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Trump admin says: Syria and Russia did it. Sukhoi jets dropped the munitions.

Atleast wiki has some reference in there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_influence_on_Islamic_science

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

Rew says

Trump admin says: Syria and Russia did it. Sukhoi jets dropped the munitions.

Why would Russia use chemical weapons? Makes no sense.

Rew says

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

How is copying something and showing that as your own Improving. That is called stealing.

i guess you are ok with China taking IP from US companies and saying we are just improving.

indc says

Rew says

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

How is copying something and showing that as your own Improving. That is called stealing.

i guess you are ok with China taking IP from US companies and saying we are just improving.

Indians are a lot smarter than Arabs. How many Arabs do you see in tech companies and work that requires brains?

Did Shakespeare write original works or merely steal the alphabet and re-arrange the letters a bunch? The point is the degree to which you change something can make it your own. Whole fields of law devoted to this. Sure, India. But India didn't spread these ideas to the west and Arabss did more than 'steal'. Arabic culture, to date, has typically been far more influential on the West.

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

Rew says

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

OK. Here are your Arab engineers:

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Stupid is as marrying your family members for 1200 years does.

Quigley says

Several dead? How did you miss the half million or so dead in the overall conflict?

There's a lot of work cleaning up Obama and Hillary's mess in Syria.

A bigger mess: Bringing back to life ~4500 servicemen the SLIME FUCKING TRASH Republicans killed in IRAQ.
FUCK YOU LYING SOCIALIST REPUBLICANS!

Rew says

Did Shakespeare write original works or merely steal the alphabet and re-arrange the letters a bunch? The point is the degree to which you change something can make it your own. Whole fields of law devoted to this. Sure, India. But India didn't spread these ideas to the west and Arabss did more than 'steal'. Arabic culture, to date, has typically been far more influential on the West.

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

Are you trying to say that Indian system is archiac and arabic system is advanced. What else do you think. White man came to India to give them civilization.
Do you have proof that whatever muslim guy did was much advanced than indian system. Dont try to bullshit us. Yes europe got knowledge from arabs because much of the knowledge was in the east and arabs were just conduits for knowledge transfer.
The best comparison I can give is if Indian system is alphabets, the best the muslim guy did was put it in order that you read now.
Did you ever ask your muslim friends why was all the great discoveries happened in the initial phase of Islam and not in middle or later phases?
Let me tell you why, in the initial phase Islam was not strong it was just growing. It did not have much control on its population. People still had freedom of thought . But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

indc says

Did you ever ask your muslim friends why was all the great discoveries happened in the initial phase of Islam and not in middle or later phases?

Let me tell you why, in the initial phase Islam was not strong it was just growing. It did not have much control on its population. People still had freedom of thought . But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Loved it. Thanks.

Strategist says

Indians are a lot smarter than Arabs. How many Arabs do you see in tech companies and work that requires brains?

Europeans in the age of enlightenment were much smarter than Europeans in the dark ages. Does this disprove the theory of evolution or prove that European genes were replaced by aliens? No. It just means that society is fragile, and groups of people slip into periods of darkness where resources are held back and smart people don't have opportunity. Then, there are periods where society is working well, and there is plenty of opportunity, so intelligent people can share ideas and discover/invent new things.

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

YesYNot says

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

It just means when a society is held back by religion and stupid beliefs, it will breed more idiots.

YesYNot says

Europeans in the age of enlightenment were much smarter than Europeans in the dark ages.

The were freer of religious constraints. The Catholic Church had lost the power to suppress scientific and intellectual advance by the time of the Enlightenment. Or you could say that the Enlightenment itself was the revolt against religious power:

The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

Islam is far more violent and anti-intellectual than the Catholic Church was at its very worst.

You could even say that Islamic terrorism is a reaction to the Enlightenment. It took a very long time for Enlightenment ideas to finally reach Islamic countries, but with the mixing of people and the rise of the internet, now Muslims are being exposed to anti-Islamic ideas like democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion.

