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THUNDERDOME- Don't Enter If YOU Are a Pussy or an Idiot: The U.S. Should Go To A Single-Payer, Everyone Gets Medical Care, System, PERIOD


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2017 May 5, 9:05pm   3,143 views  50 comments

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The U.S. spends twice as much as the next-nearest expensive nation on medical care, yet has more people uninsured as a % of population, MUCH HIGHER doctor visit costs, medication, hospital charges, surgical costs, diagnostic costs, treatment costs EVERYTHING etc. costs (37% to 212% higher).

This is because medical care DOES NOT WORK THE WAY MOST INDUSTRIES DO, whereby TECHNOLOGY TYPICALLY DRIVES DOWN COSTS.

Regarding medical care, technology DRIVES UP COSTS, and in the case of medical innovation, whether diagnostic, pharmaceutical, surgical, immunotherapy, etc., Americans pay for breakthrough technologies that are then stolen, or at least, borrowed (at a much lower cost), y consumers in other nations.

Not only that, but it's certifiably true that a single-payer system whereby the government has negotiating power for 320 million Americans will give the government massive leverage it does not now have (Medicare is a fraction of 320 million, and Medicare still has massive leverage negotiating prices), is the only way to put downward pressure on out-of-control and oligopolostic pharmaceutical companies, medical device manufacturers, doctors, hospitals (i.e. Insurance companies, which now own most hospitals and doctors groups), etc.

There is a reason we have an abhorrent system of incredibly expensive, inefficient, and impossible-to-understand medical'care in the U.S., and it's because there's no massive single buyer as in France, Australia, Italy, Japan, etc., etc.

We have 37,000 FUCKING BILLING CODES FOR MEDICAL SERVICES RENDERED!!! IT'S FUCKING INSANE!!! THE INSANE HAVE DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY WERE HIRED TO BY THE MEDICAL CARE COMPLEX BECAUSE IT CREATES INEFFICIENCIES AND PURE, INSANE PROFIT!!!

The pharmaceutical companies, medical device makers, doctors (particularly specialists), insurance companies, etc., lobby and balkanize and fragment and confuse the entire system, to enrich themselves in ways and by margins not deemed rational or in the public's interest in other advanced, developed, civilized, rational nations.

We're fucked in the U.S. six ways to Sunday because the health care lobby is giant, out-of-control, all-powerful, greedy fucking ass collusory entity that ensures monopoly-like profits and has no real cost-pressures not reasons to modernize and get efficient in the ways HAT OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE FORCED TO.

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48   bob2356   2017 May 9, 8:51am  

Strategist says

We need our insurance companies to allow medical tourism. Follow up care can always be done in the US.

A number of them do. Did you ask? Skip India/Thailand and go for Malaysia. Prince Court Medical Center Kuala Lumpur is ranked the number one hospital for “patients without borders” by the Medical Travel Quality Alliance. Costa RIca is a good choice if you don't want to hump half way around the world, Plus it's an awesome place that I've spent considerable time exploring. If I weren't a very serious skier/boarder I'd really consider living there.

For a brief period you could do medical tourism in NZ until the government figured out the public system would end up backstopping the private system without being paid for it if anything went wrong.

Health care costs are out of control for many reasons but drastic change isn't going to happen. It's just going to get worse and worse.

49   joeyjojojunior   2017 May 9, 11:25am  

"If we don't have drug patents, no company will bother to develop new drugs"

Of course they would. Companies develop new products all the time without getting patents.

50   Tenpoundbass   2017 May 9, 12:06pm  

At the end of the day any plan called "Single Payer" or any plan that will eventually evolve into a "Single Payer"

Simply means you are the single person responsible for paying the out of pocket, the deductibles, the doctor visits and the bulk of any medical work done.
The Liberals and Republicans have been delivering us a Single Payer plan for year, you're just too stupid to ask the right question.

It's called "Government Healthcare" you dickweeds, get used to dismal failure until you can learn what to ask for.

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