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Rashomon says

It's interesting that you're more concerned with a few signs than the fact a sitting President is threatening the funding of a major university.

If the university producing retarded trans dykes, whatever that means, they are seriously wasting our tax dollars.

Pull the funding right away.

jvolstad says

(What the "F" is a Trans Dyke?)

I'm just guessing. But maybe it means that when Bruce Jenner became Kaitlyn Jenner, he, uh rather she, still likes women. MY feeling is that if a guy wants that, they've got too much time on their hands.

MY hat's off to you if you don't have to spend most of your time making a living like most of us. But can't you spend that extra time you have (due to your wealth and success) doing something more productive and useful than fantasizing about being a lesbian woman ? I can't help but wonder whether people such as Jenner maybe denied themselves pleasure too much in their youth or something along those lines.

Congratulations on needing to Google the meaning of rashomon. Personally, I thought it was an apt name given some of the posts people make on this site.
And CIC, Ironman, dipshit troll or whatever name you go by, isn't it time you changed your speil - it got old a very long time ago. But hey, if this is the best you can do to fill your pathetic excuse of a retirement, you have a miniscule amount of my sympathy.

T L Lipsovich says

I'm puzzled by your logic.

On one hand, you think the devolution of power from Oligrarchical Multinational Concentrated Media like Comcast, Fox, News Corp, Time-Warner, etc. is a bad thing, on the other hand you dismiss the recent outbursts of political violence as no biggie.

That's not what I was saying. I was making a general point about the changes in the way news is being accessed on multiple fronts. Newspapers were far more prevalent in the not too distant past, there was more nuanced journalism, more investigative journalism.... This is not about a few big media (primarily TV) companies, it's about an avalanche of information that has become less and less accurate, more and more superficial, and increasingly compartmentalised, drawing the same self-reinforcing viewership, who over time are seeming to become ever more entrenched in their outlooks, and ignore all evidence to the contrary no matter how overwhelming - the changing climate being one obvious example.

And we were talking about Berkeley, were we not? That wasn't exactly a huge disturbance, to me at least. Any violence is troubling, but that event is being reshaped into far more than it was in terms of attacking the university (see Trump's response) and students in general - anyone can take a couple of steps off the street into that square and get involved in causing a disturbance, and yet all I hear are people banging on about students being radicalised by professors etc., etc. From what I've read, the trouble was predominantly caused by an Oakland based anarcho group.

Ironman says

Rashomon says

isn't it time you changed your speil - it got old a very long time ago.

What, calling out assholes like you that continue with baseless spewing not backed up by FACTS....

Boo hoo... why don't you go cry to Patrick like the other pussies here.

Time for you to go off an whine and head to your Safe Space.

Blah, blah, blah, same old same old. Your trolling needs a refresh.

Blurtman says

He was banned from Twitter because Leslie Jones demanded that he be banned. Milo Tweeted her contact details, and Jones complained about the Tweets she was receiving, including racist Tweets, and so Milo was banned. (I can't believe I am using Tweet in a sentence). Milo did not encourage anyone to make racist Tweets. And now the MSM is reporting that Milo was banned for making racist Tweets directed at Jones.

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not? He's basically inciting people to abuse her - he certainly can't plead ignorance to what would happen from doing that. According to the WP 'Twitter said he was permanently banned for a violation of the company’s rules “prohibiting, participating in or inciting targeted abuse of individuals."'

Speaking of Universities, guess what reason Washington State is claiming should trump a ban based on National Security?

www.youtube.com/embed/DEK8FCBMkMQ

Rashomon says

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not?

Did he post her personal information, or just her Twitter address?

Here is what went down.

"Among Jones’ critics on Monday was Yiannopoulos — which ultimately led to the suspension of his account. Although Yiannopoulos’ tweets are not available anymore, Breitbart published a transcript of the duo’s Twitter interaction.

“If at first you don’t succeed (because your work is terrible), play the victim. EVERYONE GETS HATE MAIL FFS,” Yiannopoulos tweeted.

“Ghostbusters is doing so badly they’ve deployed @Lesdoggg to play the victim on Twitter. Very sad!” Yiannopoulos posted, followed by tweets that read: “Barely literate. America needs better schools!” and “rejected by yet another black dude.”"

http://college.usatoday.com/2016/07/25/the-whole-leslie-jones-twitter-feud-explained/

http://www.breitbart.com/milo/2016/07/18/ghostbuster-leslie-jones-reports-milo/

Rashomon says

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not?

I don't think so.

Rashomon says

He's basically inciting people to abuse her

I see no evidence of his inciting people. I know you think you know what he was thinking, and maybe you are right, but there is no proof of that in his tweets.

And Twitter can ban anyone they want. It's their business.