Islam is definitely being threatened by the overwhelming worldwide evidence that every single prosperous peaceful scientifically advanced society is non-Islamic.

rando says

The Catholic Church had lost the power to suppress scientific and intellectual advance by the time of the Enlightenment.

Christianity does not have science in a bottle, but it sure does hold back/slow the transmission of understanding from the scientific community to the general population.

rando says

Islam is far more violent and anti-intellectual than the Catholic Church was at its very worst.

I'll leave the scoring to the historians. My point was that you cannot look at a snapshot of a society at a specific point in time and draw conclusions about the intelligence of the people there or the inherent value of the dominant religion. Personally, I don't care for any religion, so I'm not going to directly defend Islam. But I will point out that there are many reasons for a society to fail or succeed. I've read that societies that are too rich in a single controllable resource (like oil) tend to become controlled by assholes and society suffers. It's hard to determine cause and effect though, as there are many variables to account for including the correlation of religion with oil resources. On the other hand, we are/were pretty resource rich and that was an advantage over places that are flat out resource poor. So, there are many variables that help determine the fate of societies beyond the intelligence of the population.

What we can agree on is that today Islam is being used to get people to behave terribly.
Some of our differences may explain our different views regarding taking in a small amount of refugees.

Strategist says

OK. Here are your Arab engineers:

Those don't look like any engineers I know. Those look like tribal leaders and warriors to me.

Just what was 'stupid' about that video exactly?

Hey racist REW, when are you going to answer me.

YesYNot says

What we can agree on is that today Islam is being used to get people to behave terribly.

OK, yes, we agree on that.

But I'd go further, not only is Saudi Arabia using Islam to launch terrorists around the world, but the terrorists like to do it because Islam tells them to.

indc says

But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Typically, all religions do that, and that's gross oversimplification for the decline of the Islamic golden age. Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

How far back do you want to trace algebra's development? India doesn't seem to be able to claim initial origination of algebra either.

PCGyver says

I'd like to know what religion this doesn't apply to?

None come to mind.

Rew says

indc says

But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Typically, all religions do that, and that's gross oversimplification for the decline of the Islamic golden age. Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

How far back do you want to trace algebra's development? India doesn't seem to be able to claim initial origination of algebra either.

PCGyver says

I'd like to know what religion this doesn't apply to?

None come to mind.

How many religions do you know. Learn world history. Eastern religions don't do that. They question what is wrong with older religion and propose a change live with it. They dont go about killing everyone from old religion. Christianity found this approach is wrong and is trying to correct itself. We don't see that in Islam. This Wahhabi mentality is going to consume us all.
Rew you still did not answer my question do you think Indian system is archiac and islamic system is advanced. If you dont want to answer it just say I will learn about them.

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Rew says

Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

You only have to look back at the last 30 years of history. Countries like Afghanistan, Iran and Egypt were much more modern, secular, tolerant and successful before the Khomeni revolution in 1970's and the rise of Saudi Wahabbi money and influence in the Sunni countries.

My next door neighbor fled Iran in 1979 and is appalled at how his country has gone backwards in that time.

www.youtube.com/embed/jxo-cjJY0uc

indc says

How many religions do you know. Learn world history. Eastern religions don't do that.

Don't do what? Push their own ideologies at the expense of science and reason? Or are you really claiming no other Eastern religions have any violence or extremism in them, ever?

Are you backing your claim that Islamic culture, from it's golden age, receded primarily because of Islamic practice itself?

indc says

Rew you still did not answer my question do you think Indian system is archiac and islamic system is advanced.

Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi adopted the Indian numeric system, and yes, wrote his own original mathematics texts using it. He is the first one to harmonize Greek and Indian math together, and then essentially, make a clear split and definition for Algebra itself. It's not an accident we call the numbering system today Arabic numerals, despite how you may feel about the ability to lay claim to them.

Credit where credit is due. Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi didn't simply copy things. He originated and developed much of modern algebra himself.

socal2 says

You only have to look back at the last 30 years of history.

