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2017 Feb 28, 12:21pm   4,399 views  51 comments

by marcus   ➕follow (7)   ignore (11)  

Of three most recent comments of mine in comment jail, the one that was bad was edited and reposted in the same thread. The other 2, the 2 most recent are not ad hominem, or at least not enough that they should be in comment jail.

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1   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 12:59pm  

Is this how it's supposed to work ?

Quigley says

And now, I've marked all Marcus posts ad hominem. It appears there is no judge of these things so he will have to deal with it.

Evidently that was retaliation for this being marked ad hominem

It's really quite amazing how he can serve up such inane prattle in service of stupid and viciously ignorant ideas and yet lack the cognitive capacity of a rutabaga.

Edit: not ad hominem as I mentioned NO NAMES! Yet Marcus felt it was ad hominem. Interesting!

I know to any intelligent person that sentence sounds like he had to be referring to Trump. But Quigley loves Trump and it immediately followed a comment of mine, and in context doesn't make any sense unless he's referring to me.

I guess you have to decide Patrick whether you want to allow that kind of childish attempt to work around your ad hominem definition. You're going to want to find a way to be consistent here, and not let your opinion of the members enter your decision.

2   anonymous   2017 Feb 28, 1:10pm  

Just don't say anything critical of Trump, no matter how factual, and you should be alright

3   fdhfoiehfeoi   2017 Feb 28, 1:14pm  

If I truly dealt someone a low blow, I'd be fine with jail. It's the one's that are on the fence that bug me. And yes, I feel fully justified in abusing the system if I feel someone else has done the same.

6   Patrick   2017 Feb 28, 2:48pm  

I liberated a few of your comments from comment jail because they were not actually attacking another user's character or motives.

Anything you still disagree with?

7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Feb 28, 3:10pm  

Ahaha hahahaha!!!!

8   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 3:10pm  

It looks like the number only decreased by one.

I don't think this is. CBOE responded that I should look in the mirror. I don't think his should either.

CBOEtrader says

CNN doesnt do this. That's why they are fake news.
I would think if this were true, you would be able to find a non Trump supporting person to agree with you ? Is it possible that what you're experiencing has more to do with your own bias ?

9   Patrick   2017 Feb 28, 3:12pm  

Which comment in comment jail does not look like a personal attack to you?

10   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 3:14pm  

I did above. Also, with 2 comments now in jail it says 111/114 civil.

??

11   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 3:16pm  

Also, with the one bad one, I did edit it and repost, on my own. So you will find the edited version in the thread that it's from.

12   Patrick   2017 Feb 28, 3:17pm  

There are still three comments from you in comment jail that seem like attacks on the person rathe than attacks on their point.

13   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 3:23pm  

I see twenty comments in there (maybe there's more if I can't see some that are ignored by me.

I only see two comments of mine in there. My opinion that at most one is worthy of being there is beside the point.

14   Strategist   2017 Feb 28, 5:59pm  

marcus says

Of three most recent comments of mine in comment jail, the one that was bad was edited and reposted in the same thread. The other 2, the 2 most recent are not ad hominem, or at least not enough that they should be in comment jail.

Stop complaining Marcus. No-one cares.

15   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 7:08pm  

Strategist says

Stop complaining Marcus. No-one cares.

Amazing that you and Ironman have nothing better to do than care about this in a thread that's about me communicating with Patrick.

16   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 7:10pm  

Note to Quigley: please don't waste my time or especially Patrick's time by having a hissy fit becasue you are busted for posting an ad hominem comment.

17   Strategist   2017 Feb 28, 7:49pm  

marcus says

Strategist says

Stop complaining Marcus. No-one cares.

Amazing that you and Ironman have nothing better to do than care about this in a thread that's about me communicating with Patrick.

You communicated in a public forum.
I'm just telling you the truth. No one cares if a comment went to jail. What's the bid deal?

18   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 8:52pm  

Ironman says

You were having a PRIVATE conversation with Patrick in this thread?

I didn't say that it's private, but, I was pretty much talking to Patrick about things that shouldn't interest you.

19   PeopleUnited   2017 Feb 28, 9:28pm  

Marcus said: "Why would people be better off to have arrogant right wingers in their neighborhood ? Or Italians ? Or Catholics, OR Jews, Or WASPS ? If you're asking the question, then there's something intrinsic to America that you don't get."

This is ad hominem. He is claiming that asking a question implies either ignorance or daftness. It is not an attack on an idea, it is an attack on the person who asked a legitimate question.