Blurtman says

Rashomon says

Putting up someone's contact details is a form of harassment, is it not?

I don't think so.

Rashomon says

He's basically inciting people to abuse her

I see no evidence of his inciting people. I know you think you know what he was thinking, and maybe you are right, but there is no proof of that in his tweets.

And Twitter can ban anyone they want. It's their business.

Rashomon says

I would say far too many people simply love posting hugely offensive shit anonymously

For example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Carolina_academic-athletic_scandal

Anonymous speech is necessary to any functioning democracy, especially if it's controversial or at odds with what the "good people" believe.

Otherwise "Who is a Nazi it's okay to punch/ostracize/make unemployable" is gradually defined down and somebody who says "She said Dongle, huh huh" "Fork my repo, huh uh" in a Beavis/Butthead voice gets fired based on a tweet from a snoopy bystander.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/how-dongle-jokes-got-two-people-fired-and-led-to-ddos-attacks/

Rashomon says

Sending pictures of women covered in semen is not necessary.

If you mean when you look up some hot porn star, and you get a gallery of "Tribute" assholes holding up a picture of her with their semen all over it, yeah, that should be illegal.

Rashomon says

Except plenty of people jumped on that comment, while most of us simply ignored it for the stupid comment it was.

How about everybody demands an apology while HBO dumps her show and all advertisers pull out of all her events? That's what happens when the target isn't white or male.

Rashomon says

And you seemingly don't want to acknowledge that some of them might be.

Therefore all of them are?

Can I say Breast Meat instead of White Meat, or is that still declasse and so offensive?

Do women sweat? Or is that just horses. Women GLOW. Men Perspire. Only horses sweat, my dear. Now tighten your whalebone corset, we are high standard respectable people who do not brook uncouth offensive language, my dears.

T L Lipsovich says

Anonymous speech is necessary to any functioning democracy, especially if it's controversial or at odds with what the "good people" believe.

Otherwise "Who is a Nazi it's okay to punch/ostracize/make unemployable" is gradually defined down and somebody who says "She said Dongle, huh huh" "Fork my repo, huh uh" in a Beavis/Butthead voice gets fired based on a tweet from a snoopy bystander.

Your example isn't the same as what Leslie Jones went through - it's exactly the example that I put up and what Ronson talked about. The two things aren't the same.

Rashomon says

You're example isn't the same as what Leslie Jones went through - it's exactly the example that I put up and what Ronson talked about. The two things aren't the same.

Yeah, Leslie Jones didn't get fired. These guys, one of whom had kids to feed, did. Over a stupid, muttered under breath comment unmeant to be heard by anybody but his colleague that enraged the Social Justice / Womyn in STEM Crowd.

T L Lipsovich says

Therefore all of them are?

Eh? Where did I say all of them were?
T L Lipsovich says

Yeah, Leslie Jones didn't get fired. These guys, who have kids, did. Over a stupid, muttered under breath comment unmeant to be heard by anybody but his colleague.

Which is exactly my fucking point - words have consequences - these people, just like the London women, had their lives turned upside down as a consequence of a herd mentality - in their case for doing nothing but make an innocuous joke. Jones did nothing at all and was systematically targeted for racist and misogynistic abuse. They aren't the same type of examples.

Rashomon says

Which is exactly my fucking point - words have consequences - these people, just like the London women, had their lives turned upside down as a consequence of a herd mentality - in their case for doing nothing but make an innocuous joke. Jones did nothing at all and was systematically targeted for racist and misogynistic abuse. They aren't the same type of examples.

Words are Words, deeds are deeds and words should not have consequences 99.9999% of the time. As you know, I believe that Free Speech should apply everywhere, in workplaces and especially in universities, except military secrets by active and former personnel. The idea you don't have free speech at a workplace or university is a holdover from the feudal era where you are your bosses' property or somehow represent the university. No, you are trading your labor for money. Not your conscience.

T L Lipsovich says

Words are Words, deeds are deeds and words should not have consequences 99.9999% of the time. As you know, I believe that Free Speech should apply everywhere, in workplaces and especially in universities, except military secrets by active and former personnel. The idea you don't have free speech at a workplace or university is a holdover from the feudal era where you are your bosses' property or somehow represent the university. No, you are trading your labor for money. Not your conscience.

Words matter. Words lead to deeds. Responsibility for what one says should matter. Free speech doesn't apply everywhere whether you think it should or not - do you really want ISIS to be free to recruit on campus for example? I think there are limits, but then I'm not American, so maybe we just simply hold different perspectives.

Rashomon says

Words matter. Words lead to deeds. Responsibility for what one says should matter. Free speech doesn't apply everywhere whether you think it should or not - do you really want ISIS to be free to recruit on campus for example? I think there are limits, but then I'm not American, so maybe we just simply hold different perspectives.

