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curious2 says

Ah, I see what you did there. Your selective screen grab omitted most of what he said in the interview that you linked:

Not really. I cut the first question which was what the NYT article was referencing. curious2 says

Open market operations happen all the time, including via the Federal Reserve. That's been going on for more than a century, buying and selling Treasury bonds via open market operations. The Fed has a whole committee expressly for this purpose, the "open market committee." Printing money to buy bonds is called monetizing, and buying some bonds while selling others is a long established tool to manage the yield curve.

Of course. Nobody would have written anything if Trump had stated that he'd like to increase the percentage of US debt in longer maturity bonds. But that's not what he said.

rando says

Yes, joeyjojojunior simply discounted the three links I presented, apparently without even reading them.

They are all very clear examples of how the press continually lies through omission and distortion.

Patrick--you've got to be kidding me!! What the fuck. Did you read them?? I read them and explained why they are not relevant.

How are any of them showing how MSM mischaracterizes what Trump says??? One was about Rosie ODonnell being punked by a fake video. One was about twitter users responses to a fake story. One was a news story that confirmed everything the MSM said, but opined that it wasn't a big deal because the President has the power to declassify information.

None had anything about MSM mischaracterizing Trump.

These are three examples of the press deliberately distorting the facts because it helps their witch hunt.

Trump was not my choice.

But I'm sure glad that we did not get Hillary.

Smoke & mirrors,misdirection,red herrings, anything to distract while the D & R 1% laugh at the simpleton voters.
Trump's playing the part they all agreed on.
George Carlin:
"The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions."
"They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls."
Squeeze 'em harder!
Enjoying your life of denial?

joeyjojojunior says

Nobody would have written anything if Trump had stated that he'd like to increase the percentage of US debt in longer maturity bonds. But that's not what he said.

Again, from your link, already copied and pasted above onto the screen in front of you:

curious2 says

Trump: "I think there are times for us to refinance. We refinance debt with longer term… I could see long-term renegotiations, where we borrow long-term at very low rates. I would refinance debt. I think we should refinance longer-term debt."

I saw what he said, on video, at the time. The reason you don't believe he said what he said is because you've been hypnotized by partisan headlines, which you repeat. By denying the obvious, and inventing or distorting allegations unsupported by facts, you alienate people and put reasonable observers in the position of defending Donald Trump. It's very odd. I saw interviews during the campaign: voters said they had seen scary MSM stories about him and had then seen with their own eyes that those stories were false. Many of them stopped believing the MSM, and decided to vote for him.

Not bad Patrick, I'm impressed with you!

Curious2, my interpretation of that is that he would use the threat of not paying back in full to renegotiate. The goal of the renegotiation would be to force the other party to offer us a good deal on (below market) on long term rates. Otherwise, no need to negotiate. Trump is expert on getting paid without getting paid.

Anyway, after reviewing this, I can see your point about the media exaggerating. That explains why it never became a bigger story.

We're being trained.

No matter what Trump does, however bad, one third of the country (including Patrick) and the right wing media will always label it liberal hysteria.

If he steps out on fifth avenue and shoots someone, it will be, "oh there the liberals go again with their hysteria"

This is guaranteed. IF he accidentally starts world war 3, it will be, "oh there the liberals go again with their hysteria"

I guess this was predictable back in 2016. I don't believe it will ever be a majority view though. Thankfully Brietbart and Fox don't have that much power.

marcus says

We're being trained.

No matter what Trump does, however bad, one third of the country (including Patrick) and the right wing media will always label it liberal hysteria.

If he steps out on fifth avenue and shoots someone, it will be, "oh there the liberals go again with their hysteria"

This is guaranteed. IF he accidentally starts world war 3, it will be, "oh there the liberals go again with their hysteria"

I guess this was predictable back in 2016. I don't believe it will ever be a majority view though. Thankfully Brietbart and Fox don't have that much power.

Bzzzzz! Wrong!