If it is not ad hominem then Marcus ought to be able to defend it by proving that Islam is either intrinsic to American ideals or that America somehow is not complete without Islam. This ought to be good. Please enlighten us with how you "get it" Marcus.

20   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 9:31pm  

PeopleUnited says

He is claiming that asking a question implies either ignorance or daftness.

No, I'm claiming that an honest person wouldn't see much difference between your question and mine. IT goes without saying that this is my opinion. The idea that you think it's an attack on you makes no sense.

Stop asking me to defend Islam. I'm not going to defend obesity or ignorance or Rin or Atheists or Christians or racists or activists or Trump lovers or gun lovers or anyone else. This is America, and all those people are welcome here.

21   Strategist   2017 Feb 28, 9:44pm  

marcus says

Stop asking me to defend Islam. I'm not going to defend obesity or ignorance or Rin or Atheists or Christians or racists or activists or Trump lovers or gun lovers or anyone else. This is America, and all those people are welcome here.

They are not welcome. People who hate us are never welcome.

22   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 9:50pm  

Strategist says

People who hate us are never welcome.

THen vet the immigrants to not be ones who hate us. IF they want to live here for an indefinite period of time and multiple generations, they probably don't hate us.

23   PeopleUnited   2017 Feb 28, 9:54pm  

marcus says

PeopleUnited says

He is claiming that asking a question implies either ignorance or daftness.

No, I'm claiming that an honest person wouldn't see much difference between your question and mine. IT goes without saying that this is my opinion. The idea that you think it's an attack on you makes no sense.

Stop asking me to defend Islam. I'm not going to defend obesity or ignorance or Rin or Atheists or Christians or racists or activists or Trump lovers or gun lovers or anyone else. This is America, and all those people are welcome here.

Which is again ad hominem because there is a huge difference between the religion that gave the world the radical Islamic terrorist movement and obesity. But since you have made the analogy it is clear to me that you are disparaging both obesity and Islam which is interesting. It is clear that you hold both as a net negative with this analogy. But I wonder why you would equate obesity with Islam?

And thanks for your virtue signaling of your opinion that "all are welcome here". While I agree that every American citizen has the right to speak, believe and live the life they choose as long as it allows others to do likewise, I wholeheartedly disagree that America ought to allow those who would seek to undermine our liberty into this country. There is a world of difference between defending the rights of actual Americans to live as they choose and welcoming non-Americans to our country.

24   PeopleUnited   2017 Feb 28, 10:04pm  

Marcus said: "THen vet the immigrants to not be ones who hate us. IF they want to live here for an indefinite period of time and multiple generations, they probably don't hate us."

It is probably not news to you that some have suggested that people of a certain religious persuasion are specifically the kind of people we ought to think twice about.

As far as hating America goes, the growing list of immigrants who have carried out terorist attacks is enough evidence to question your supposition that the desire to live here precludes the possibility of harboring hate of our people or liberty or religion or way of life.

25   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 10:14pm  

PeopleUnited says

but wholeheartedly disagree that America ought to allow those who would seek to undermine our liberty into this country.

Straw man. I never said this. MY problem is with those who want to generalize that all Muslims should be treated as if they "would seek to undermine our liberty into this country." That's the part that's unamerican. People used to try to make up similar lies about pretty much every group that has immigrated here.

PeopleUnited says

And thanks for your virtue signaling of your opinion that all are welcome here.

I'm not virtue signaling. I'm not even talking about myself. I'm talking about what I believe America is. What still makes America great ! You're the one that's virte signalling, but it's not to a group that I respect, but "Believe me" your beliefs are considered virtues in those groups.

26   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 10:19pm  

PeopleUnited says

Which is again ad hominem because there is a huge difference between the religion that gave the world the radical Islamic terrorist movement and obesity.

You clearly don't know what ad hominem means. And I included Christians gun lovers and other in my list. Why do you single out the obese ? I was just selecting random groups, but should have selected some you think I would love. Obese was just a random physical trait, I thought bald or tall, or short wouldn't work as well. The truth is that they say people are prejudiced against overweight people, so it kind of works relative to my point. Which you totally do not understand.

Are you by chance Fort Wayne ?

27   PeopleUnited   2017 Feb 28, 10:39pm  

Well Marcus I don't believe you randomly selected any of the groups you disparagingly compared to Muslims.

And yes, I know what ad hominem is. For example, you now recently implied it is dishonest to believe that there is a difference between asking if Islam is a net positive or net negative in America and asking if obesity is a net negative or positive. It is both a red herring and ad hominem at once. That takes skill man!

