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People should treat each other well, not because of some fictitious afterlife or vengeful god, but because good just fucking works and evil just fucking fails. This is an empirical fact, indisputable and proved by literally millions of independent lines of evidence. It is a scientific fact.
You are not answering a question Dan, you are on Katy Perry's level here... "Like people should just get along because it works". Morality is subjective Dan, one person thinks murder is bad because he was raised to believe that, yet another man murders at a whim because his morality is different.
You are not answering a question Dan, you are on Katy Perry's level here... "Like people should just get along because it works". Morality is subjective Dan, one person thinks murder is bad because he was raised to believe that, yet another man murders at a whim because his morality is different.
Your ignorance is unbearable. Read a book. Read this book: The Moral Animal: Why We Are, the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology
You are not answering a question Dan, you are on Katy Perry's level here... "Like people should just get along because it works". Morality is subjective Dan, one person thinks murder is bad because he was raised to believe that, yet another man murders at a whim because his morality is different.
Your ignorance is unbearable. Read a book. Read this book: The Moral Animal: Why We Are, the Way We Are: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology
No Dan, it's your ignorance of reality around you that is just sad.
I think FortWayne would like your explanation of why people should treat each other well without religion.
People should treat each other well, not because of some fictitious afterlife or vengeful god, but because good just fucking works and evil just fucking fails. This is an empirical fact, indisputable and proved by literally millions of independent lines of evidence. It is a scientific fact.
People should treat each other well because it's just common sense, especially in a well educated civilized society. Cooperation with other humans leads to a better chance of survival.
If you need a religion to tell you what is common sense, fine, you must be stupid to begin with. Atheists can figure out the difference between right and wrong on their own. We don't need the threats of burning in hell forever to behave. As a matter of fact, Atheists don't consider the morals of religion to be good enough for them.
Here are some commandments God forgot.
Thou shall have no slaves
Thou shall treat women as equals
Thou shall treat all humans as equal
Thou shall be kind to animals
Thou shall not destroy the environment
Now we both know there is no such thing as common sense. Bad argument strategist.
If it was common than all atheists would act the part of your list, but they don't.
I think FortWayne would like your explanation of why people should treat each other well without religion.
People should treat each other well, not because of some fictitious afterlife or vengeful god, but because good just fucking works and evil just fucking fails. This is an empirical fact, indisputable and proved by literally millions of independent lines of evidence. It is a scientific fact.
People should treat each other well because it's just common sense, especially in a well educated civilized society. Cooperation with other humans leads to a better chance of survival.
If you need a religion to tell you what is common sense, fine, you must be stupid to begin with. Atheists can figure out the difference between right and wrong on their own. We don...
What you can do about Islamic terrorism
Jerk off to Islamic porn and clean it up with a burka.
FortWayne is a perfect example of how Christianity harms America. Do you really think we're better off with tens of millions of him running around instead of tens of millions of Sam Harris's? Intellect and knowledge matter in a modern republic. Ignorance, especially willful ignorance, is highly destructive to a republic.
There are over 320 million Americans. Do you really think that Trump and Hillary are the best candidates for president? They were both nominated because of the ignorance of the common voter. Knowledge matters. The ability to reason matters. Religion, in any form, is detrimental to thinking and results in Hillaries and Trumps gaining power and fucking things up.
Here are some commandments God forgot.
Thou shall have no slaves
Thou shall treat women as equals
Thou shall treat all humans as equal
Thou shall be kind to animals
Thou shall not destroy the environment
I think the Sikhs have all those.
Now we both know there is no such thing as common sense. Bad argument strategist.
If it was common than all atheists would act the part of your list, but they don't.
You do realize your God does not act on any part of my list.
Here are some commandments God forgot.
Thou shall have no slaves
Thou shall treat women as equals
Thou shall treat all humans as equal
Thou shall be kind to animals
Thou shall not destroy the environmentI think the Sikhs have all those.
I'm glad they do. However, the Sikhs follow a lot of pointless rules that you mentioned like not cutting hair, always carrying a knife, wearing a bangle.
I think Buddhists follow the above list, but they too have silly concepts of rebirth.
All these religions were created by man in a bygone era, and do not serve the needs of modern man.
You do realize your God does not act on any part of my list
If god wasn't part of anyones list, there would never be enough law enforcement to keep bad things from happening. You can't enforce morality without religion, morality is a personal choice dictated by benefits, not compassion.
I don't know. China seems to be a basically religion-free society that functions as well as any other.
I don't know. China seems to be a basically religion-free society that functions as well as any other.
Sweden functions in a very civilized manner. Whatever crime they have is due to the Muslims.
I don't know. China seems to be a basically religion-free society that functions as well as any other.
Patrick, I think that If you live in China, you wouldn't think of it that way. I been there, there is a lot of bondage. A lot of really poor people who are no more than indentured slaves to the elite. They work insane hours, they get paid very little, they have no hope for the future since communist government requires complete conviction to it's communist party. Not to mention pollution and one child policy. They have very few rights. Their government is successful and financially well off, but citizens below might as well be second class citizens.
It's really heart wrenching how poorly humans can treat other fellow humans, especially when profit motive is in play.