It's labeled hysteria because all caps cries for impeachment when no defined crime has taken place are the very definition of hysteria.

Which is why I keep linking the wiki entry:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria

You're a math teacher. Surely you understand fact and logic....tee hee.

Fucking White Male says

no defined crime has taken place

This is the important point.

HEY YOU says

Smoke & mirrors,misdirection,red herrings, anything to distract while the D & R 1% laugh at the simpleton voters.

@"HEY YOU" OK, so what is your solution? I'm listening, but looking for realistic practical answers.

YesYNot says

Curious2, my interpretation of that is that he would...

Thanks for your comment, but I didn't interpret his remarks that way, especially since he didn't use any such words. He did say "discount," which I interpreted to mean the usual tools of monetizing and open market operations. He also talked about trade and defense, so I interpreted that to mean he'd use trade and defense treaties to try to get more $$$ for America, which might include debt forgiveness. All of that would be legal, and consistent with what he and others have advocated for a long time.

Some OTHER Republicans, including in Congress, tried to threaten default by not increasing the debt ceiling. I've never seen President Trump advocate anything like that.

Respectfully, I think the exaggerated headlines were intended to skew your interpretation of what Donald Trump actually said. I've been reading Scott Adams' blog; he is a cartoonist but also has a degree in economics and trained as a hypnotist, and he says intelligence and education are no defense against the hypnosis and persuasion the MSM have been using. After seeing too many exaggerated headlines, I learned to ignore them; if I want to know what the President said, I look it up on YouTube or Twitter.

The thing I find shocking is that so many Democrats welcome the prospect of President Pence. That makes no sense at all. There is no way to argue that would be an improvement for anyone other than the MSM who have sacrificed their credibility. They want to think of themselves as the smart and well informed and credible people in the room, and every day the President proves he isn't Hitler, it drives them ever more crazy.

curious2 says

The thing I find shocking is that so many Democrats welcome the prospect of President Pence.

Those people are either blinded by their hatred or scared over what kind of damage Trump could do. I'd take the freak show we are watching over Pence any day, and I never figured that Trump would do any permanent damage. I am surprised by Trump's incompetence lately, though. He should lawyer up and stop saying stupid shit. IMO, he's showing the same type of arrogance and ignorance that made Hillary so careless with email. He has all the resources in the world to get help. He should use them.

curious2 says

I've been reading Scott Adams' blog

I know. I've seen plenty of references to it around here. Hypnosis is fascinating. Have you seen the hypnosis comedy shows in person? It's ridiculous what they get people to do. It seems that the brain is easy to trick in a lot of ways.

YesYNot says

Have you seen the hypnosis comedy shows in person?

Not yet, but I'm experiencing some of it in real life: friends with postgraduate education insisting adamantly on demonstrably false statements.

One friend with an M.S. in engineering insisted that Hillary had won a majority in 2016. I said she hadn't. He insisted pedantically that "mathematically" she had. In reality, she got 48% of the 55% who voted. When I pointed out those facts and that 70% of the citizens eligible to vote for her had chosen not to, he conceded grudgingly but insisted the 70% of his fellow adult citizens could not possibly have had any rational reason for not voting HIllary.

Another with a JD and LLM had literally forgotten the difference between a majority and a plurality. He asked me, "What's the difference?"

Both went on and on about nuclear war. It was a rerun of LBJ's "Daisy ad" against Barry Goldwater. Hillary was a "Goldwater Girl" back then, and her team appear to have remembered the lesson: terrify people with the image of nuclear war, attach that somehow emotionally (but not rationally) to your opponent, and count on panic to preclude reason. LBJ beat Goldwater, and the world's largest nuclear power escalated an illegal war in southeast Asia against a proxy of the world's second largest nuclear power. The 2016 campaign seemed like a rerun, with the Democrats promising more ground troops and illegally shooting down Russian planes in Syria. I can't imagine a worse idea than paying for hijrah while also deliberately trying to spark a lethal war between the two most formidable western powers, but somehow many Americans are hypnotized to do Nazis' Muslims' bidding, as per The Sum of All Fears (where the villains were actual Nazis, rather than their doctrinal close cousins, Muslims).

joeyjojojunior says

I can think only of the grabbing comments during the campaign. You have countless others? Examples?

