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Ironman says

What's 7% of 65K?

What's 7% of 3 million? Do you really need to post a picture of candy for the 100th time to make a point? You waste more internet bandwidth than... You know how this ends.

YesYNot says

I'm willing to take on the risk of 65K syrian refugees...

no matter how many other people get killed, and no matter how much it costs, so long as (a) the risk to you personally appears small and (b) deficit spending enables you to push the cost (along with the fatalities) onto your kids and others'. Your ivory tower fortress is presumably not Ohio State.

Meanwhile, you don't even let Christians come here at their own expense, nor Hindus nor Buddhists, because you don't care about other people unless Saudi Arabia pays your preferred politicians to advocate on their behalf. The only reason to pay to import Muslims, while paying to deport everyone else, is to spread Islam and the mass surveillance of the whole population that Muslims end up requiring. Hillary Clinton acknowledged candidly her views on this point, and I can see millions of reasons why she would agree to believe them: the agenda serves her Saudi and MIC clients, at the expense of everyone else. If you've been paid anything less than she got, you were shortchanged.

Thank you for clarifying those points, but please don't call them "liberal."

curious2 says

Meanwhile, you don't even let Christians come here at their own expense

Did I ever ask for a ban on Christian immigration? Sometimes I wonder where you get this shit.

YesYNot says

the reason that I'm willing to take on the risk of 65K syrian refugees is that I've calculated the risk based on our Muslim immigrant data to date. The risk is really fucking small

Even the Saudis, dumb as they are, are not willing to take that risk. I understand the need to help refugees, but lets do it without taking a risk. Send them money to survive until they can go back to their country to rebuild.

YesYNot says

Did I ever ask for a ban on Christian immigration?

If you can link to any comment where you've advocated open borders for everyone, please do. Meanwhile, I've only ever seen you saying we must all pay to import Muslims as per Hillary's Plan, even as America has been deporting record numbers of Christians. I see you assail Christianity, trying unsuccessfully to make it seem as bad as Islam, but I don't see you advocating open borders for anyone other than Muslims, whom you say we must all pay to import.

Strategist says

Send them money to survive until they can go back to their country to rebuild.

No, tell them to go to Saudi Arabia. Why would you want to send money to people who believe you must be killed? Part of the problem over there is NATO and KSA financing Sunni militias, which we should stop. If you want them to kill you, maybe you should go there instead of sending them money or bringing them here.

curious2 says

Strategist says

Send them money to survive until they can go back to their country to rebuild.

No, tell them to go to Saudi Arabia. Why would you want to send money to people who believe you must be killed?

Yeah, you are right. What have the fucking Saudis with all their wealth ever done for other Muslims? They just finance terrorism.

Strategist says

What have the fucking Saudis with all their wealth ever done for other Muslims?

They generously offered to build 200 attack bases mosques in Germany:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-offers-germany-200-mosques-one-for-every-100-refugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

I can't see why it's out of the question to support Syrian Refugees in safe areas, where we can support many times more for the same amount of dollars.

What is this rush to settle them in the USA and Europe ASAP? Even though everybody knows they can't be vetted.

How many Syrian Refugees is Japan and South Korean taking? LOL

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

I can't see why it's out of the question to support Syrian Refugees in safe areas, where we can support many times more for the same amount of dollars.

It might not be a bad idea if they get Sam Harris videos 24/7 translated into their language, Charlie Hebdo cartoons for the kids, and whatever else it takes to keep out the jihadis. Otherwise UN "refugee" camp survivors have reported being abused and harassed and threatened by jihadis for being insufficiently Islamic, and Christians can't even go to those camps lest they be killed. President Assad is protecting the Christians and Shia, and secularists. If we pay for "safe areas," in addition to paying for the bombs and militias that create the need for safe areas, then we're simply paying every which way to subsidize Islam. It's a revenue model, not a winning strategy.

But your comment does at least expose the myth of "helping" people by exiling them to the other side of the planet, when it would be cheaper and better for them to shelter near their homes. Of course, it would also be better for us to end the war currently being waged by us and our allies, but that would disrupt MIC revenue and Saudi plans. The refugees were only ever pawns in a larger game to spread jihad and mass surveillance.

curious2 says

If you can link to any comment where you've advocated open borders for everyone, please do.

Find a link where I've advocated open borders for anyone. I've said that I'm ok with taking a very small amount of refugees from a country we have been fucking over for years. I'm also not ok with taking a disproportionate amount of young men. I also never specified that they should be Muslim. curious2 says

as America has been deporting record numbers of Christians.

That's something that trump has been accelerating. He's also sending them to Mexico which is not a country that we have invaded recently. TRump has mentioned sending our military down there though.