28   marcus   2017 Feb 28, 11:53pm  

Christians, Jews, red heads, Irish, Women, boomers, Millennials, what's the difference ? I'm not going to defend why any group should not be judged or ostracized with stupid generalizations.

You really don't get it do you.

29   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 1, 12:36am  

Oh I get it Marcus, you got caught disparaging obesity in comparison to Islam and you are trying to rewrite the record. Why don't you like overweight people, or better yet why don't you like Islam?

30   CBOEtrader   2017 Mar 4, 11:49am  

Patrick, can you explain wth comment jail and ad hominem works? I just randomly selected ad hom on 4 different posts in retaliation for one of mine being clicked... this process seems legit LOL. Is there a rational review or anything?

31   Patrick   2017 Mar 4, 12:57pm  

@CBOEtrader the definition of ad hominem for this forum is just that the comment is attacking another user of the forum personally (eg "You are a goat fucker") instead of or in addition to attacking the user's point.

Comments marked ad-hom go into comment jail: https://patrick.net/adhom_jail.php

I get notified, and if it is a personal attack, I just leave it there. If not, I can "liberate" the comment so it appears back in its original thread.

If someone abuses the ability to mark comments ad-hom, I can remove that ability from them.

A user can edit his own comment in jail to remove the personal part, and I'll get notified and review the comment again.

If you disagree that some comment should be in jail, just let me know. I try hard to be fair.

32   Dan8267   2017 Mar 4, 1:18pm  

CBOEtrader is just upset because he didn't get his way. He's still at the poo flinging level of the pyramid argument.

33   Patrick   2017 Mar 4, 1:31pm  

I added "thunderdome" to the title of this post to make it easier to talk about insults without worrying if the talking itself is ad-hom or not.

34   Shaman   2017 Mar 4, 2:35pm  

marcus says

Note to Quigley: please don't waste my time or especially Patrick's time by having a hissy fit becasue you are busted for posting an ad hominem comment.

I'm still waiting for my comment to be liberated from ad hominem jail. It didn't violate the rules and names nobody in particular. If you insist on abusing the system, prepare to be abused in return!

35   Patrick   2017 Mar 4, 2:50pm  

Wait, @Quigley you mean this comment of yours?

It's really quite amazing how he can serve up such inane prattle in service of stupid and viciously ignorant ideas and yet lack the cognitive capacity of a rutabaga.

That is totally ad-hom, isn't it?

36   Dan8267   2017 Mar 4, 2:53pm  

Quigley says

you insist on abusing the system, prepare to be abused in return!

Yeah, nothing gay about that.

37   Shaman   2017 Mar 4, 5:13pm  

I looked up the definition.
1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"
2.
relating to or associated with a particular person.
"the office was created ad hominem for Fenton"

My comment meets the criteria of 1. But not 2.
So I think maybe halfsies? LOL

38   Patrick   2017 Mar 4, 5:14pm  

If you edit it to remove the insult part I promise to release it!

39   CBOEtrader   2017 Mar 5, 1:31am  

I'm having problems following threads though. When 5 to 15 comments in a thread aren't visable, yet others are quoting them... This new format is increasing abrasive behavior and decreasing the value of the discussion, imho.

Ex: i just went into a thread w 9 comments, I could only see 1. The censorship lowers the value of a conversation.

40   Patrick   2017 Mar 5, 2:06am  

Woah, which thread is that? Maybe you have a lot of people ignored, because the most comments in jail from any post is 5:

mysql> select comment_post_ID, count(*) as c from adhom_comments, comments
where adhom_comments.comment_ID=comments.comment_ID
group by comment_post_ID order by c desc;
+-----------------+---+
| comment_post_ID | c |
+-----------------+---+
|         1303438 | 5 |
|         1294075 | 3 |
|         1303282 | 3 |
|         1303489 | 2 |
|         1303505 | 2 |
|         1303246 | 2 |
|         1303356 | 2 |
|         1303370 | 2 |
|         1300316 | 2 |
|         1300748 | 1 |
|         1303098 | 1 |
|         1303100 | 1 |
|         1303568 | 1 |
|         1303192 | 1 |
|         1303571 | 1 |
|         1302109 | 1 |
|         1303331 | 1 |
|         1302808 | 1 |
|         1303316 | 1 |
|         1303414 | 1 |
|         1303450 | 1 |
|         1303456 | 1 |
|         1303483 | 1 |
+-----------------+---+

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