CNN and New York Times Lie About Trump Claiming Sweden Was Hit With Terror Attack
What Trump said...Here's the bottom line, we've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening. We've got to keep our country safe. You look at what's happening in Germany. You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden! They took in large numbers, they're having problems like they never thought possible. [emphasis mine]

CNN headline: Wilders calls Moroccan immigrants 'scum'
Wilders only called Moroccan scum "Moroccan scum." He also added that "not all are scum."

Here's one on illegal immigration: http://www.dailywire.com/news/12760/flashback-wapo-publishes-study-claims-millions-john-nolte

Univision Lies About Congress Allowing Mentally Ill to Purchase Firearms
The left-wing Spanish-language network Univision falsely reported that Congress had just repealed a law that keeps guns out of the hands of the mentally disturbed.

Senior Editor at The Atlantic Lies About Trump Confessing to Sexual Assault

CNN Lies About Sean Spicer Receiving "Several" SuperSoakers from Staffers

Media Lies About "Yemen Withdraws Permission for U.S. Antiterror Ground Missions"
The Washington Examiner reports that no less than The New York Times and CBS News ran with this lie.

Media Lie About Trump's Dad Producing Racist Political Ads
More media lies exposed by the Washington Examiner:

The claim took off in press circles on Feb. 9. The Facts: The ads mentioned in Blumenthal's essay for the London Review of Books are fakes. Fred Trump never ran for NYC mayor, he never had commercials made up for him and the videos mentioned by Blumenthal were created and posted online last year by an art project group called the "Historical Paroxysm." The group specializes in producing "found footage from alternate realities."

Politico Reporter Lies About Trump Backing "Gang of 8" Immigration Bill

At what point will this list be identified as "countless"? I could do this all day, but I'd rather do other things.

Thanks @"just any guy" we definitely need people like you calling out the press's lies and distortions. Please do more if you get time.

We could fill a whole website with this shit.

Journalists Botch Yet-Another Anti-Trump Fact Check
Washington Examiner:

Trump tweeted at 8:35 am on Feb. 10, "The failing @nytimes does major FAKE NEWS China story saying 'Mr.Xi has not spoken to Mr. Trump since Nov.14.' We spoke at length yesterday!"

Members of the press pounced, and many tried to fact-check Trump's tweet with screen grabs from the updated online version of the Times' story.

But the facts here lean more in Trump's favor.

The Friday print edition claimed incorrectly that the president hadn't spoken with Xi. The president responded Friday morning to the story. Journalists then tried to "gotcha" Trump with the online edition of the report, but fact-checking him with the retroactively updated online version of a story that appeared differently in print doesn't seem the way to go.

The online edition of the Times' story carries no editor's note or clarification noting that it has undergone significant changes.

Media Lies About Trump's Refugee Pause Ensnaring American-born Olympian
Washington Examiner:

The problem with this particular news cycle is that Muhammad was detained in 2016, weeks before Trump had even been sworn in as America's 45th president.

Whoops.

New Republic Claims Trump Has STD, Which Is Why He's Crazy

New York Times Publishes Fake Mike Flynn Tweets as Real Tweets

NBC New Claims Lie About First Lady Melania Trump Is a 'Rumor'
A New York Times reporter was overheard calling First Lady Melania Trump a "hooker." He later apologized, but NBC News now claims he was "spreading a rumor," as opposed to telling a proven lie.