Explain to me how calling an actress fat and untalented leads to any deeds?

If Trump is assassinated, do Rosa Brooks, Sarah Silverman, and others who have hinted at violent coups deserve to be charged with Accessory to Murder?

By the way, you can't believe this and be a liberal, since this entire line of thinking is fundamentally anti-liberal and totalitarian. Not authoritarian because authoritarians don't try to control what you think; obedience is enough (the entire point of contrast with traditional authorities in 1984) What are you?

T L Lipsovich says

Explain to me how calling an actress fat and untalented leads to any deeds?

If Trump is assassinated, do Rosa Brooks, Sarah Silverman, and others who have hinted at violent coups deserve to be charged with Accessory to Murder?

It creates a climate, don't you think? Pretty much every movement started off with words. They have power to influence.

T L Lipsovich says

By the way, you can't believe this and be a liberal, since this entire line of thinking is fundamentally anti-liberal and totalitarian. Not authoritarian because authoritarians don't try to control what you think; obedience is enough (the entire point of contrast with traditional authorities in 1984) What are you?

I guess that depends on what you mean by liberal. There have always been limitations on free speech in Europe, and for pretty good reasons in many cases (whether or not you agree with them), and those limitations have been widely supported. This isn't the defining point of being liberally minded, certainly not in Europe at least. I believe in the right of people to express their opinions, but I don't see why that can't be done in a civil manner, though I'll happily make an exception for one or two on this forum.

Rashomon says

I guess that depends on what you mean by liberal. There have always been limitations on free speech in Europe, and for pretty good reasons in many cases (whether or not you agree with them), and those limitations have been widely supported. This isn't the defining point of being liberally minded, certainly not in Europe at least.

Historically Europe has been a lot less interested in civil liberties, also.

T L Lipsovich says

Historically Europe has been a lot less interested in civil liberties, also.

It's also given people universal healthcare, better social services etc. etc. Take your choice.

Rashomon says

It's also given people universal healthcare, better social services etc. etc. Take your choice.

And started the world's bloodiest wars. And notably anti-democratic. The EU itself is an anti-democratic institution, designed to be an extra-level of governance limiting Democracy, just in case the Communists or Hard Left won a majority in Italy or France.

Rashomon says

Rockers

In the 50s, the levels of power encouraged and tolerated open bias against White Males?

T L Lipsovich says

Words are Words, deeds are deeds and words should not have consequences 99.9999% of the time. As you know, I believe that Free Speech should apply everywhere, in workplaces and especially in universities, except military secrets by active and former personnel. The idea you don't have free speech at a workplace or university is a holdover from the feudal era where you are your bosses' property or somehow represent the university. No, you are trading your labor for money. Not your conscience.

yes, it's a holdover and a horrible loophole used to arbitrarily DENY someone something. promotion, raise, bonus, steady pay, continuous employment, grade point average, degree, whatever.

what's insidious is that the claim doesn't even have to be true for the reprimand to be executed. further, THE STAIN NEVER GOES AWAY - people carry it on their reputation for the duration of their studies/employment at that institution.

T L Lipsovich says

And started the world's bloodiest wars. And notably anti-democratic. The EU itself is an anti-democratic institution, designed to be an extra-level of governance limiting Democracy, just in case the Communists or Hard Left won a majority in Italy or France.

Times change - and the EU is in large part an attempt to maintain peace in a very unstable part of the world historically. It's easy for Americans to scoff at these institutions, but your country hasn't suffered the kind of devastation wrought by two world wars and all the conflicts that preceded that (on your actual home soil).

Rashomon says

Times change - and the EU is in large part an attempt to maintain peace in a very unstable part of the world historically. It's easy for Americans to scoff at these institutions, but your country hasn't suffered the kind of devastation wrought by two world wars and all the conflicts that preceded that.

No,it's there to trap Italy or France in the (West) European Economic system in case they voted a hard left government, giving that new government another hurdle to climb. That's literally the reason it exists and why it came about when it did. - and why it's falling apart now, after the Cold War and incorporation of Eastern Europe at different levels of development - is no accident.

T L Lipsovich says

No,it's there to trap Italy or France in the (West) European Economic system in case they vote a hard left government, giving that new government another hurdle to climb. That's literally the reason it exists and why it came about when it did. It's also why it's falling apart right now and not long before.

You know that makes no sense at all. Many of the post WWII governments in Europe have been hard left at least in terms of what the US takes as hard left - your Democrat party is more conservative than our Conservative party FFS.

Rashomon says

You know that makes no sense at all. Many of the post WWII governments in Europe have been hard left at least in terms of what the US takes as hard left - your Democrat party is more conservative than our Conservative party FFS.

