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What Do Donald Trump Voters Actually Want?

By Exleftie follow Exleftie   2016 Oct 13, 7:49am 9,108 views   62 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/

I asked Donald Trump supporters why they believe that the billionaire real-estate developer will treat them any better than the career politicians they mistrust.

The dozens of replies that I received from across the United States make up the largest collection I’ve encountered of Trump supporters setting forth their thinking in their own words. And having read through this non-representative sample, I understand the candidate’s rise better than I did before.

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23   carrieon   ignore (0)   2016 Oct 16, 6:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump supporters all agree anyone but Hillary will be an improvement. Translated, Hillary will continue the trend of turning America into a 3rd world hell hole.
Hillary supporters all agree anyone but Trump will be an improvement. Translated, Trump wants us to trust him instead of our government check gravy train.

24   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 16, 7:11am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

I think there are 3 reasons why people want Trump.
1. Islamic problem. He is tough on Islam, while the democrats are pussycats.
2. Unfair trade policies. Especially with China.
3. Politicians are not trusted. Trump has been a businessman all his life. People like his non PC comments.

As for his thing about women. Who cares. What he can do to solve the country's problems is all that matters.

25   Y   ignore (3)   2016 Oct 16, 7:16am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

I see you haven't been to med school...

bob2356 says

Clinton's liver has red scaly patches? You can tell that from the color of her eyes? That is just fucking amazing. You learn something new every single day on patnet.

26   Y   ignore (3)   2016 Oct 16, 7:23am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

If the women who claim to be victims cared they would have called the coppers right after the event.
And trump would have been dealt with at the time.
Instead, strangely, after decades of smouldering, it all catches fire 3 weeks before the election and everybody remembers everything.
While clinton bribery cash is bankrolled by the state department.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/4/state-dept-misplaced-6b-under-hillary-clinton-ig-r/

Strategist says

As for his thing about women. Who cares.

27   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 9:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Anyone seriously considering voting for Trump should listen to this first.

28   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Oct 16, 9:59am     ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag      

Strategist says

I think there are 3 reasons why people want Trump.

1. Islamic problem. He is tough on Islam, while the democrats are pussycats.

2. Unfair trade policies. Especially with China.

3. Politicians are not trusted. Trump has been a businessman all his life. People like his non PC comments.

As for his thing about women. Who cares. What he can do to solve the country's problems is all that matters.

That's a pretty good summary.

30   HEY YOU   ignore (10)   2016 Oct 16, 10:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Strategist says

I think there are 3 reasons why people want Trump.

1. Islamic problem. He is tough on Islam, while the democrats are pussycats.

2. Unfair trade policies. Especially with China.

3. Politicians are not trusted. Trump has been a businessman all his life. People like his non PC comments.

1. Republicans solved the Muslim problem.No economic dealings with terrorist nations.
2. Republicans have stopped all outsourcing.& they never buy Communist China products.
Would bet they only own "Made in america" stuff.
3. Donald Trump running for highest political office. Glad he is not a politician.

"As for his thing about women. Who cares. What he can do to solve the country's problems is all that matters."

Hey bitches you don't matter!
We will see what women think about the idiot in Nov.

31   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2016 Oct 16, 11:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

People like his non PC comments.

People vicariously get a kick out of saying "fuck you" through Trump at our representatives who get away with ignoring us and NOT representing us. IN fact they not only get away with ignoring us, they become SO rich and powerful by ignoring us that they would all be fools to NOT ignore us. Whoa, ... think about that for a minute.

Expecting representatives to represent us has become a laughable expectation in representatives circles AND YET AT THE SAME TIME we split ourselves into two camps; 1) flag wavers who smugly lay claim to being patriots, and don't want to hear complaints because they complain wanting less taxes, MORE wars, drug war and "law and order" as the real priorities and 2) real patriots who want to get back to real democracy who get brushed off as triggly-poof lovers wanting welfare entitlements that don't go to corporations directly.

QED the USA is currently occupied by enemy forces: the oligarchs's corporations, of course, at war against each other and against us. Oligarchs actually benefit in terms of legitimization from the PRETENSE of democracy once every 4 years, which exists more to justify and even ennoble their oligarchy and their tyrannical minions. (the profit maximizers and the enforcers) Oligarchs will tolerate the pretense as long as we don't try to take the effect of democracy any further than the tradition of voting every 4 years which is a tradition that oligarchs have managed to fully control, yet gain the tacit basis of our consent to being ruled by oligarchs.