ProPublica Reporter Michael Grabell Lies About Trump Phone Call

National Public Radio Lies -- Claims Hillary Did Not Receive Questions Before CNN Debates

AP Lies About Trump Using 100K National Guard Troops to Round Up Illegals

CBS News Pretends Usual-Usual Layoffs of Political Appointees Means Something

Washington Post Lies About 18 Million Losing Insurance Under ObamaCare Repeal
Actually, that number is more like 2.7 million. The rest are on Medicaid.

New York Times Caught Recycling Same Phony Anti-Trump Headline Over and Over and Over
Good catch by The New York Post. On three different occasions, over three different days, the left-wing New York Times published screaming headlines about the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia. And waaaay below those screaming headlines is always the news that the Trump campaign did absolutely nothing wrong.

Washington Post Misleads About ICE Detaining Woman Seeking Protection from Domestic Abuse
Here's the truth about this dangerous and criminal illegal alien -- which is buried by WaPo under nearly 17 paragraphs of sophistry:

According to the affidavit, I.E.G. has a criminal and immigration history that dates back to 2010 and includes numerous deportations and arrests for assault, violating probation, domestic violence, false imprisonment and possession of stolen mail.

Buh-bye!

Anyone want more?

CNN's Jake Tapper Lies About Trump Not Offering Sympathy to Canada After Mosque Attack

Washington Post Caught Lying About "Illegal Guns" In Washington DC

Los Angeles Times Lies About Trump's "Shift" On NATO
Full-blown lie. Trump has always supported NATO. He has only ever questioned some members of the alliance who have failed to meet their financial commitments.

Newsweek and CNN Spread Lie About Breitbart News Having Their Own Supporters Terrorized

Media Lies About Make Up of Trump's National Security Council
This lie was so egregious and widespread, even the left-wing Washington Post felt the need to speak out:
One thing Trump has decidedly not done, however, is downgrade the participation of the director of national intelligence and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the deliberations of the National Security Council. You may have heard and read otherwise, repeatedly. Therein lies an illustration of how communication between the executive and mainstream media, and with it coverage of the Trump administration, has already come unhinged.

Washington Post Walks Back False Story of Bannon Confrontation
Josh Rogin of the Washington Post, who has been caught publishing three massive Fake News stories in less than 10 days, lied about a confrontation between top Trump aide Steve Bannon and Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly. It never happened. As of today this phony story, which should be retracted, has three corrections and has gone through a complete rewrite.

Washington Post Falsely Accuses Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Lying About Syria Trip

NBC News Lies About Trump Easing Russian Sanctions
NBC reported Thursday that the Trump administration was easing sanctions on the FSB, one of Russia’s primary intelligence agencies. Peter Alexander, NBC’s national correspondent, tweeted, “US Treasury Dept easing Obama admin sanctions to allow companies to do transactions with Russia’s FSB, successor org to KGB.”

Less than an hour later, he wrote, “Source familiar w sanctions says it’s a technical fix, planned under Obama, to avoid unintended consequences of cybersanctions.” His initial and incorrect tweet received nearly seven thousand retweets and the correction has less than 300 retweets. Nevermind!

New York Times Lies About Homeland Security Being Blindsided By Trump's Refugee Pause
Daily Caller:
It stated: “Gen. John F. Kelly, the secretary of homeland security, had dialed in from a Coast Guard plane as he headed back to Washington from Miami. Along with other top officials, he needed guidance from the White House, which had not asked his department for a legal review of the order. Halfway into the briefing, someone on the call looked up at a television in his office. ‘The president is signing the executive order that we’re discussing,’ the official said, stunned.” Secretary Kelly, however, later strongly denied this report during a press conference Tuesday. “We knew it was coming. It wasn’t a surprise,” Kelly said.

Boston Globe Caught Lying About Trump Comments On the Media
The left-wing Boston Globe claimed Trump remarked on "the press not behaving." Trump never said that.

