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Nobody wants WWIII, Rew. You're over here talking like Shylock grasping for his pound of flesh over a murky incident that has no direct connection to the Syrian government. Go peddle your war hawk propaganda to someone who cares. You're sounding exactly like your idol, John McCain.

Quigley says

over a murky incident that has no direct connection to the Syrian government.

When the murk clears, are we going to send a signal that the use of these types of weapons is off limits? If not: Obama's red line is embraced by Trump.

Ironman says

Two Fucking Months!!!

LOL. I'm not expecting he solves it in a day (or really ever to be honest). I'm just postulating I don't think his reaction is going to be ANY different than Obama. If anything Trump is the King of tough talk and bluster.

Put up or shut-up.

Quigley says

Nobody wants WWIII, Rew. You're over here talking like Shylock grasping for his pound of flesh over a murky incident that has no direct connection to the Syrian government. Go peddle your war hawk propaganda to someone who cares. You're sounding exactly like your idol, John McCain.

This.

Rew says

Whichever side used this today, we should go take our pound of flesh in return.

Rew, if you've been lending money to militias or any side in the Syrian war, you might have done something illegal and should seek legal advice promptly. Otherwise I don't see how anyone in Syria could possibly owe you "a pound of flesh," and I certainly don't agree with your assertion that "we" have some obligation to go there and take it for you. Your Sunni Muslim "friends" in KSA and Turkey have been financing Sunni militias in Syria, and America has reportedly been giving them weapons, but I haven't read about any loans. What kind of person lends money to suicide jihadis anyway? It sounds as daft as getting involved in yet another land war in Asia.

Rew, you seem to love war and Islam. You say you want to get involved, so find a legal way of going there. Don't bother with the parts of Syria where the Christians, secularists, and Shia are sheltering with President Assad. Get permission to join one of the Sunni militias backed by our "allies" and reportedly armed by the CIA and State, e.g. al-Nusra or al-Qaida. Last I heard, our government paid hundreds of millions to recruit around 10 secular fighters, so if you had joined that program then you could have retired or died for Islam by now. Whatever you do though, don't pretend we have some obligation to help you escalate and spread Islamic violence.

curious2 says

and I certainly don't agree with your assertion that "we" have some obligation to go there and take it for you.

curious2 says

Whatever you do though, don't pretend we have some obligation to help you escalate and spread Islamic violence.

Feeling a little obtuse are "we"?

Syria : current recruiting grounds for ISIS galore. Our actions don't look like we will change much there. Trump is going to continue Obama military policies and inaction with regards to use of chemical weapons.

Either the the "red line" was the right message, followed by the right in-action, or not. What's Trump going to do? Sit on his hands and tweet, is my bet. That was the point of my thread and post.

Further, yes, I would very much love the US Military to do a calculated retaliatory strike as a punitive measure against those who used these weapons. With more to follow if it continues. Does it make the situation amazingly better? Solve Syria? No. Prevent people from chemically burning to death? Yep. Prevent our grounds troops, who Trump has scaled up, from facing a similar threat? You bet!

Here is me being a "War Hawk" again ...

Next up will be that South Sudan becomes an Islamic terrorist hotbed. Why? (Because Islam is a poisonous thought Humans must not think? No.) Because we don't care enough to stop it, and don't think it will cost us more in the long run.

The United States of America, at least did, set the tone for what was acceptable with regards to politics and war. We are also the biggest 'Empire' today with the most to lose for instability ANYWHERE in the world. If we want to retrench back there is going to be a big cost to that.

Currently we are domestically in chaos, with a completely inept government, and the world is adrift looking for new direction. Everything I know says far bigger conflicts this way come, and it will be exactly because we pull into a little shell, and let it happen.

Ironman says

We don't know yet because ...

What do you think he will do? I think ZERO change on foreign policy, because he doesn't know anything about modern war.

Ironman says

Thanks Obama!!