The SPD is certainly not hard left, nor have most other European "Socialist" Parties. They have a stronger social safety net. But even Conservative parties in Europe don't seriously consider dismembering social programs.

Liberals in Europe are NOT identified with the left. That is very much a US concept.

T L Lipsovich says

That's a good thing. White Males were the first to postulate Slavery was a moral wrong and unilaterally sweep the slave trade from the seas and 3/4 of the planet Earth.

The first to conceptualize human rights. But not all White Men get driven in limos, have maids, or drop $2000 on coke and escorts.

Free Speech is always pilloried, until it disappears and the "Boni" or "Optimates" create a new system where criticism is banned.

Your point? White men were also the ones to profit massively from slavery for several centuries, so then having some decide that it was morally wrong demonstrates what exactly?

Rashomon says

Your point? White men were also the ones to profit massively from slavery for several centuries, so then having some decide that it was morally wrong demonstrates what exactly?

You forgot about the world's greatest Slave-traders, who not only outdid Europeans 10x over in 3x longer time period, but inspired the word from "Slav".

That as late as the US Civil War, European Philantropists were leaving money to liberate slaves.

It's why Corsicans scared them away by putting one of their heads on their flag - still used today.

They were all over East Africa and India before Henry the Navigator was born, trading slaves by the millions. They went up the Dneipr and even raided Iceland and Ireland for Slaves in the 18th Century.

They got away with it until Europeans developed the steamship their galleys couldn't outrun by pointing their prow into the wind.

Do you know who these infamous pirates, and world class slave traders since 600AD were named?

T L Lipsovich says

Liberals in Europe are NOT identified with the left. That is very much a US concept.

Again that depends on what you consider left - apparently you are referring to the hard left - liberals in the UK have historically gravitated towards Labour as it was - the liberal/SDP party was always pretty nondescript. Times have changed though and most European parties have moved to the center.

Rashomon says

Again that depends on what you consider left - apparently you are referring to the hard left - liberals in the UK have historically gravitated towards Labour as it was. Times have changed and most European parties have moved to the center.

I mean in real Europe :-)

In Denmark, Germany, France, etc. Liberals are considered wholly separate, and use the color Yellow, not a shade of Blue or Red.

T L Lipsovich says

I mean in real Europe :-)

In Denmark, Germany, France, etc. Liberals are considered wholly separate, and use the color Yellow, not a shade of Blue.

I would say that is more a product of the electoral system that they adopt in many of the countries, which gives a greater voice to the smaller groups. If they had an electoral system like the UK or US, it would be a different story.

It's amazing that when people think of slavery, they think of the ethnicity/civilization that banned it first and practiced it the shortest, not the one that practiced it the longest, over a greater range, for a longer time, and only gave it up when they faced complete technological military dominance and had no choice.

T L Lipsovich says

It's amazing that when people think of slavery, they think of the ethnicity/civilization that banned it first and practiced it the shortest, not the one that practiced it the longest, over a greater range, for a longer time, and only gave it up when they faced complete technological military dominance and had no choice.

I don't follow. England abolished slavery before the USA if that was what you were referring to.

Rashomon says

I don't follow.

Arabs and Turks. 600-1964. Millions of East Africans, Indians, Russians, Ukrainians (Slav=Slave), etc. Zanzibar alone was greater than any European-run trading fort in West Africa. They even had massive Slave rebellions in the Gulf, of which the "Zanj" is the most famous.

Arabs wrote books about White Slaves vs. Black Slaves vs. Indian Slaves and how to 'manage' them differently.

And the foreign Turkish imperialist colonialists ruled 1/3 of Europe, enslaved and emasculated children as eunuchs, raped like crazy, closed down Churches.

I will let @MMR discuss their benign, loving rule of India and Hindus and Sikhs under the Mughal Empire.

Anyway, as late as 1850, Europeans were still leaving money in their wills to buy the freedom of Algerian Slaves.

Again, the French and British with steamships ended the slave trade at the point of a gun.

In fact, the very first battle the US Navy ever fought after Independence was against a Pirate Slaver on the Barbary coast for enslaving and taking the crew of US Merchant Ships.

"To the shores of Tripoli" in the USMC Marine Hymn is about a cutting out expedition to free Americans up for ransom or slavery.

Rashomon says

Eh? Slavery is practiced in every country on the planet.

Now you're being obtuse. Show me the numbers of slaves picking lettuce without wages in California, wearing chains, where the Sheriff picks them up and whips them before sending them back to the Plantation Owner. That IS a thing in Mauretania - Land of the Moors.

Except for the occasional wise-ass MENA 'investor immigrant' bundling over their Indonesian Slave Housemaid to Long Island or Orlando, actual Slavery is unheard of.