True, I would not put down China as a good example of how people ought to behave to each other.
I don't know. China seems to be a basically religion-free society that functions as well as any other.
Luxembourg - 60% non-religious population, murder rate less than 1 per 100 000 population. Boring as hell in a good way.
Sweden functions in a very civilized manner.
Sweden is an anti-hoe seeing culture.
The Swedes who want their freedom to boink, take the causeway to Copenhagen, Denmark.
Your post reminds me of the Copenhagen interpretation. If a hoe is in a closed motel room with Rin, and you are standing outside unable to observe the two, is the hoe in a superposition of boinked and unboinked states until you open the door? According to the Copenhagen interpretation, yes. This is why I'm a pilot-wave guy. I know Rin has boinked the hoe as soon as he could.
I'm quite certain the probability of the hoe being in the boinked state rapidly approaches one as time increases.
But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.
Since 2000 On US Soil:
8 murders by left-wing radicals, 53 murders by the right-wing radicals, and 95 murders by jihadist radicals
We can argue about how things are counted. Brietbart wants to push the number up by +10 for radical Islam because the beltway sniper attended a mosque once.
Fine. Add all these terrorist murders, combined, and compare to any other domestic social issue causing great harm to American society. That issue you choose is likely to overshadow the threat of terrorism in the US. 9/11 and the rise of high profile attacks across the world have overinflated the actual domestic threat of radical Islamic terror attacks in the US by many orders of magnitude. (The real issue is there is great current of anxiety in the world, mostly caused by economic anxiety, and actually "telling the truth" about the random acts of violence another human may inflict on you isn't really "helpful".)
If you are really interested in fighting the Islamic radicalism threat to the US you/we need to figure out an effective counter to internet based jihadi propaganda. It's responsible for 45% of the recent attacks on US soil as a root cause for radicalization and action. I think you will also find that that internet content is in no way comparable to mainstream Islam as practiced anywhere in the world. Funnily enough, that same internet, also responsible for rises in right-wing terror groups in the US too.
I would like to apply any solutions and tactics found, against all radical fringe ideologies with tendencies toward violence, whether they be: right, left, secular, or religious.
F* violent radicals of all types and beliefs.
Religious issues are resolved by Rin-Wah law.
See my treatise on the Closet Gay Orlando shooter...
https://patrick.net/1296234/2016-09-27-rin-s-truth-orlando-shooter-was-a-closet-gay-guy
The Orlando gunman was a repressed, Islamic closet gay guy.
If his father had died, when he was a boy and he'd been raised by me, we would have gotten drunk, attended Metallica concerts together, and f.ucked hoes around the world.
And then one day ... he realizes that instead of poking the likes of a Selma Hayek look-a-like, he'd rather do a male Chippendale's model, well, at that point, we'd part ways at the hotel, so that I go into my private quarters with a busty lingerie model, whereas he goes back to his suite with an Adonis type. I don't need anymore details than that. Really ... I don't want to know.
In the morning, we meet up for breakfast. He's happy and then realizes, he doesn't need to go on a killing spree to be content in life.
He can f.uck man hoes and I can f.uck, female hoes. All is well in the world.
Since 2000 On US Soil:
8 murders by left-wing radicals, 53 murders by the right-wing radicals, and 95 murders by jihadist radicalsWe can argue about how things are counted.
You seem to have forgotten 3,000 on 9/11.
likely to overshadow the threat of terrorism in the US.
Aside from undercounting by 97%, you assume past performance guarantees future results. The jihadis would kill 100x more if they could, and will if they can.
You omit also the chilling effects on western liberty, when blasphemy ("Islamophobia") gets prohibited and westerners have to give up western liberty for Islam. MIC mass surveillance might seem great to you, but should repel you. Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. Islam poses a worse threat than communism, and jihadis have already killed more Americans in America than Russia ever did.
8 murders by left-wing radicals, 53 murders by the right-wing radicals, and 95 murders by jihadist radicals
You are comparing crime with terrorism. Please compare apples with apples.
If you are really interested in fighting the Islamic radicalism threat to the US you/we need to figure out an effective counter to internet based jihadi propaganda. It's responsible for 45% of the recent attacks on US soil as a root cause for radicalization and action. I think you will also find that that internet content is in no way comparable to mainstream Islam as practiced anywhere in the world. Funnily enough, that same internet, also responsible for rises in right-wing terror groups in the US too.
We are interested in eliminating the threat the whole world faces from radical Islam. I like Trump's strategy of making the Muslims take the lead in going after radical Islamic terrorists.
Thank You Trump. You tell em.
Aside from undercounting by 97%, you assume past performance guarantees future results. The jihadis would kill 100x more if they could, and will if they can.
Just wait until they get their hands on a nuke or two. There are hundreds of nukes hidden away in Pakistan.
If you are really interested in fighting the Islamic radicalism threat to the US you/we need to figure out an effective counter to internet based jihadi propaganda. It's responsible for 45% of the recent attacks on US soil as a root cause for radicalization and action. I think you will also find that that internet content is in no way comparable to mainstream Islam as practiced anywhere in the world.