Woooo-boy. If you think the current chaos is because of Obama, you have some big soul searching to do. Trump credibility and popularity is falling like a rock.

curious2 says

What kind of person lends money to suicide jihadis anyway?

Ha ha ha. LOL.
An Arab might. It's not their brains that made them famous.

Strategist says

He just kept drawing red lines on the sand.

What color of red was it? (i.e. : what do you really mean?)

Strategist says

We need to torture terrorists for information.

Yes. Because we have mass credible evidence that torture works, and we want to make sure we set that as the precedent for world conflict going forward, so our own troops may be torture. (this is where I swear at you)

Strategist says

Trump wants to join hands with Russia and others to destroy ISIS once and for all.

In the crossfire will be a democratic rebellion that will be extinguished too as Russia and Assad seem unable to tell rebel field hospitals from ISIS training camp. (Sorry about the chlorine! My bad!)

Rew says

Strategist says

We need to torture terrorists for information.

Yes. Because we have mass credible evidence that torture works, and we want to make sure we set that as the precedent for world conflict going forward, so our own troops may be torture. (this is where I swear at you)

Torture works. Wether we do it or not, the Islamic radicals will always torture our troops and citizens for pleasure.
You can swear at me all you want. I don't mind. :)

Strategist says

An Arab might. It's not their brains that made them famous.

Hospitals, Surgery, Algebra, Optics, the fucking toothbrush.
Or, if you prefer, a little more PNet worthy, how about frequency analysis in cryptography?

Barbarian. ;)

Strategist says

Torture works.

Doesn't.

Rew says

Strategist says

An Arab might. It's not their brains that made them famous.

Hospitals, Surgery, Algebra, Optics, the fucking toothbrush.
Or, if you prefer, a little more PNet worthy, how about frequency analysis in cryptography?

Barbarian. ;)

Hey Rew,

Some of the things you listed they are just copied from India. Arabs are just good at copying. If you are muslim never mind.

Rew says

Strategist says

An Arab might. It's not their brains that made them famous.

Hospitals, Surgery, Algebra, Optics, the fucking toothbrush.
Or, if you prefer, a little more PNet worthy, how about frequency analysis in cryptography?

Big deal. All civilizations contributed something.
The only things that made Arabs famous, were oil and terrorism. None of them required brains.

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Trump admin says: Syria and Russia did it. Sukhoi jets dropped the munitions.

Atleast wiki has some reference in there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_influence_on_Islamic_science

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

Rew says

Trump admin says: Syria and Russia did it. Sukhoi jets dropped the munitions.

Why would Russia use chemical weapons? Makes no sense.

Rew says

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

How is copying something and showing that as your own Improving. That is called stealing.

i guess you are ok with China taking IP from US companies and saying we are just improving.

indc says

Rew says

Who would have thought a culture and people would improve on something? Unheard of.

Trump let slip the tweets of war! :p

How is copying something and showing that as your own Improving. That is called stealing.

i guess you are ok with China taking IP from US companies and saying we are just improving.

Indians are a lot smarter than Arabs. How many Arabs do you see in tech companies and work that requires brains?

Did Shakespeare write original works or merely steal the alphabet and re-arrange the letters a bunch? The point is the degree to which you change something can make it your own. Whole fields of law devoted to this. Sure, India. But India didn't spread these ideas to the west and Arabss did more than 'steal'. Arabic culture, to date, has typically been far more influential on the West.

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

Rew says

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

OK. Here are your Arab engineers:

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Stupid is as marrying your family members for 1200 years does.

Quigley says

Several dead? How did you miss the half million or so dead in the overall conflict?

There's a lot of work cleaning up Obama and Hillary's mess in Syria.

A bigger mess: Bringing back to life ~4500 servicemen the SLIME FUCKING TRASH Republicans killed in IRAQ.
FUCK YOU LYING SOCIALIST REPUBLICANS!

