the vast majority of college educated voters prefer Clinton ?

I immediately explained that it didn't contradict my statement. But this is an issue where critical thinking or lack there of comes in to play.

Quigley is deplorable says

The sad thing is, our higher education system is going the way of the madrassa, teaching

There may be some truth to this hyperbolic Trumpian statement. Time will tell. In the mean time, The statistics are not limited to recent graduates, but are based on educated people of all ages. So you have to consider education as it was when each person went to school (over the last 60 years).

Mike Pence clearly was trying to win by being calm and likable, which is a win for Trump, but more so a win for Pence.
Kaine was clearly trying to play the attack dog going after Trump. Because Pence would not try to defend Trump, anyone who focused on the words could see that Kaine made much better points. Those who focused on who looked more like the Joker, who tried too hard, or prepared too much, or came off like the eager beaver in school thought Pence was better.

Heraclitusstudent says

I think it's clear.

If the biggest problem with him were paying as little tax as he can and being an ass, then ask yourself: how do these flaws compare to supporting a system that's pushing 50% of Americans into poverty?

The hell with diplomatic speech. This part absolutely has to be ignored.

If only it was his taxes and being an ass alone. His real problems are he will be completely ineffective in diplomacy, a national embarrassment greater than Bush, and if his is able to implement protectionism, his tax plan, and defense/wall spending he would bankrupt the nation in short order. In actuality, I think he will be completely inept and absent. Pence would find the VP seat very lonely, powerful, and uncomfortable trying to clean up after Trump dumps.

I see the Trump appeal in this ...

Problem: The house's roof is leaking.
Solution: Burn it down.

... but people are greatly underestimating just how bad of a solution that is. Bernie was an appeal to reform. Trump is an appeal to fire.

YesYNot says

Mike Pence clearly was trying to win by being calm and likable, which is a win for Trump, but more so a win for Pence.

Kaine was clearly trying to play the attack dog going after Trump. Because Pence would not try to defend Trump, anyone who focused on the words could see that Kaine made much better points. Those who focused on who looked more like the Joker, who tried too hard, or prepared too much, or came off like the eager beaver in school thought Pence was better.

Totally agree. Yes, style can win over substance. A debate coach would be super pissed with Kaine. ;)

jazz music says

Look, Kaine was rude, Clinton was stoic. Trump was rude, Pence was stoic.

Yeah, I noticed this too. It was surely by design. All indications are that Kaine is usually pretty mellow, but was playing a part.Rew says

Bernie was an appeal to reform. Trump is an appeal to fire.

This rings pretty accurate to me. I prefer HRC to Bernie, but would be fine with Bernie. Not so much with Trump.

Rew says

A debate coach would be super pissed with Kaine. ;)

Probably true, unless Kaine achieved his goal of keeping the focus on Trump's bad lines and defending Clinton while coming off as a bit of an ass.

turtledove is deplorable says

YesYNot says

Do you Hillary=evil guys ever try to figure out why the vast majority of educated people prefer Hillary to Trump?

This is exactly what you said. Now you want to pretend it's something else. Roughly half the country supports Trump... and you want to believe that all the college educated people are on your side. Believe that if it makes you feel better. That doesn't make it so. Polls have been done on a very similar subject. The last one I read said it was about a 48% (Democrat) vs 42% (Republican) have college degrees. This is hardly the "vast majority" when comparing party affiliations... How did Politico even poll college educated Trump supporters if they are as scarce as you want to believe? But by all means, continue to be smug that you all are the smartest guys in the room... That's actually working against your side and you don't seem to even realize it.

YesYNot says

anyone who focused on the words could see that Kaine made much better points.

In other words, thinkers.

jazz music says

Trumps own fucking lawyers are suing him for not paying them and they were hired to protect him from the lawsuits of the other people who are suing him for not getting paid by him.

It is amazing until you think on it: Trump would rather pay lawyers than pay his bills; eventually he'll stiff his lawyers just on principle.

jazz music says

Trump wants to win for winning sake: that means he wants to make people that aren't like him all losers. That is us. I mean ALL of us.

Yup. I saw an interview with one of his many victims. The victim du jour was just a Joe, a nobody, who said: "To Trump it was sport but to me it was survival, and I lost everything." Trump welshes when he needn't; he lies when there's no value in it; he attacks small commoners for fabricated slights. He does things for no reason. Where I come from we called someone like him a punk.

jazz music says

Why do people just refuse to see the obvious???

The roof has a leak. Maybe their wife dissed them. they're looking for a dog to kick.

jazz music says

I read the state level is getting bought out by big Koch and other corporate money especially the supreme courts, that's where it all begins to fall apart, when the supreme courts turn their backs on the people and start coddling the big money bags.

This is the true danger posed by the#OrangeDouchebag: the courts. But nobody cares in Trumpland. If you can burn down the house who cares about all the rights that commoners would have to surrender? The Oligarchs have what they want! Fuck the people!

Crooked Hillary will always Favor Wall Street, as she always has.

She will always do Saudi Arabia's bidding in the Middle East. She'll moan that a city being liberated from Al Qaeda and ISIS incurs civilian casualties, as if it's ever possible to liberate a city and the surrounding area without it. Saudi as HR head is laughable as they dump bombs right onto hospitals, schools, and residential areas in Yemen and have the country under total blockade, medicine is almost totally gone. They don't allow reporters or NGOs in the country as the only way in or out in Riyadh and the Saudis don't let them go to Yemen.

"TARP was paid back" - yep, by eliminating free checking and approval to charge new massive bank fees, which are around half of bank revenue. Most of that was assessed on small accounts of individuals and small business. So the taxpayer paid for the bailout, without preventing future moral hazard.

YesYNot says

rando says

Maybe I shouldn't allow that.

While I think my use was fairly innocuous, there may be some security issues. Some people make perfectly good use of links, though. @curious2 would have to change his posting habits if you disallowed links with alternative text in posts.

Thanks, and this illustrates yet again the profound importance of who your neighbors are. If you bring in Nazis or jihadis, you risk malicious code getting hidden all over the place. If someone can hack into Patrick's account, then every link could redirect to stormfront or malware.

The same applies IRL. I tracked down the source of an Oktoberfest article posted in another thread. The article comes from RT, which goes on to note:

"Oktoberfest is no stranger to terrorism. One of the worst terrorist attacks in post-war history occurred at the festival in 1980, when a right-wing extremist set off a bomb that killed him and 11 others at the main entrance to the event."

I react to Nazis and Muslims the same way and for the same reason: both celebrate a hateful and horrible doctrine that tells them to kill me, and that has caused believers to murder millions of people.

Donald Trump started to do much better among educated voters when he started to speak candidly about Islam, because educated voters are more likely to read what Islam says. Alas, partisans who value being "a team player" more highly than adherence to evidence-based decisionmaking have tended to refuse to read what Islam says, and to refuse to read what is actually happening in the world, preferring instead the "team player" narrative. Whatever. After the VP debate, between the two major parties, the Democrats seem to be the less bad team compared to the other major party. I still like Gary Johnson and Bill Weld though, even though one doesn't know what "a leppo" is and the other seems too distracted by the Republican nominee.

BTW, one reason educated people live longer than uneducated people starts in early childhood, even before the education. Experiments with small children and treats have shown that those who can delay gratification in exchange for a greater reward are more likely to do better in school, go further in school, and live longer. The ability to say no to a box of donuts or a cigarette in exchange for better health and a longer life pays off over time, regardless of whether you stay in school or not.