Politico Caught Lying About Trump "Highlighting" Religious Freedom
Read the whole thing here: http://theresurgent.com/the-politico-inaccurately-reports-donald-trump-did-not-highlight-action-on-religious-freedom/

More Fallout From BuzzFeed Publishing What It Knew Was a False Dossier On Trump
A lawsuit has been filed against the left-wing BuzzFeed by a tech company that was smeared in the phony anti-Trump dossier the left-wing outlet published last month.

P.S. BuzzFeed's decision to publish what it knew was Fake News, a ridiculous claim that Trump is now a Manchurian Candidate being blackmailed by the Russians, is part of the MSM's ongoing "assassination dogwhistle" campaign.

Anyone wonder why Trump says "fake news" so much? The fact is that most people just see headlines, make snap judgments, and don't follow up to research this quackery.
News outlets know this and take advantage of the sheeple.

By the way, I got alotta more...I got alotta more.

just any guy says

It stated: “Gen. John F. Kelly, the secretary of homeland security, had dialed in from a Coast Guard plane as he headed back to Washington from Miami. Along with other top officials, he needed guidance from the White House, which had not asked his department for a legal review of the order. Halfway into the briefing, someone on the call looked up at a television in his office. ‘The president is signing the executive order that we’re discussing,’ the official said, stunned.” Secretary Kelly, however, later strongly denied this report during a press conference Tuesday. “We knew it was coming. It wasn’t a surprise,” Kelly said.

Most of your "fake news MSM lies" sounds like fairly trivial items leaked from the White House and then denied by the White House.

I wonder how many were true ?

marcus says

just any guy says

It stated: “Gen. John F. Kelly, the secretary of homeland security, had dialed in from a Coast Guard plane as he headed back to Washington from Miami. Along with other top officials, he needed guidance from the White House, which had not asked his department for a legal review of the order. Halfway into the briefing, someone on the call looked up at a television in his office. ‘The president is signing the executive order that we’re discussing,’ the official said, stunned.” Secretary Kelly, however, later strongly denied this report during a press conference Tuesday. “We knew it was coming. It wasn’t a surprise,” Kelly said.

Most of your "fake news MSM lies" sounds like fairly trivial items leaked from the White House and then denied by the White House.

I wonder how many were true ?

Did you try to find the most trivial example you could find and then paint the rest with a broad brush? A Lefty asked for the list, and I produced it. Now you're too lazy to research for yourself and you've just made up your mind through your own cognitive dissonance? Cute. Go put me on ignore and find a safe space.

curious2 says

They want to think of themselves as the smart and well informed and credible people in the room, and every day the President proves he isn't Hitler, it drives them ever more crazy.

Exactly! We cry Liberal MSM hysteria because that's exactly what it fucking is!

Patrick,
Almost deleted your email.

Before one can start with a solution we need to realize the problem.

https://theoldspeakjournal.wordpress.com/2017/05/19/the-absurd-economics-of-7-5-billion-people-on-one-planet/

Maybe a couple of solutions.
STOP! Doing the same thing over & over.
Stop all the fucking & thinking that this planet has infinite resources,creating offspring that pump more heat into the environment,produce more trash & pollution that contaminates the planet's water,air & soil.
Stop creating $10,000 out of a $1,000 deposit.
Stop living an economic delusional theology that is based on fiat currency,the shit's not real.
Stop thinking that the status quo will continue forever.

It would be nice to have a list of ten direct things we could do to fix the any of our problems in a few days or weeks.
MAGA is probably not one of the ten.

Maybe we could just STOP!

How about cease & desist.
Bombing & killing innocent citizens of other countries.It might piss them off.
The military industrial complex.

Continue to look for easy answers in a FUBARed pretzel logic culture.

Quigley says

MSM hysteria

True though the MSM aren't really liberal: they're pushing Saudi wars and hijrah all the time. Some among their audience might like to call themselves liberal, just like President Obama said bombing Libya wasn't "hostilities." It's Orwellian. We can't honestly claim that bombing people does not constitute hostilities, and the 90% of the "liberal" media can't honestly call themselves liberal.