YesYNot says

I also never specified that they should be Muslim.

The Syrian "refugees" are nearly 100% Muslim. The Christians shelter with President Assad, because otherwise they get killed by Muslims on the boats or the buses or in the camps. We've had countless reports including on PatNet. Only the most wilful ignorance, on the level of not knowing sugary soda is bad for you, could explain how you could believe that Christians have anything like an equal chance of getting here via the refugee program.

curious2 says

The Syrian "refugees" are nearly 100% Muslim. The Christians shelter with President Assad, because otherwise they get killed by Muslims on the boats or the buses or in the camps.

The difference between me and you is that I actually made the decision based on the country that they were refugees in and what was going on in the country. You assumed that I made the decision based on the dominant religion of 'the refugees.' Or, maybe you know that that is not my reasoning, but you pretend that it is for some reason.

And now, the Leader of the Infidel Kingdoms of Germany and the 4th Reich, Kaiserine Merkel! - as she appears on Saudi TV. They should have pixelated the sourpuss face.

curious2 says

The Syrian "refugees" are nearly 100% Muslim. The Christians shelter with President Assad, because otherwise they get killed by Muslims on the boats or the buses or in the camps. We've had countless reports including on PatNet. Only the most wilful ignorance, on the level of not knowing sugary soda is bad for you, could explain how you could believe that Christians have anything like an equal chance of getting here via the refugee program.

Also: I can't embed it here, but this is a call into the Katie Hopkins Program from a woman whose husband worked with refugees:

Jessica added that it was the way male migrants behaved in particular, that led to his change of heart.

She told Katie: "It was a really, really traumatic time for him. He was doing three-week stints and they were picking bodies out of the sea. Babies, women, it was awful.

"But at the same time, he said they were processing men, adults, in their 30s who all had phones with Isis stuff on the phones, they were being separated.

"When they were being handed over to the authorities with the information explaining that these guys had all this on their phones, and what their ages were, and they were just being processed through.

"There was nothing, they were just being separated out, they just all went through with everything else, it broke his heart, because he was dealing with families who were in such a terrible state with young babies who so clearly needed rescuing.

"And yet you had adult males that were pushing women and children to the back of the queue...they felt that they were more important. It's just an awful situation, and this was last year.
...

"He's now turning into someone I don't recognise, because of what he has physically seen. He is starting to say this is not all people looking for help, there are people here who are out for their own self interest."

She added: "It's just awful. And now he is building a hatred of a certain demograph[ic], that he has been exposed to because he's seen the way they behave."

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/katie-hopkins/bleeding-heart-liberal-migrants-changed-husband/

There's video of the call at the link.

But muh Vetting Process!!!

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

But muh Vetting Process!!!

The way she described it, it seems like the vetting would be easy. Just pluck out the 30 yr old guys with cell phones pushing their way to the front. Put them on a boat, and drop them on an island. Take the shell shocked ones who have been missing meals and check in on their mental state. I'd imagine it would be harder than that.

YesYNot says

The way she described it, it seems like the vetting would be easy. Just pluck out the 30 yr old guys with cell phones pushing their way to the front. Put them on a boat, and drop them on an island. Take the shell shocked ones who have been missing meals and check in on their mental state. I'd imagine it would be harder than that.

But they don't, as she stated. They simply waved them on. This is not all dissimilar from other refugee Crisis elsewhere, like in Africa.

This is the "Process" problem. Sometimes the Process is not used. Defense Attorneys in Civil Suits often present their big binder stored processes written down, and lose their case, because the plaintiff can show that the process either isn't followed or was never actually followed and was just something to bring out in case of a lawsuit.

That's why I snicker when I hear about "Process".

Bavarian police are trying to establish the motive

oh FFS...

behind the murder of an Afghan woman who sought refuge in Germany and has reportedly converted to Christianity. The attacker, also an Afghan asylum seeker, stabbed the woman to death in front of her children.

What or what could be the motive, the whole world wonders.

The 38-year-old woman was attacked by the 29-year-old man not far from a supermarket in the Bavarian town of Prien am Chiemsee on Saturday. The German tabloid Bild has alleged that the woman attended a Christian church service, citing the victim’s sister.

The attack took place in front of the woman’s two children, aged five and 11. Before the assault, the man reportedly shouted something in his mother tongue to the woman.

Gee, I wonder what on Earth what he could have possibly shouted?

The man kept on stabbing his victim until a duty policeman and several passersby dragged him aside. He has been temporarily sent to a closed psychiatric institution.

The woman later died in the hospital from her injuries.