Vote Trump since past votes for a good candidate didn't do any good, then you figure voting for a laughable candidate can't really do any harm.

No no no it doesn't work that way. That is not the revolution that will save you. A President Trump is sure to have tragic consequences for America.

Listen to Marcus' video by Sam Harris, author. It's a half hour, but it won't kill you to listen to it. Mr. Harris pinpoints some major issues about Trump that you should understand.

By the way, Trump had his trial date postponed to November 28 for Trump U and the bilking he managed in exchange for his huuuge promises and courses offering only pseudo-knowlege.

Trump is the surrogate revolution. He is like having a movie come out just when people are enraged about a social issue where the action hero solves the social issue in the course of the movie and it ends with the fanfare and the audience goes home feeling all relieved, proud, stuffed with ridiculously-priced popcorn. They get up and go back to work the next day more resigned to silent obedience and the worries of their corporate profit maximizers.

As long as the oligarchy gets that cooperation out of us, the work, the blowing money, the child-bearing, the bill-paying, that's all that really matters.

32   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2016 Oct 16, 11:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

Strategist says

I think there are 3 reasons why people want Trump.


1. Islamic problem. He is tough on Islam, while the democrats are pussycats.


2. Unfair trade policies. Especially with China.


3. Politicians are not trusted. Trump has been a businessman all his life. People like his non PC comments.

As for his thing about women. Who cares. What he can do to solve the country's problems is all that matters.

That's a pretty good summary.

You're not bothered by his record of telling falsehoods over 70% of the time? How can you trust he would do what he says and do it right?

33   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2016 Oct 16, 11:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

listen to this first.

I listened to the whole thing. I never heard of Sam Harris, author.

His observations were not pristine in my view but I felt generally enlightened by his POV.

That was a real eye-opener about the watch commander pleading for understanding of why he won't pursue the home invasion suspects even when the victim locates them. I do not believe the watch commander because the statistics on arrests bear out the violent crime arrests are few compared to the more lucrative traffic stops, drunks and marijuana arrests.

It's more or less obvious cutting through all the sensational shit that Hillary Clinton was probably doing the e-mail server as a matter of convenience, privacy too, that several of her peers were also getting away with doing, but it doesn't rise to the level of outrage that the alt-right has made it. Same as Bill Clinton's affair counting against Hillary, or even counting against his presidency. Bill Clinton must have been very inconvenient to some powerful people for that to have EVER happened. Look at Trump.

It is funny that some people want to believe Trump will save us, who want to stay uninvolved, and some want to vote for Trump just as a way of ridiculing the idea of voting at all.

34   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Oct 16, 11:32am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says

You're not bothered by his record of telling falsehoods over 70% of the time? How can you trust he would do what he says and do it right?

Compared to Hillary?

You're not bothered by her ties to Saudi Arabia including Huma, her support for exporting US jobs and importing cheaper workers to undercut US wages, her secret email server, the ridiculously biased corporate mainstream press in her favor, the bizarre spectacle of a terrified elite abandoning the pretense of two parties (ie, support for Hillary by top Republicans), her underhanded disposal of Bernie?

I honestly think Trump is the lesser evil by far. We need someone, anyone, who is not part of the corrupt and ossifying elite that thought they had perfected control of the public via the press.

35   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 16, 11:40am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

We need someone, anyone, who is not part of the corrupt and ossifying elite that thought they could just tell the public who to vote for, again.

That is what has been happening until Trump came along and broke the glass ceiling. The elites always chose who could run for President, giving the citizen the choice of a few.
No more politics as usual. The citizen decided Trump could run.

36   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 12:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

her support for exporting US jobs and importing cheaper workers to undercut US wages

This is such total BS politics. Exporting of US manufacturing, the existence of help centers in India, outsourcing on a global scale has been going on for at least thirty years. TPP isn't very much about that. Trump talks that issue to get the vote of frustrated working class people. It's not because he's going to do anything about it. Hell, it's practically over now anyway. Jobs can come back here if we lead the way in robotics - or at least keep up, with robotics implementation in manufacturing.

Investing in training and education is the only thing that's going to help our workers and make us competitive.

37   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Oct 16, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

Investing in training and education is the only thing that's going to help our workers and make us competitive.

Wrong.

