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CBOEtrader says

So yes, it was a big win against the bi-partisan team neocon.

It must kill you that Trump stuffed his administration with a bunch of "neocons" like Mattis, McMaster, Hailey, Pence.....- right?

What happened?

Was Trump always a neocon just talking bullshit during the campaign to get the 9/11 troofers all excited? Or was Trump too weak and unable to appoint his own foreign policy team without "neocons" infesting it?

socal2 says

Was Trump always a neocon just talking bullshit during the campaign to get the 9/11 troofers all excited? Or was Trump too weak and unable to appoint his own foreign policy team without "neocons" infesting it?

I don't fucking know man, the media doesn't ask him reasonable questions like this. They don't engage him in productive conversation. They just scream Russia and impeach over and over again.

McMaster is particularly troubling.

Perhaps its impossible to drain the swamp. Perhaps he's taking poor advise. Or perhaps he saw the billions that other presidents can easily steal, and decided to take part in the party.

I really don't know. I do know the MSM is the enemy of the people, regardless of whether trump is a solution or just another chode. W all these investigations we shall know more soon.

Tim Aurora says

That said, he could still get by but for his unusual liking for Russians.

He needs the Russians to fight ISIS for us, the same way he convinced China to help w N Korea. His foreign policy strategy requires allying ourselves w the Russians.

CBOEtrader says

the media doesn't ask him reasonable questions like this. They don't engage him in productive conversation. They just scream Russia and impeach over and over again.

This is true.

The media is nutty lately, frothing at the mouth and desperately leaping from one unsubstantiated allegation to another. Their credibility has gone to shit.

To rebuild that credibility is going to be very hard. They could start by attempting a little bit of objectivity and neutrality.

rando says

To rebuild that credibility is going to be very hard.

No. Reality has a liberal bis and you right wingers lost touch a long time ago. You'll always have Brietbart, Fox and the hate network that Trump and family probably start up (or buy) when he leaves.

At least 2/3rds of the people (about the came percentage that wants Trump out) have no problems with the media.

This is a big win for the right though too. Who would have thought that I would ever be relieved at the prospect of Mike Pence becoming president ?

marcus says

Reality has a liberal bis and you right wingers lost touch a long time ago.

Right - kind of like these realities that Liberals believe?

- There are more than 2 genders?
- There are no innate differences in the sexes?
- Single mothers with government assistance are just as good at raising children as a 2 parent family?
- Public Sector unions are awesome for government efficiency?
- Public Sector pensions are not Ponzi Schemes?
- If you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor.......period?
- Third Trimester unborn babies are nothing but a "clump of cells"?
- We are facing "Peak Oil"?
- There is epidemic of rape occurring on college campuses?
- Women make $.77/dollar compared to a man?
- Socialism is awesome, it is just implemented wrong time and time again.....

socal2 says

Right - kind of like these realities that Liberals believe?

- There are more than 2 genders?

- There are no innate differences in the sexes?

Another dimbulb who needs to use the most strident freakish SJW as some sort of representative of the typical liberal.

You prove my point about how far removed you are from reality. I don't believe any of your supposed tenets of liberalism. Maybe one or two.

marcus says

socal2 says

Right - kind of like these realities that Liberals believe?

- There are more than 2 genders?


- There are no innate differences in the sexes?

Another dimbulb who needs to use the most strident freakish SJW as some sort of representative of the typical liberal.

You prove my point about how far removed you are from reality. I don't believe m0ore than one or two of your supposed tenets of liberalism.

Dan8267 says

There is far more evidence of his crimes than there were of Obama's or Hillary's. You are being partisan.

Dan, Different Treatment:

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Different Treatment:

Aren't you embarrassed. Oh, no, I forgot.

Stupid though. Do you actually think that the issue is or ever was whether or not to share intelligence about terrorists with Russia ? You think that's what people are bothered about ? That would make no sense.

IT's about it being highly classified, and Trump willy nilly declassifying it without even consulting with anyone. It is exactly extreme hubris. Of course he fired most of the state department diplomats too. Based on what ? Do we know ?

I wonder whether the leak might have been the Russians. They don't necessarily like having Trump as President. THey just like seeing chaos and a breakdown in America. How could they possibly have fucked us over worse than by getting Trump elected President. Maybe they reckon by getting him impeached after they get elected. That would have to make Putin feel pretty powerful if he could accomplish both, right ?

marcus says

Another dimbulb who needs to use the most strident freakish SJW as some sort of representative of the typical liberal.

Those are all MAINSTREAM positions of your Democrat party.

Can you show me a single Democrat that has criticized let alone passed any legislation against any of those issues?

marcus says

How could they possibly have fucked us over worse than by getting Trump elected President.

If the Russians really swung the election for Trump, they fucked themselves by getting a pro-oil man elected which is breaking the back of OPEC and Russia's petro-state.