Authorities have ordered an autopsy of the victim. However, it may take up to several weeks to get the results, police spokesman Andreas Guske said, according to local news outlet Chiemgau24.

https://on.rt.com/8ajs

Amazing. Weeks to get a cause of death after she was stabbed on a street in broad daylight in front of multiple witnesses, and the assailant, bloody knife in hand, had to be restrained by multiple people including a police officer. I'd like to think it's just Germans being persnickity and bureaucratic.

Maybe the Alien was trying to claw it's way out of her body.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

But they don't, as she stated. They simply waved them on.

That's the bizarre part. Sometimes I wonder why they cannot take advantage of the chaos to sneak some moles into the camps and just weed out the obvious nut-jobs. It would be expensive, but the alternative isn't all that cheap in the long run.

YesYNot says

That's the bizarre part. Sometimes I wonder why they cannot take advantage of the chaos to sneak some moles into the camps and just weed out the obvious nut-jobs. It would be expensive, but the alternative isn't all that cheap in the long run.

NGOs financing depends on getting people processed. Young Men are easier to move forward than Families, and cost less money to move down the line.

Then they only take pictures of women and children for revenue streams. It's a business, and you'd be shocked how much even small NGO executives make - while paying the staff who does the grunt work, bupkiss.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

NGOs financing depends on getting people processed.

Yes, many are paid per "eligible" claimant, and different NGOs have different "processes," so claimants can share information about what lies to tell to get through each process. And, after ISIL/Daesh captured Syrian passport facilities and government records offices, vetting became impossible, by Hillary Clinton's own admission.

rando says

Strategist says

What have the fucking Saudis with all their wealth ever done for other Muslims?

They generously offered to build 200 attack bases mosques in Germany:

That's great isn't it? I can hardly wait to see where all the gas money i spent ended up at.

Hillary Clinton herself signed a memo saying that Saudi Arabia knowingly funds Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), and that Qatar's assistance is the worst in the region.

I guess the Legacy of Hindu and Sikh Colonialism of the Pashtu causes all this hate (LOL).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/220186

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

YesYNot says

I also find it astounding that out of 100 self-identifying American Christians, only 30 actually believe that their religion is objectively true.

That's an argument as to why Islam is dangerous and not Christianity. In most Islamic countries, even suggesting the Religion is not 100% true will get you killed.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

In most Islamic countries, even suggesting the Religion is not 100% true will get you killed.

I'll add this to my long list of reasons not to visit Islamic countries.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

That's an argument as to why Islam is dangerous and not Christianity

I 100% agree, at least in the short term. At some point, I offered it up as proof that most self-identifying American Christians weren't 'true Christians,' but that was somewhat tongue in cheek (in case anyone is reading things a little too literally). I believe that Christianity has been changed to conform to secular society, which is something I'm happy for.

Besides being a pain in the ass, though, Christianity presents two threats to Americans. In the short term, the religion influences politics, and the distrust of scientists among the religious is a big problem, although it has been tremendously diminished by the changes in the various churches. In the long term, Christianity represents a danger of making a comeback and pushing the west back into some dark ages. By long term, I mean as a response to some disaster or something. It's not something for an individual to worry about.

That's not to say that I don't think Islam presents it's own set of problems in the US.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/jesuit-scholar-seeking-to-defend-islam-at-all-costs-is-betraying-the-truth

Even the Jesuits are starting to recognize that Islam is a problem.

I miss the days where Islam was the primary topic. While Islam continues to spread terror and strife throughout the world, the events of 2020 and beyond have revealed that our own government funded the creation of a virus that was weaponized to disrupt the world, then unleashed inhuman restrictions, lockdowns and mandates, and is also goading a war in Eastern Europe. So the real enemy has been revealed.

https://rairfoundation.com/ground-breaking-germanys-legal-system-prohibits-criticism-of-islam-violators-face-jail-time-video/?source=patrick.net

In Germany it is illegal to criticize Islam.

I won't defend islam. On the other hand I don't blame Arabs completely for how radicalized many have become. Look how they have been treated by the British, Zionists, and after WW2 the US. Jews stole land. Average age in Palestine is like 14yo. It's so bad groups have become death cults with suicide bombing there.

Happy Ramadan!

PeopleUnited says

In Germany it is illegal to criticize Islam.

This could be a sign of west's weakness or decline. Whereas China is able to "reeducate" Muslims and feeding pork stuff like that and send batches to slaughterhouse on regular basis who follow Islam and disconnect from the world. China is winning and doing a good job to make the world good place on that front.