I bring to your attention three good articles about free trade:

http://www.ianwelsh.net/ricardos-caveat/
http://www.ianwelsh.net/free-trade-is-elties-betraying-their-own-populations/
http://www.ianwelsh.net/trumponomics-how-the-trump-economic-plan-will-wor/

38   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 1:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FP says

I bring to your attention three good articles about free trade:

Okay. I read the third one of your opinion pieces. Scary stuff. Two comments

1) I don't believe tariffs are wise right now. If they could work, it would only be after a massive global recession (and war?).

2) What reason do we have to believe that Trump actually cares about improving our economy for workers ? Rather than just wanting their vote. He's a guy that often chooses not to pay people that work for him, and he's manufactures things in other countries and used Chinese steel in his buildings.

A quote from the third link:


Trump is running as the fascist version of FDR: He’s the class traitor. He’s a billionaire who knows how the game is played, knows it is crooked, and is going to betray his own kind to work for the American people.

(i say bullshit - but who wants this ?)

He will be popular. Once his economic plan works, he will be even more popular. He will be idolized by those who support him. The people who hate him most will be deported, powerless, or crawling on their belly for his approval (most of the media).

Remember, FDR improved the US economy.

But Hitler and Mussolini, they really improved Germany and Italy’s economies.

This, my friends, is why I kept warning that current elites were setting the conditions for the rise of a man on horseback, from fascism or the far left.

39   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 1:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

who is not part of the corrupt and ossifying elite that thought they had perfected control of the public via the press.

Ever since 9/11 people, even otherwise smart people believe ridiculous conspiracy theories.

TRump openly talks about how he will control the press. We're talking an entirely different level of control. He wants to be like Putin.

Are you crazy ?

40   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2016 Oct 16, 1:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I wish I knew more about the incentives to take work offshore. I do know it has been going on since about 1980 when a family member was program management level involved in a major USA company with a division of manufacturing, R&D, and finance under him. He was supposed to make VP but they never made him VP because he is SO MUCH LIKE TRUMP. hahaha ... ohh, but I digress.

I know that wealth gets to slide off the books by going offshore and also avoids taxes. PBS has a detailed podcast about how that works using shell corporations. If you travel to a tax haven resort they advertise like crazy to set up shell corporations. You can't sue them because you can't find which one really has the money and it will require an iterative search of several companies by serial lawsuits that take too long to ever hope to accomplish anything really.

BUT I agree with with FP in his criticism of marcus' POV that marcus is wrong. ADVANTAGEOUS POLICY is the lynch pin that makes business change, usually tax policies too.

41   jazz_music   ignore (14)   2016 Oct 16, 1:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FP says

three good articles about free trade:

Wow this is from the second link. Very poignant stuff there. I plan to ead all these later when I have more discretionary time, thanks FP.

...Internally, free trade is used to create betrayals. Trade deals do not allow environmental protections, do not allow high wages, and do not allow fair treatment of workers. Otherwise, you aren’t competitive and the usual remedies, like tariffs and subsidies, are not allowed by those same trade deals. This allows oligarchs in every country involved in the deal to put downward pressure on wages, regulations, benefits, and even standards of humane treatment, in the name of “competitiveness.”

A wise society, including a global society, takes certain types of behavior “off the table,” by just forbidding them. Absent that, they make it so that those who do such things are not rewarded. Fail to do either of these things and you find yourself in a race to the bottom.

Note, again, that this is in oligarchs’ best interest EVEN if their country loses. Greek oligarchs, post-crash, are doing just fine. African potentates walk away with multi-million dollar bank accounts even as their own citizens starve to death. Business owners want to push down wages and costs, no matter where they are. This devastates countries and even the citizenry of many of the winning countries (like the US), but it benefits the few a great deal in relative terms. They’d be better off, as a class, in absolute terms if they took this behaviour off the table, but they wouldn’t be as rich relative to everyone else, or as powerful, and they value that relative wealth and power more than absolute wealth and power. It isn’t enough that they win, their own populations must be poor and weak, too.

Free trade is a bad idea. Free capital flows are a worse idea. Managed trade is a good idea and slow capital flows are a better idea (there is no evidence that foreign capital develops countries, as an aside, see Ha-Joon Chang on that).

Free trade, as we practice it, is about our country’s elites betraying their own populations.

42   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Oct 16, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

Okay. I read the third one of your opinion pieces.

