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zzyzzx is sad says

Exactly what's the treatment for migraines outside the US that works so great.

Or stairs.

Damn, I suddenly developed a fear of stairs (Bathmophobia? Climacophobia?).

I really don't understand how some of you can make jokes about this.

Assholes.

Insouciance is not disrespect, she was well loved.

1. I truly miss turtlelove, she appreciated my jokes
2. This is really affecting me

My deepest condolences to her family. It's a tragedy for many of us.

I remain dismayed by the tragic loss of a true favorite on PatNet. Almost everyone liked her, and everyone should have.

I don't know whether a hospital had a role in what happened, but hospitals injure a substantial percentage of patients, and "medical misadventure" is now the third leading cause of death in the USA. If a hospital robbed us of Turtledove, I hope accountability will follow. Just to be safe though, I should remind the second amendment people to let the legal process take its course. Worst case scenario, when cannibal anarchy reaches San Clemente, AF/DBOAPD can serve up the hospital board for dinner, with yams and fava beans and a nice chianti.

Condolences to the turtledove family. Long time lurker and loved her contributions.

That said, I'm gonna go into Gary territory.

I know Patrick mentioned that her husband had said she was suffering from migraine headaches. I would presume that she (or at her husbands request being a doctor) would have looked into this. MMR in his OP stated she requested her husband email him on her deathbed regarding his family situation. From the other responses it sounds like she fell down the stairs. I get there's randomness in the world, but I have a hard time believing someone of her age sustained life threatening injuries from falling down the stairs. It's possible no doubt, but now knowing the public turtledove, is there more to this?

Watch the video below. There's clearly a disagreement about Effuse being a safe and effective permanent birth control method... with Bayer doctors. Turtledove had mentioned in previous posts how they were one of the few that could effectively remove the device. They obviously provided other medical procedures for fertility, but it just seems fishy to me.

www.youtube.com/embed/X7iRaCAA_zc?rel=0

The Bayer site for Effuse says they've implanted 750,000 plus women with this thing. Basically, between doctors and Bayer, this is a BILLION dollar baby for them. What I'm getting at is it might be to risky to go after the doctor. Maybe send a warning signal without raising too many red flags. I just find it hard to believe that someone as young as she was could sustain life threatening injuries falling down the stairs. Not sure how and/or why someone could do something to cause this, just my crazy brain kicking in.

Before it gets confused, I'm blaming "dark" pharma for this and not any family member.

Gary rant over.

I assume the theory above is grasping at straws. I truly wish the family of turtledove the best considering the circumstances. Absolutely a phenomenal mind and she will be missed here at patnet. If anyone hears of a place to donate something or send something, please post it here.

WookieMan says

I just find it hard to believe that someone as young as she was could sustain life threatening injuries falling down the stairs.

yep, me too. such a fall would be so entirely disgusting that i am having trouble believing that internet user MMR was emailed about it the very next day.

What ever, She has the right to a classy send off, even if She is only Internet dead.
Show some respect.

I am a personal friend Susann's. She did indeed tragically pass away. She was a wonderful, caring, intelligent person and our world was better with her in it. I came across this site searching for possible arrangements on the internet. I decided to comment since there seemed to be some debate about her passing. I only wish it were a hoax. I will miss her laughter, our long talks and our enduring friendship. RIP Susann Sills 1971-2016

It seems likely that she was a troll, Mission accomplished time to move onto another project. The timing with respect to the election is pretty suspect.

I too was a close friend and our daughters were very close. She was a good listener and a very loyal and principled woman who touched so many people. I too came across this site while looking for arrangements. Pls do not disrespect this woman of her legacy. And if you do find service information please post. Thank you

If you are a close friend then why don't you post the service information?

Anyone have any ideas yet on what her patnet friends can do?

She was a proponent of free speech and she definitely liked Patricks site. We could all donate to Pubah Pat in her honor. Assuring patnet lives on

Or do something for her kids

06de says

principled woman

I would think that her passing upset many here.

I question anyone's values that comes to patnet
although,all the dummies,here,are entertaining.
I'm here,I HAVE NO VALUES! lol

If I had the service information I would be glad to post it. I was trying to find it on the internet because I didn't want to bother her husband. I cannot image the the enormority of his and the children's grief.