Rew says

Did Shakespeare write original works or merely steal the alphabet and re-arrange the letters a bunch? The point is the degree to which you change something can make it your own. Whole fields of law devoted to this. Sure, India. But India didn't spread these ideas to the west and Arabss did more than 'steal'. Arabic culture, to date, has typically been far more influential on the West.

I'd trade our entire IT department for just the seven Arab SW engineers I work with daily.

Are you trying to say that Indian system is archiac and arabic system is advanced. What else do you think. White man came to India to give them civilization.
Do you have proof that whatever muslim guy did was much advanced than indian system. Dont try to bullshit us. Yes europe got knowledge from arabs because much of the knowledge was in the east and arabs were just conduits for knowledge transfer.
The best comparison I can give is if Indian system is alphabets, the best the muslim guy did was put it in order that you read now.
Did you ever ask your muslim friends why was all the great discoveries happened in the initial phase of Islam and not in middle or later phases?
Let me tell you why, in the initial phase Islam was not strong it was just growing. It did not have much control on its population. People still had freedom of thought . But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

indc says

Did you ever ask your muslim friends why was all the great discoveries happened in the initial phase of Islam and not in middle or later phases?

Let me tell you why, in the initial phase Islam was not strong it was just growing. It did not have much control on its population. People still had freedom of thought . But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Loved it. Thanks.

Strategist says

Indians are a lot smarter than Arabs. How many Arabs do you see in tech companies and work that requires brains?

Europeans in the age of enlightenment were much smarter than Europeans in the dark ages. Does this disprove the theory of evolution or prove that European genes were replaced by aliens? No. It just means that society is fragile, and groups of people slip into periods of darkness where resources are held back and smart people don't have opportunity. Then, there are periods where society is working well, and there is plenty of opportunity, so intelligent people can share ideas and discover/invent new things.

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

YesYNot says

The Arab world at the moment is a mess. That doesn't mean that they are genetically inferior or have never been capable of greatness. It means that right now, it's a mess, and many of the people in power are selfish assholes.

It just means when a society is held back by religion and stupid beliefs, it will breed more idiots.

YesYNot says

Europeans in the age of enlightenment were much smarter than Europeans in the dark ages.

The were freer of religious constraints. The Catholic Church had lost the power to suppress scientific and intellectual advance by the time of the Enlightenment. Or you could say that the Enlightenment itself was the revolt against religious power:

The Enlightenment was marked by an emphasis on the scientific method and reductionism along with increased questioning of religious orthodoxy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment

Islam is far more violent and anti-intellectual than the Catholic Church was at its very worst.

You could even say that Islamic terrorism is a reaction to the Enlightenment. It took a very long time for Enlightenment ideas to finally reach Islamic countries, but with the mixing of people and the rise of the internet, now Muslims are being exposed to anti-Islamic ideas like democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion.

Islam is definitely being threatened by the overwhelming worldwide evidence that every single prosperous peaceful scientifically advanced society is non-Islamic.

rando says

The Catholic Church had lost the power to suppress scientific and intellectual advance by the time of the Enlightenment.

Christianity does not have science in a bottle, but it sure does hold back/slow the transmission of understanding from the scientific community to the general population.

rando says

Islam is far more violent and anti-intellectual than the Catholic Church was at its very worst.

I'll leave the scoring to the historians. My point was that you cannot look at a snapshot of a society at a specific point in time and draw conclusions about the intelligence of the people there or the inherent value of the dominant religion. Personally, I don't care for any religion, so I'm not going to directly defend Islam. But I will point out that there are many reasons for a society to fail or succeed. I've read that societies that are too rich in a single controllable resource (like oil) tend to become controlled by assholes and society suffers. It's hard to determine cause and effect though, as there are many variables to account for including the correlation of religion with oil resources. On the other hand, we are/were pretty resource rich and that was an advantage over places that are flat out resource poor. So, there are many variables that help determine the fate of societies beyond the intelligence of the population.