Ah, you should start with the first. The first two are more important.

marcus says

What reason do we have to believe that Trump actually cares about improving our economy for workers

I don't think he cares. But the first thing in solving a problem is recognizing what the problem is. His rhetoric helps at least in this regard.

43   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Oct 16, 1:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

TRump openly talks about how he will control the press. We're talking an entirely different level of control. He wants to be like Putin.

Links please.

44   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 2:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz music says

BUT I agree with with FP in his criticism of marcus' POV that marcus is wrong

I'll agree that I shouldn't have said that training and education is the only thing. But I'll stand by the idea that it's better than protectionism. Have we heard good debates about what the pros and cons of protectionism through tarrifs would be ?

I don't think so. Have we heard a debate about which industries we would even want tariffs implemented on ?

FP pointed us to some opinion pieces about how awesome it will be to have a fascist dictator. Was that his argument ? Why can't these policies be debated ?

45   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 2:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21695855-americas-economy-benefits-hugely-trade-its-costs-have-been-amplified-policy

In any case, cheap imports were a windfall for American consumers. Excluding food and energy, prices of goods have fallen almost every year since NAFTA. Clothes now cost the same as they did in 1986; furnishing a house is as cheap as it was 35 years ago. More trade brought more choice, too. Robert Lawrence and Lawrence Edwards, two economists, estimate that trade with China alone put $250 a year into the pocket of every American by 2008. The gains from cheap stuff flowed disproportionately to the less well-off, because the poor spend more of their incomes on goods than the rich.

At the same time, trade created new markets for American firms. In 1993 America sold nearly $10 billion-worth of cars and parts to Mexico, at today’s prices. By 2013 that had risen to $70 billion. Many American firms have become tightly integrated across the southern border, with low-skilled work done in Mexico and more complex tasks done at home. Exports to China grew by almost 200% between 2005 and 2014, with agriculture and the aerospace and car industries leading the charge. Some workers have benefited from rising exports, because firms that export pay more; one estimate puts the export wage-premium at 18%. Outsourcing low-wage assembly has also increased the productivity of America’s high-skilled workers. For example, Apple’s ability to assemble its iPhones cheaply in China has made the work of its American designers much more lucrative.

The gain and the pain

Trade, though, has an acute image problem. Its benefits are hard to perceive directly, spread as they are across large constituencies: consumers, exporters, and workers who may not realise just how much of what they make is shipped overseas. In contrast, its costs are highly concentrated. Cheap imports have been lethal for many American manufacturers, particularly in the midwestern rustbelt and in the South.

46   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 2:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

But by 2008 Mr Krugman had changed his mind, warning that the sheer volume of trade with China and other poor countries was probably increasing inequality. In 2013 an updated estimate of his model showed that trade with poor countries depressed unskilled workers’ wages by 10% in 2011, up from 2.7% in 1979, according to Josh Bivens of the Economic Policy Institute, a think-tank. In that time, trade accounted for one-third of the rise in the college premium.

For other economists, the impact of trade on jobs was a growing concern. The sharp decline in American manufacturing employment began in 2000, just as Chinese imports took off (see chart). Yet on the extreme assumption that every dollar spent on imports replaced a dollar spent employing an American, Mr Lawrence calculates that between 2000 and 2007 Chinese imports caused, at most, 188,000 of 484,000 annual manufacturing-job losses. A recent, more detailed, estimate by Daron Acemoglu, David Autor and others chalks up about 1m of 5.5m manufacturing jobs lost between 1999 and 2011 to Chinese competition (with similar-sized job losses in other industries).
This implies that many other factors are in play. Technological change is probably the prime culprit for shrinking manufacturing employment. Productivity increases in the industry have been staggering. For instance, since 1994 carmaking’s contribution to GDP—to which outsourced production by American firms does not contribute—has fallen by about 10%. But there are 30% fewer carmaking jobs. This had led to the false impression that America’s car industry has outsourced most of its work. Such are the advances in manufacturing technology that if China disappeared tomorrow, far fewer jobs would return to America’s shores than left them.

But another recent achievement of trade economists has been to show that trade-induced job losses, while relatively small, are particularly painful: more so than those caused by technology. Until recently, most economists assumed that displaced workers could find new work relatively easily. After all, in June 2007, on the eve of the financial crisis, unemployment was 4.6%—lower than it was before the recession of the early 1990s. Between 2000 and 2007 Americans left 5m jobs a month and started 5.1m new ones. A million or so jobs lost to trade with China over more than a decade seems tiny by comparison.