Trump openly campaigned on dramatically increasing America's energy production (and our military), while Hillary was campaigning on limiting gas and oil production which would make us like Germany and more hostage to OPEC and Russia for our energy needs.

Yes, the DNC is lead by a bunch of hypocrites. No, that doesn't mean Trump hasn't committed a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. The DNC is irrelevant to this. So call out the DNC for hypocrisy while you put Trump in handcuffs.

anonymous says

[President Trump's] mighty adversaries in the highly politicized federal agencies want him to fail spectacularly, and fast, and they have a lot of help from the NY Times / WashPo / CNN axis of hysteria, as well as such slippery swamp creatures as Lindsey Graham.

Part of that results from MIC & Saudi bloodlust demanding war in Syria and hijrah into NATO. Part of it results from MSM having become totally committed to their incredibly exaggerated and sometimes imaginary narrative about Donald Trump: their credibility and identities as the "smart" people depend on the President leaving office before he has time to prove he isn't Hitler.

Unfortunately, he's giving the MIC & Saudis much of what they wanted: more military spending, three illegal attacks on Syria so far, more weapons and support for the wars in Syria and Yemen. The MIC and their Saudi clients appear to be using the threat of investigations and phony charges to make him do what they want.

Even more unfortunately, Democrats are failing to follow Bernie Sanders' lead and draft legislation consistent with the good promises that candidate Trump campaigned on. Democrats should be writing and advocating legislation based on the good things he said. Instead, too many Democrats have decided to become part of the problem, campaigning for more war and hijrah, partly because they get their $$$ from the same sources as the Republicans, and partly because their identities and credibility depend on the fake news narrative that the MSM have been pushing. It's crowd dynamics: they compete to denounce the President and all of his works and all of his temptations, thus proving their loyalty to the misled crowd, while at the same time further misleading the crowd.

curious2 says

their credibility and identities as the "smart" people depend on the President leaving office before he has time to prove he isn't Hitler.

Lionel, long time Talk Radio and Lawyer, talks about how all the people in his circle lap up everything anonymous rumor the WaPo and NYT puts out daily.

Today it was an Anonymous Source claiming they fingered somebody they are keeping Anonymous is the Leaker in the WH. Who probably is a member of Alcoholics Anonymous and was hacked by Anonymous. Only a Trumptard would be skeptical of such a story.

Dan8267 says

Yes, the DNC is lead by a bunch of hypocrites. No, that doesn't mean Trump hasn't committed a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. The DNC is irrelevant to this. So call out the DNC for hypocrisy while you put Trump in handcuffs.

You actually have an ample amount of right of center people who think Trump deserves most of the criticism heaped on him....but because of the continued MSM and Democrat hysteria, they are forced to first fight against that.

Biggest cases in point are John McCain and Ann Coulter.

If the MSM would shut up for a bit with the fake anonymous sources, the country might right itself a bit.

Fucking White Male says

If the MSM would shut up for a bit with the fake anonymous sources, the country might right itself a bit.

As long as Fox News and conservative media is spitting out false information on everything from Benghazi to climate change, a partisan counterpoint is needed. We can all go to neutral PBS when the propaganda machine is no longer working.

Booger says

You think that's bad? Remember how Fox News reported Obama's first day in office?

Black man enters the White House claiming to be president. No comment on the incident from the Secret Service. However, sources tell us that the entire Bush family had to leave the White House because of this and there current whereabouts are unknown. Attempts to remove the black man from the White House have been unsuccessful.

jazz music says

It's too much to remember. I'm sure you forgot about a few of the things on the list above already. The barrage grinds us all down.

NOPE. Sorry, the WaPo itself reported "a number of arrests"...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/09/18/northern-new-jersey-draws-probers-eyes/40f82ea4-e015-4d6e-a87e-93aa433fafdc/
... and local NY/NJ Stations covered the apartments close to the mosques in NJ, and the interviewed the Cops who said they remembered going to the apartment complexes "8 years ago" - during the first WTC bombing.

Those complexes were packed with Jihadi symps around a radical, Islamist Mosque.

www.youtube.com/embed/3auKMHkZJnQ

Just a couple of blocks away from that Jersey City apartment the F.B.I. raided yesterday and had evidence removed, there is another apartment building, one that investigators told me, quote, was swarming with suspects — suspects who I’m told were cheering on the roof when they saw the planes slam into the Trade Center. Police were called to the building by neighbors and found eight men celebrating, six of them tenants in the building.

The F.B.I. and other terrorist task force agencies arrived, and the older investigators on the task force recalled that they had been to this building before, eight years ago, when the first World Trade Center attack led them to Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman, whose Jersey City mosque lies between the two buildings getting attention today. And the older investigators remember that the suspects that eventually got convicted for the first Trade Center case … lived in the building where these same eight men were celebrating the destruction that they saw from the roof. Calling this a hot address, the task force investigators ordered everyone detained.