That's not the collapse of the golden age of Islam. That's the modern rise of Islamic extremism. That didn't just magically spring forth from Islam itself.

Rew says

That's not the collapse of the golden age of Islam. That's the modern rise of Islamic extremism. That didn't just magically spring forth from Islam itself.

But it is contemporary proof that Islam (unlike any other contemporary religion) can drag entire civilizations down (both Sunni and Shia).

Every other corner of the globe has advanced in that time while the majority of the Muslim/Arab world has declined.

rando says

like to do it because Islam tells them to.

People tell them that is what Islam says to do. They can read the Koran all they like, but there are multiple reasonable interpretations of any holy book, which is why you have various branches of religion with different interpretations of the bible. There is a difference. Also, Religions are defined by the people who practice them more so than the holy book that they use. Otherwise, all branches of Christianity would be the same.

socal2 says

My next door neighbor fled Iran in 1979 and is appalled at how his country has gone backwards in that time.

I've met a number of successful Iranians who came to the US around that time. Usually, it's the more motivated ones that get out. In this case, it was a matter of motivation and means.

YesYNot says

I've met a number of successful Iranians who came to the US around that time. Usually, it's the more motivated ones that get out. In this case, it was a matter of motivation and means.

My neighbor is Baha'i.

Needless to say, he was very "motivated" (like most non-Muslim religious minorities) to get out once the Islamist nut-balls took power.

Rew says

Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi adopted the Indian numeric system, and yes, wrote his own original mathematics texts using it. He is the first one to harmonize Greek and Indian math together, and then essentially, make a clear split and definition for Algebra itself. It's not an accident we call the numbering system today Arabic numerals, despite how you may feel about the ability to lay claim to them.

The Babylonians invented algebra. Everyone else just advanced it.

Strategist says

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That video looks like something dangerous that a young stupid American male would do to impress chicks. In other words, Saudia Arabia is too gynocentric, and gynocentrism is the underlying cause of wanting to fight wars and be manly. Both in the middle east and in the US.

YesYNot says

there are multiple reasonable interpretations of any

You write like someone who has read neither the complete Bible (Old Testament and New Testament) nor the Koran. In short, you judge a book by its cover, when you should know more about the contents.

The Bible has multiple authors and some of it reads like a transcript of an argument among some of the most argumentative people in the history of the world. The OT commands the conquest of the "promised land," approximately modern Israel, but says to leave alone the neighboring nations, and even to extend the equal protection of the laws to the strangers who live among you. Leviticus reads a bit like Amish country, setting out a dress code and rules for those who wear the uniform; you can see the Hasidim with their beards and black clothing, they look almost Amish, deliberately separate, and they don't try to convert or kill disbelievers. Very significantly, both Amish and Hasidim allow apostasy: when you get to be an adult, you can say this is not the path for you, change out of the uniform into civilian clothes, and go your own way; no one will kill you for that. Christianity renounces violence. Some people have indeed used Christianity as an excuse for violence, as least as far back as Constantine, but it doesn't actually say that, so the center of gravity is not there.

The Koran purports to be the writings of exactly one commander in chief, the charlatan Mohamed. He was allowed to change his mind as he went along, so it is to be interpreted chronologically. The chronology (the life of Mohamed) is the decoder ring that many or most Muslims know about and you don't. Where you see different verses saying different things, they see a clear sequence, described also in the process of Islamization. Where the Muslim population is small, they emphasize tolerance; as they grow larger, they tend to grow bolder, because they are commanded to impose Sharia where they can. In most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. Islam says to impose Sharia upon believers and disbelievers alike, and Sharia says to kill apostates and blasphemers. That is the center of gravity of Islam: it tends towards Sharia.