True, an acquaintance of the Manchester bomber (or was it a London bridge attacker? so many murders by Muslims lately it's hard to keep track) said that the guy was radicalized by watching YouTube videos of Musa Jibril, so YouTube does have blood on its hands for allowing incitement to terrorism.
Musa Jibril simply spouts the ISIS arguments, which is essentially identical to the official Saudi Wahhabi theology. So you're wrong that he's not comparable to "mainstream" Islam.
Musa Jibril simply spouts the [ISIL/Daesh] arguments, which is essentially identical to the official Saudi Wahhabi theology.
PM May is trying to use him as an excuse to increase government power to censor the Internet while continuing to empower and spread Islam. Britons should resent that. It reminds me of Democrats trying to use jihadi gun attacks as an excuse for gun control (disarming Christians), while deliberately omitting the fact the jihadis had bombs too. And of course the Democrats' nominee for VP, who deplored the "gun violence" at Ohio State, which consisted solely of a Police Officer shooting the jihadi refugee who had been in the process of running over and stabbing teenagers. Blaming the Internet (as Rew did above) is another way to deflect blame away from where it belongs: on the dead charlatan Mohamed and his hateful fraud of Islam. The problem is Islam itself, and western leaders' failure to denounce it, not a lack of censorship. Continuing to support KSA while also taking away western liberty is working for the wrong side.
Just wait until they get their hands on a nuke or two. There are hundreds of nukes hidden away in Pakistan.
This is the worst thing Nixon did, sadly. The Indians would have subdivided Pakistan into 3-5 little statelets, each barely able to function and neither wealthy nor strong enough to develop nukes.
Nixon gave Pakistan nukes?
Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.
Lol, Islam.
Nixon gave Pakistan nukes?
Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.
Lol, Islam.
Hey Pat, you may want to get yourself an anonymous account w/ a VPN, instead of your real name, when discussing Islam frankly.
And I'm not joking.
I have sources which have told me that American Hindus, who'd made even cursory statements about the religion of peace in public, were hounded by stalkers.
I think at this point there are millions of people starting to speak the truth about Islam.
I doubt I'm important enough to worry about.
It's only when almost no one will stand up and speak the truth that truth-tellers are in real danger. Like in pretty much every Islamic country.
Or you mean he prevented Pakistan from being subdivided? Actually, Pakistan subdivided itself, massacring about a million of their Muslim "brethren" in East Pakistan, now Bangladesh. Oh, and raping hundreds of thousands of women.
Yes, he prevented it from being subdivided and made too weak and poor to develop Nukes. Bangladesh wasn't enough, though it was a start. India could have had controlled puppets in 3-5 different statelets with lots of internal struggles. If one statelet got too powerful or stable, instigate a border war or fund the controlled opposition or bribe some generals to stage a coup.
We need Balochistan, Sindh, Punjab and maybe "Pashtu Assholia (NWFP)" to exist.
I think at this point there are millions of people starting to speak the truth about Islam.
I doubt I'm important enough to worry about.
It's only when almost no one will stand up and speak the truth that truth-tellers are in real danger. Like in pretty much every Islamic country.
Criticism precedes Change.
Executing anyone for criticizing Islam was probably the most brilliant approach used by Mohammad to ensure Islam remains in control of the masses. It has worked brilliantly so far, but now we are in the internet age. It's very difficult to control what is said on the internet. Every Muslim child, sooner or later, will be exposed to the truth about Islam and Mohammad. They will see the truth about Islam, start questioning the sharia laws, and many will dump Islam. The days of Islam as we know it are numbered.
My fear are the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.
the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.
It's a race against time.
One way or another, the west must persuade Muslims to give up Islam before Muslims acquire the capacity to impose Islam upon the west. Sadly, Nixon's deals have given KSA so much influence over western politicians that we might lose.
The current expedient of appeasing and bribing Muslims only makes Islam stronger, as President Jefferson warned. Containment and the MAD doctrine worked against atheist communists, but would not work against suicidal Muslims.
Executing anyone for criticizing Islam was probably the most brilliant approach used by Mohammad to ensure Islam remains in control of the masses. It has worked brilliantly so far, but now we are in the internet age.
Still, until I'm admitted to a top tier medical school, I need to remain anonymous.
Afterwards, Rin-Wah law will be revealed to the world as the correct path for men!
the spread of powerful weapons that Islamists are no doubt working day and night at acquiring.
It's a race against time.
One way or another, the west must persuade Muslims to give up Islam before Muslims acquire the capacity to impose Islam upon the west.
Just imagine.....The very country that harbored Osama Bin Laden and promotes terrorism, is the same country that has hidden away hundreds of nukes.
They tell us the nukes are safe, but all it takes is one of their radicals or a corrupt official to hand a nuke over to the terrorists, and it's a catastrophe for us.
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The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"
The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.
Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.
Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:
What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?
Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.
It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.
No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.
The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.
Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.
Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.
No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.
If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.
See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821
So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam
It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.
No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.
Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.
Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.
Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.
Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.
Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.
If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?
True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."
No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.
No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.
This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.
Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.
No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.
No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.
They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.
OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.
Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.
If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.
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