But many workers displaced by Chinese imports did not simply find another job. Mr Autor and his colleagues have shown that, at local level, employment falls at least one-for-one with jobs lost to trade, and that displaced workers are unlikely to move to seek new work. The lowest-skilled who do find new jobs tend to move to similar, and thus similarly vulnerable, employment. One reason for this immobility could be that the economy is now an unwelcoming place for jobseekers without a university degree. The housing collapse of the late 2000s, which left many Americans trapped in negative equity, may have made things worse. This new strain of research has lent support to the claim of Dani Rodrik, a globalisation sceptic, that “If you are of low skill, have little education, and are not very mobile, international trade has been bad news for you pretty much throughout your entire life.”

The losers from trade became reliant on the government. One supposed safety-net was “trade-adjustment assistance” (TAA), a programme dating from 1962 and beefed up after the signing of NAFTA. If the Department of Labour accepts a petition for TAA, workers get an extension to their unemployment-insurance payments. For most of the 2000s, the extension lasted six months. In addition, beneficiaries can enroll in training programmes; if they do, they receive more payments while they train. Workers over 50 also get a kind of wage insurance which pays up to $12,000 over two years to compensate them for starting a new job on lower pay.

47   NoCoupForYou   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 16, 2:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

He said he was going to make it easier to sue the press if they run stories with absolutely no basis.

On the other hand, Obama called for Curators on the Internet, a place people could go to get "Verified" (meaning Government narrative approved) Stories, and longed for the days of "Just 3 Networks" the other day. I guarantee you only Corporate News like ABC and CNN (inc. NPR which is now 90% Corporate Grant funded) will be on the Curating Committee.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-decries-wild-west-media-landscape-214642552.html

It's amazing how many things considered conspiracy theoriy lies - Rumors of the NSA reading everybody's emails, that there really is no WMD in Iraq, that Pakistani High Officials knew all along where OBL was - turn out to be true later on (at which point the PR teams fire up the "Everybody knew that, this is Old News/Open Secret" excuse)

48   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 2:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

These (above) are the Pros and cons or at least a thoughtful discussion and perspective on them. I say we should be forward looking about 21st century jobs, and moving in the direction of a different system that allows for stable rather than growing populations and focus on technology and how our economy will function when productivity of the typical worker is not measured only in the direct impact on profits. Because many making functions will eventually be way more automated.

That is, the correct shift would have been to the left, not to a fascist dictator. Hillary is not a shift to the left, but the success of Bernie should open the door and hopefully Hillary can help things swing a little in that direction. Not having the wrong SCOTUS justices will be key.

49   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Oct 16, 2:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

FP pointed us to some opinion pieces about how awesome it will be to have a fascist dictator.

What?? I'm speechless.

50   marcus   ignore (11)   2016 Oct 16, 2:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

marcus says

TRump openly talks about how he will control the press. We're talking an entirely different level of control. He wants to be like Putin.

Links please.

You haven't been paying attention if you didn't see what he did to the Washinton post, excluding them from his rallies. He criticizes press for quoting the insane stuff he says. And calls that negative coverage.

He says he wants to make it easier to sue the media. He has a long reputation of going after people that say bad things about him. What will he do when he has a lot of power ?

He compliments Putin, and people right here oin this forum agree with TRump that Putin is a better leader than Obama. If you say that, then you must be okay with extremely authoritarian strong man tactics.

http://www.alternet.org/books/new-old-authoritarianism-donald-trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/09/07/donald-trump-wielded-an-authoritarian-press-ban-against-various-media-outlets-for-more-than-a-year/?utm_term=.e0a6feaf13db

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/10/11/lepage-reaffirms-support-for-trump-despite-lewd-comments-criticizes-collins/

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/10/charles-krauthammer-donald-trump-s-threats-go-after-press-if-elected-shows-his-authoritarian/213723

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/7/1566804/-Trump-s-Authoritarian-Risk-on-a-Scale-of-1-10-Poll-and-Discussion-of-Media-Responsibility

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/heres-how-trumps-authoritarianism-would-work.html

http://www.humanosphere.org/human-rights/2016/06/82969/

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/2016/04/19/trump-appeals-to-the-authoritarian-within-vanderbilt-researcher/

Careful what you wish for Patrick.