If you don't have time to read the Bible and Koran, then please at least read Churchill on Islam. He traveled very extensively, and his writings cannot be blamed on the most recent 30 or 40 years of rising Saudi influence; to the contrary, he predicted the Saudi threat, a century ago. Islam originated as a religion of highway robbers and pirates plundering prosperous coastal cities and trade caravans, capturing and enslaving and ransoming. The Barbary Pirates' behavior was thoroughly described, and thoroughly Islamic. Claiming you can invite some number into your civilization is like saying you can invite some number of pirates onto your ship. Islam reduces whole civilizations as Churchill described. Disbelievers are highly motivated to get out of wherever Islam has taken over, while believers look around for somewhere more prosperous they can conquer. Please know the difference. We have both met people who were highly "motivated" to get out of Iran, but you don't seem to understand the motivation, because you would import the very pirates they were trying to get away from.

Rew says

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

How do you know if the Arab engineers are actually Muslim? Hint: you can't simply ask them, especially if they might be overheard by Muslims, because Islam commands the death penalty for apostasy. Additional hint: engineers are not a representative sample of any population, least of all the Muslim population of the Arabian peninsula, where the most popular university major is Islamic studies. They may have chosen engineering specifically so they could escape from the Islamic domination of the Arabian peninsula. You might be on here defending the very hateful fraud that those engineers got away from, and advocating that Sharia enforcers should be allowed to pursue them everywhere, and you might be imagining they would thank you for that.

I really feel sorry for liberals like Rew. They are islamic apologists who think islam is this great religion which teaches peace. i understand you don't like your own culture because of its history but islam also has same faults and you are ok with it.
Liberals are thick headed people. I have shown that the present number system is of Indian origin which is accepted by mathematics all over the world. But s/he still says that it is arabic system because that is what s/he read in their textbooks. I tried to explain how eastern religions spread without hatred but they cannot accept that it is true. There was never religious persecution against science and technology in eastern religions and Rew is not ready to accept it.
If you can't accept a new concept then there is no difference between you and a religious-muslim.

PCGyver says

Furthermore should I assume all white people are dumb and believe the same as the guy in the flat earth vid?

In the case of Arabs,they really are dumb.

Anyone who believes in Islam has got to be dumb as hell.

YesYNot says

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

here we can answer the arabs vs indians question right now:

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

23 Iran Iran 84
23 Jordan Jordan 84
23 Marshall Islands Marshall Islands 84
23 Micronesia Micronesia 84
23 Morocco Morocco 84
23 Nigeria Nigeria 84
23 Pakistan Pakistan 84
23 Panama Panama 84
23 Paraguay Paraguay 84
23 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia 84
23 Solomon Islands Solomon Islands 84
23 Uganda Uganda 84
23 United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 84
23 Vanuatu Vanuatu 84
23 Venezuela Venezuela 84
24 Algeria Algeria 83
24 Bahrain Bahrain 83
24 Libya Libya 83
24 Oman Oman 83
24 Papua New Guinea Papua New Guinea 83
24 Syria Syria 83
24 Tunisia Tunisia 83
25 Bangladesh Bangladesh 82
25 Dominican Republic Dominican Republic 82

25 India India 82

Rew says

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily

Thats why they are working so hard - they want to take it from you!

Or have you noticed whats been happening since Mohammed?

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

YesYNot says

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

here we can answer the arabs vs indians question right now:

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

23 Iran Iran 84

25 India India 82

Hey REBTS, low iq people like you should not comment on others IQ. See I called you stupid now let me explain why.
1) You are trying to compare present day IQ with first millenium IQ for which you dont have any data point.
2) You are trying to use average IQ to understand advancements in knowledge. You dont need 100 millions Einsteins. You need only 1.
3) The difference between arabic and indian population's IQ is just '2' which can easily be sampling error.
4) You can use average IQ to gauge GDP or some such number not how intelligent few people can be.
5) Again you can't phantom the population size(1.2bil) can produce atleast 2 times more intelligent people than US(350mil).
6) China which has more average IQ than India now is coveting Indian engineers to work in its tech sector.

Rew says

Likely this will be the fourth chemical attack committed by Syrian forces.

How many by ISIS and the like?