“By declaring our Prophet infallible and not permitting ourselves to question him, we Muslims have set up a static tyranny. The Prophet Muhammad attempted to legislate every aspect of life. By adhering to his rules of what is permitted and what is forbidden, we Muslims suppressed the freedom to think for ourselves and to act as we chose. We froze the moral outlook of billions of people into the mind-set of the Arab desert in the seventh century". - Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Book titled Infidel

British Muslims must dismantle democracy. Muslims must live like a state within a state until they are strong enough to take over. - Video of Imam of Green Lane Mosque, UK

In Islam, there is no difference between the state and the religion. The religion is the state, the state is the religion. They hate. They hate our way of life. They hate our freedom. They hate our democracy. They hate the practice of every religion but their own. They don't just disagree. They hate. Not just Judaism. Not just Christianity. In various parts of the world today, Islamists are also waging terror war against Hindus, Buddhists, and all other "infidels." The imposition of Islam upon the entire world is not merely their goal. It is their religious duty. They are following the word of their holy book, the Koran, which is the guide to hatred of infidels, waging war, and victory through slaughter. - Brigitte Gabriel, Because They Hate: A Survivor of Islamic Terror Warns America

DOCTRINE OF ARMED JIHAD AS PER ISLAM

Muhammad told Muslims that world is in 3 parts. Muslims behaviour must be different in each of those three parts (Jihad e Asghar).

1st PART OF JIHAD: WHEN MUSLIMS ARE IN MINORITY AND MAJORITY IS UNITED (Dar al Aman): In this part Islam guides Muslims to be friends of Kafirs (non-Muslims) on face and within one must see them as enemy. Be united, increase population anyhow.

2nd PART OF JIHAD: WHEN MUSLIMS ARE IN MINORITY AND MAJORITY IS NOT UNITED (Dar al Harb): Here Islam says that kill whomsoever raise voice against you, Be united, increase population and keep on demanding for Sharia laws one after another. “This is where one will find moderate good Muslims and extreme Radical Jihadi Muslims mix. Means radical Jihadi Muslims hide within the cover of moderate good Muslims in a way grasshopper hides within grass for prey”. Here Moderate good Muslims (Movie stars or influential celebrities, authors, writers, painters, musicians etc) give cover to Radical Jihadi Muslims to keep the majority confused. Eg. In France a Painter was killed for painting 7 years old child bride of Prophet Muhammed with 53 years old Prophet Muhammed (Kill whomsoever raise voice against you) but when in India a famous Padma Bhushan award winner Muslim painter M.F. Hussain painted nude goddess on the lap of Jesus, nothing happened to him rather good moderate Muslims supported his actions with silence as usual. No good moderate Muslim ever condemn when tens of thousands of Yazidi females were taken as sex slaves and raped from morning to night by different radical Muslim Jihadis everyday only to be sold as cheap as $10 – $500 per girl in Muslim markets later. Muslims shout for Gaza everyday but pin drop silence on Yazidi females brutalised as sex slaves. Whenever and wherever Radical Jihadi Muslims do crime against non Muslims then no good moderate Muslim condemn it till the time it is super emergency to defend Islam. Islam permits Muslims to lie “Lie to defend or strengthen Islam”. Rather they support the act by silence or confuse the majority with one or two examples of good moderate Muslims. They generally say that “All Muslims are not bad and just due to handful of Radicals whole Islam can’t be blamed”.

3rd PART OF JIHAD: WHEN MUSLIMS BECOME MAJORITY (Dar al Islam): Kill non Muslim (Kafirs) or convert them. Take whatever they possess. Take Kafir women as sex slaves. Force them till they agree to accept Islam. It is halal (pious deed) and whomsoever will call it haram (sinful activity) is a sinner and must be slain. Forceful sex with sex slaves is not considered as rape as per Islam. “Sex with woman that your right hand possess is halal (pious)”. Non Muslim Kafir Sex slaves that are captured during Jihad comes under the heading “women that your right hand possess” as per Islam. Children born from sex slaves are newborn Jihadi Muslims who are given Radical Jihad training since childhood. This is where one will find only extreme Radical Jihadi Muslims and all the so called good moderate Muslims suddenly vanish into nowhere. Recent example of this is seen in Iraq where nearly all the young non muslim girls and women were taken as slaves by Radical Jihadis. Even 8- 10 years old kid girls were taken as sex slaves and got gang raped everyday from morning to night. Whole Yazidi religion civilization is destroyed to the extent it could be destroyed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJe6RVY0jg&source=patrick.net

Syria war, all Muslims let's go to Europe.

Ukraine war, no one wants to go to any Muslim countries. They are extreme intolerant

DooDahMan says

PeopleUnited says

I would be interested in arguments for the merits of Islam and/or why any non-Moslem would consider it a good thing if more Moslems lived in their town or neighborhood.

Hasn't this discussion been going on for millennia in every country/territory/etc. concerning any subset of the human species that does not fit the status quo ?

Isn’t that a non answer to the question? Do you consider Moslem in your town or neighborhood a good thing?