HEY YOU says

I'm here,I HAVE NO VALUES! lol

We know, Hey You, we know.

junkmail says

She was ballzy.

It is a very rare woman who can hang in a male dominated conversation like this.
I value the ones that can enormously.

Poor Turtledove. Makes me hurt all over.

She decided to be the den mother for a bunch of reprobate Boy Scouts from Hell.

Ceffer says

She decided to be the den mother for a bunch of reprobate Boy Scouts from Hell.

Damned right She did!

Robert Sproul says

It is a very rare woman who can hang in a male dominated conversation like this.

I value the ones that can enormously.

Was she the only woman here? I'm specifically referring to regulars.

anonymous says

Ellie Mae

has not commented since August, and had been suffering from medical problems for a long time, so I wonder if another memorial post might be appropriate or imminent. We had been PatNet friends, but as she fell deeper into her Stockholm Syndrome, she decided to Ignore me and probably others. I hope she is OK.

There are likely other women here, but they don't dare post as such.

Perhaps the only fair view is the average of all fringe views.

Peter P is sad says

the average of all fringe views.

Seeing more sides of the elephant can add perspective, but averaging reason with delusion does not improve accuracy or fairness. For example, Gary insists that the children who died in Sandy Hook, and their grieving parents, were all actors conspiring to take away Americans' guns. If you start with evidence of what happened, and then "average" in Gary's view, you get further from reality. If the sole priority were inclusiveness, then it might seem more "fair" to give equal time to the delusional view, but time is valuable.

curious2 says

Seeing more sides of the elephant can add perspective, but averaging reason with delusion does not improve accuracy or fairness.

It does, from a game-theory standpoint.

Any statement is an attempt to persuade. A worldview can be construct from asking why certain statements are made and by whom.

Tenpoundbass says

What ever, She has the right to a classy send off, even if She is only Internet dead.

Show some respect.

fuck you - this thread is awkward. the meetup shit was awkward.

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

if she really did die, that's surely tragic - but who the fuck would want that news blasted on patrick.net like this? weird.

Proof is in the pudding. A published obit will confirm the event. The Facebook posts seem to have the same effect but are more easily manipulated in case someone's trying to pull an S. R. Haddon.
landtof says

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

MrWonderful says

Proof is in the pudding. A published obit will confirm the event. The Facebook posts seem to have the same effect but are more easily manipulated in case someone's trying to pull an S. R. Haddon.

landtof says

seems like somebody posted too much personal information on the internet, and now wants to escape it.

The best proof is Turtledove posting something. I still hope she is injured and not deceased.

Is the claim that to escape a stalker, she and her family fabricated her demise? Sounds a bit hard to believe.

An obit will tell all.

landtof says

having trouble believing that internet user MMR was emailed about it the very next day.

It wasn't the next day, it was 3 days later and I don't know that she was on her deathbed; rather, her husband said that she had discussed the case with him and the accident must have happened within 24-72 hrs of the fall that led to her death.

The conversation with her husband might have happened months earlier as well, but last Friday day was the first time I contacted her and she replied Saturday.

I got a message Tuesday from her husband Tuesday stating that she would have wanted me to contact you(me).

Hope this clarifies any confusion. Sheesh, as if my conversation is the most important thing here

Like I said. It sounds like bullshit.

Does Orange County have an obligation to report deaths? If so, maybe we can simply inquire and confirm it officially, though I feel pretty certain it's unfortunately true.

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.

www.youtube.com/embed/XhAcIuj3o1E

first of all, this is patrick.net

but overall, one normally expects death announcements as straight-to-the-point with details on the arrangements for bereavement/support.

i'm not saying she's alive, but there's some details that don't really feel 100% authentic.

Blurtman says

Is the claim that to escape a stalker

there's so many crazy fucks out there. she was brutally careless with her sharing habits. those are facts.

Was she ever the victim of spousal abuse?
Did her husband know she bared her beasts to the world?

Tenpoundbass says

An unwitnessed accidental death would be throughly investigated. The body would be held until they felt they had obtained all evidence that it might contain.