What we can agree on is that today Islam is being used to get people to behave terribly.
Some of our differences may explain our different views regarding taking in a small amount of refugees.

Strategist says

OK. Here are your Arab engineers:

Those don't look like any engineers I know. Those look like tribal leaders and warriors to me.

Just what was 'stupid' about that video exactly?

Hey racist REW, when are you going to answer me.

YesYNot says

What we can agree on is that today Islam is being used to get people to behave terribly.

OK, yes, we agree on that.

But I'd go further, not only is Saudi Arabia using Islam to launch terrorists around the world, but the terrorists like to do it because Islam tells them to.

indc says

But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Typically, all religions do that, and that's gross oversimplification for the decline of the Islamic golden age. Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

How far back do you want to trace algebra's development? India doesn't seem to be able to claim initial origination of algebra either.

PCGyver says

I'd like to know what religion this doesn't apply to?

None come to mind.

Rew says

indc says

But once islam gets stronger it sucks intellectual thoughts.

Typically, all religions do that, and that's gross oversimplification for the decline of the Islamic golden age. Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

How far back do you want to trace algebra's development? India doesn't seem to be able to claim initial origination of algebra either.

PCGyver says

I'd like to know what religion this doesn't apply to?

None come to mind.

How many religions do you know. Learn world history. Eastern religions don't do that. They question what is wrong with older religion and propose a change live with it. They dont go about killing everyone from old religion. Christianity found this approach is wrong and is trying to correct itself. We don't see that in Islam. This Wahhabi mentality is going to consume us all.
Rew you still did not answer my question do you think Indian system is archiac and islamic system is advanced. If you dont want to answer it just say I will learn about them.

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Rew says

Islamic cultures didn't recede because of their religion.

You only have to look back at the last 30 years of history. Countries like Afghanistan, Iran and Egypt were much more modern, secular, tolerant and successful before the Khomeni revolution in 1970's and the rise of Saudi Wahabbi money and influence in the Sunni countries.

My next door neighbor fled Iran in 1979 and is appalled at how his country has gone backwards in that time.

www.youtube.com/embed/jxo-cjJY0uc

indc says

How many religions do you know. Learn world history. Eastern religions don't do that.

Don't do what? Push their own ideologies at the expense of science and reason? Or are you really claiming no other Eastern religions have any violence or extremism in them, ever?

Are you backing your claim that Islamic culture, from it's golden age, receded primarily because of Islamic practice itself?

indc says

Rew you still did not answer my question do you think Indian system is archiac and islamic system is advanced.

Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi adopted the Indian numeric system, and yes, wrote his own original mathematics texts using it. He is the first one to harmonize Greek and Indian math together, and then essentially, make a clear split and definition for Algebra itself. It's not an accident we call the numbering system today Arabic numerals, despite how you may feel about the ability to lay claim to them.

Credit where credit is due. Mohammad Al-Khwarizmi didn't simply copy things. He originated and developed much of modern algebra himself.

socal2 says

You only have to look back at the last 30 years of history.

That's not the collapse of the golden age of Islam. That's the modern rise of Islamic extremism. That didn't just magically spring forth from Islam itself.

Rew says

That's not the collapse of the golden age of Islam. That's the modern rise of Islamic extremism. That didn't just magically spring forth from Islam itself.

But it is contemporary proof that Islam (unlike any other contemporary religion) can drag entire civilizations down (both Sunni and Shia).

Every other corner of the globe has advanced in that time while the majority of the Muslim/Arab world has declined.

rando says

like to do it because Islam tells them to.

People tell them that is what Islam says to do. They can read the Koran all they like, but there are multiple reasonable interpretations of any holy book, which is why you have various branches of religion with different interpretations of the bible. There is a difference. Also, Religions are defined by the people who practice them more so than the holy book that they use. Otherwise, all branches of Christianity would be the same.