51   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2016 Oct 16, 2:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ironman says

ThreeBays says

You're not bothered by his record of telling falsehoods over 70% of the time?

Stop getting all your daily news from Daily Koz, Mother Jones and WaPo.

Number of times I've gotten news from any of those? 0

Stop getting your news from Hannity.

52   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 16, 2:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ironman says

jazz music says

I wish I knew more

We wish you did too, but since this is a free speech forum, you get to post what ever delusional thoughts are running through your head between drinks.

Wonder what he is drinking tonight. My guess, it's a 12 pack of Miller Lite, purchased from 7-11 at twice the price, even though there is a Walmart next to him.

53   Strategist   ignore (2)   2016 Oct 16, 2:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FP says

I bring to your attention three good articles about free trade:

http://www.ianwelsh.net/ricardos-caveat/

http://www.ianwelsh.net/free-trade-is-elties-betraying-their-own-populations/

http://www.ianwelsh.net/trumponomics-how-the-trump-economic-plan-will-wor/

I'm a super strong believer in free trade, as long as it's free and fair. Sadly, it's tilted in favor of China.
Now they use our money for an arms race that we cannot afford.

54   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Oct 16, 2:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says

He compliments Putin, and people right here oin this forum agree with TRump that Putin is a better leader than Obama.

I do not know what exactly you consider a compliment. I know that the other US politicians have been trying to demonize Putin and have lied shamelessly in doing it.

Putin is intelligent, erudite, skillful, and his foreign policy has been more moderate and reasonable than that of Obama and Hillary. I have no opinion about his domestic politics. The situation there is complicated. Democracy cannot be installed overnight and there are times when it may not the the best option. Furthermore, no country has perfect democracy. The US for example, is closer to an oligarchy. Putin is popular in Russia.

55   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2016 Oct 16, 2:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

ThreeBays says

You're not bothered by his record of telling falsehoods over 70% of the time? How can you trust he would do what he says and do it right?

Compared to Hillary?

You're not bothered by her ties to Saudi Arabia including Huma, her support for exporting US jobs and importing cheaper workers to undercut US wages, her secret email server, the ridiculously biased corporate mainstream press in her favor, the bizarre spectacle of a terrified elite abandoning the pretense of two parties (ie, support for Hillary by top Republicans), her underhanded disposal of Bernie?

I honestly think Trump is the lesser evil by far. We need someone, anyone, who is not part of the corrupt and ossifying elite that thought they had perfected control of the public via the press.

Thanks for the anti-Clinton list. Where's your Trump list? Here, enjoy: http://quantum-displacement.tumblr.com/post/146015554444/anti-trump-masterpost

No I'm not as bothered by Hillary's presidency as I am by Trump's, not even close.

56   missing   ignore (1)   2016 Oct 16, 3:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says

Where's your Trump list?

It's everywhere, all the time on the CorpMedia.

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ThreeBays says

No I'm not as bothered by Hillary's presidency as I am by Trump's, not even close.

And why would you be? The lives of brown people aren't worth much after all.

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FP says

ThreeBays says

No I'm not as bothered by Hillary's presidency as I am by Trump's, not even close.

And why would you be? The lives of brown people aren't worth much after all.

What does that even mean? You're not exactly helping your case.

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ThreeBays says

What does that even mean? You're not exactly helping your case.

It is sarcasm amigo. The candidate who you support is a warmonger. She has been instrumental or has championed policies that that have killed or impoverished many people. That have wrecked whole countries for many generations to come, have created a huge refugee crisis and conditions for the emergence of a powerful terrorist organization. That have resulted in the rape and sexual enslavement of thousands of women. But you are not bothered of course. It's happening far away and to brown people. They don't talk about it on TV or NPR, so it can't be that bad, can it?

I don't support anyone in this election (anymore). I am bothered by the potential presidency of either of them. I am bothered by the blatant partiality of the media; I've never seen annoying like this. I am also bothered by the blindness, naiveté, and stupidity of people who consider themselves liberal or even progressive, which is what usually prompts me to comment about the elections here

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marcus says

rando says

marcus says

TRump openly talks about how he will control the press. We're talking an entirely different level of control. He wants to be like Putin.

Links please.

Still do not see him talking about controlling the press. Maybe you can find some quotes.

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