How much is a "swarm" or a "number"? People called into radio and TV shows all that week talking about Muslims dancing on rooftops AND in the Streets.

www.youtube.com/embed/1ErS12XaSDE

anonymous says

Not sure if I posted these before and while a lot of you don't care for Taibbi, he is and has been questioning "Russiagate"...

Yep. Greenwald and Taibbi haven't changed their stripes, they're principled people.

zzyzzx says

Yes of course there was so much substance to the Hillary scandals and they were so enormous, on fox news that is.

Behghazi is probably the worst of the three, and it's all about her speculating for a day or two about the cause before retracting her guess as to the reason for it. Meanwhile dozens of similar incidents under previous Presidents (even the huge terrorist bombing of a base in Lebanon in the Reagan years) were never blamed on a politician.

marcus says

Behghazi [sic]

If you are going to insist upon writing about that place, you might at least learn about what was actually happening in that particular chapter of Hillary's War.

Also, if you are going to post comments that expose willful ignorance on your part, you might at least refrain from calling everyone else "dimbulbs", which makes you seem like a switched off bulb. In some threads, you've called "dimbulbs" some of the most intelligent commenters on PatNet, people whose IQs are likely more than 20 points higher than yours. You write like a guy who might be 5'10" and has no other way of being even slightly above average, so he calls everyone "shorty", but keeps his eyes shut so he won't see that some of the people he calls "shorty" are noticeably taller than he is. I'll give you partial credit for the time you deleted calling me a "retard", but I suspect you deleted that only because using that particular word might get you in trouble if a school administrator found it. Instead of "retard", you write "dimbulb", over and over again, like a prayer, wishing others were dumberer. You should rather consider trying to make yourself smarter. Especially if you are actually trying to teach, you might encourage people to try harder and learn more, rather than choosing ignorance and dismissing everyone who disagrees with you as "dimbulbs".

curious2 says

you might at least learn to spell properly,

Jedus Christ. The fuckstick hit the enighboring h key instead of the n key. Who would do sucj a thing? What a dumb fuck!!!!!!

YesYNot says

Who would do sucj a thing?

Can you find any example where he has ever misspelled "dimbulb"?

curious2 says

Can you find any example

Hold on a minute while I search.

No, that doesn't sound fun at all. I'm just going to go shoot myself, instead.

YesYNot says

I'm just going to

wait, ok, I edited the comment to remove the part that drove you to such distraction. You have much to live for, probably plenty more wars you can support, bombing people out of their homes to spread Islam into NATO countries. Besides, Hillary's War in Libya wasn't even "hostilities": apparently, only friendly bombs were dropped, and the expansion of the non-hostilities to Syria liberated hundreds of thousands from their lives, and millions from their homes, where they only said they had been happy before Hillary's War.

zzyzzx says

Hillary used a private email server. Trump told the Russians to hack the DNC servers, told the Russians state secrets, and his cabinet met with the Russians and perjured about it. Clearly Hillary is worse.

Hillary was Secretary of State when the Benghazi attack occurred. Trump's first military operation, the Yemen raid, killed a marine and a bunch of civilians and was a complete disaster. Damn Hillary.

The Clintons gave face time to people who made large donations to their charity. Trump embezzled from the Republican campaign donors during the primary, embezzled from the government after the election, placed his family in key positions, and used his presidential power to aid his businesses. Damn Clintons!

Look, Hillary is a terrible person and we don't want her president. But if you're comparing scandals, in only 5 months of presidency and one election, Trump has ranked up more scandals and worse ones than both Clintons combined did over 25 years.

Liberals playing their usual games

Conservatives being hypocrites as usual. In fact this deserves an entire thread of its own, so I'll open one.

I was shocked when Hillary committed felony open broadcast of classified information, and Comey acting like an AG, essentially read his verdict on National TV. He overstepped his bounds (he works for the investigation service, not at the AGs office)

Now there is a rumor that Comeys brother is a Lawyer at DLA Piper, which about it is said that multiple work and defense of the Clintons and the Foundations were made.

https://stonecoldtruth.com/comey-tied-to-clintons-money/

A surveillance team checking maps undercover.
A photophobic patient dutifully scanning the naked chick thread.
A Porking Event with an IHL-SJW.

Always the glass half empty with you libbies...

jazzmusic says

Dimbulb implies a poor performance

jazzmusic says

Hypocrites exceeded only by baptists in my experience.

Baptists are highly conservative.

How come the House Investigation hasn't called any of the very eager potential witnesses?

Delay, delay, delay. They ain't got nuthin', but they want to keep the rumors churning. Why call witnesses who will shoot down their Evidence-Free narrative?

We'll see. The rumor is that Comey is testifying next Wednesday.

The appointment of a special counsel certainly impacted the Congressional investigations.