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If we stay in we are going to suffer immense collateral damage from two crises that the Germans will precipitate. First, there will be one in the eurozone. My friend Dr Savvas Savouri, chief economist at the leading investment business Toscafund, predicts a “detonation of devaluations around the periphery of the eurozone” in his latest briefing to clients. So incapable are non-eurozone countries such as Hungary, Romania or Poland of competing with the German-dictated economic model that devaluation and the instability that will bring are their only options. So anyone who thinks our staying in the EU is like buying a ticket to a place of permanent prosperity wants his or her head examined.

Worse for Britain, Dr Savouri predicts Germany’s economy “will not come off lightly”, not least because its clients and customers will find its goods suddenly more expensive. And when Germany starts to struggle, God help the rest of the EU: because when the German chequebook closes, economies it is shoring up – such as Greece’s – will be on their own. And Greece’s economy is one-eleventh the size of France’s, which is a basket-case, and cannot go on as it is.

Dr Savouri also points out that if we stay in the EU there will be huge costs for us from all this chaos, despite being out of the eurozone. “Having renewed our vows to remain in the EU 'through sickness and in health’ we will be required to contribute to funding the fiscal efforts being applied to our ever more sickly EU partners,” he writes. The costs will be huge, and once we have committed ourselves to remain we will be forced to join the communal effort to save ailing partners. He calls it “the EU’s version of a Rooseveltian New Deal.”

He also argues that such a wave of economic hardship will propel more impoverished Europeans across open borders into the UK: and don’t forget what Iain Duncan Smith disclosed last week, that Mr Cameron deleted a passage about controlling immigration from a speech he made because he was told it would upset the Germans. That is the reality of our relationship with the EU: if we choose to stay in, the Germans will ensure that we become ever more obedient to their policies – so stand by for their next project, Turkey’s admission to the EU, and all that would entail.

Reading this article I had another Flash of inspiration. What if the Syria Refugee influx is to prepare Germany's Europe for admitting Turkey into the EU?

Turks and Germans are traditional allies.

Tim Aurora says

Why is Germany or Europe your concern. I thought Trump does not want to be Globalist

Uh,who was the main antagonist of the past two World Wars? And the reason for it? Kolonies fur traurig Allemania, boo hooen.

This is about Neoliberal/Neo-Capitalist Globalism, all right.

Tim Aurora says

Sour Grapes for Great Britain. They are losing by quitting EU and now that their economy is suffering, they need to find a scapegoat.

Wrong! Fastest Growing Economy of the G7 in 2016, better than Germany, Italy or France (and US) who are also members:
https://www.ft.com/content/1666262a-e39e-11e6-8405-9e5580d6e5fb

Tim Aurora says

Nazis are gone and defeated.

Nazis are not gone, though their undefeated Muslim allies have stopped supporting them. When fascism comes back to Europe, it comes now wrapped in an Islamic flag.

Tim Aurora says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Uh,who was the main antagonist of the past two World Wars? And the reason for it? Kolonies fur traurig Allemania, boo hooen.

WWII is 70 years old and Nazis are gone and defeated. Cold War is still going on. Go back to Russia.

I'm pretty sure cold war is over, and we won. Democrats are just being idiots, clinging on to every little thing and blowing out of proportion in hopes to make Trump look bad, and themselves relevant.

Democrats are a worthless party these days, still spending all day long on pointless propaganda instead of helping America.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

By electing the Pretty Boy Old Lady Lover Administrator, instead of the Blonde de Gaulle, France may have contributed to the coming disaster.

i didn't understand why some people were disappointed in france's election. they're the french, they always have been / always will be. not a surprising result at all.

Tim Aurora says

Ah you must have missed how they are now attacking our democracy. Well it is never too late to read the old news

Oh no, I didn't miss it, any more than I missed that people still rant about Big Foot, Chemtrails, Zulu Magic working better than White Technology, and Vril-energy. They just don't have any evidence.

Tim Aurora says

Once again, an article from Trumps own Ambassador on his own channel . Read it and weep

And she thinks this because of What Evidence?

Also, when Saudi Arabia donated generously to Hillary, does that count as "interfering" with an election? How about Germany donating to the Clinton Foundation? Or endorsements from Merkel?

Finally, what regular comprehensive national security briefings did Haley receive as a State Governor?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

And she thinks this because of What Evidence?

What passes as evidence for you? Does Putin have to go on national television and say, "We did it?" Your own intelligence agencies not good enough?

You saying he lyin??
www.youtube.com/embed/cruh2p_Wh_4

You misinterpret Obama. He isn't lying. Russia, alone, didn't "hack", by which he means swing, the election.

The real question is, do you believe the NSA or not?

Russia is about to turn the light out on Western liberal democracies. She has her hand on the switch now.

Rew says

Russia is about to turn the light out on Western liberal democracies. She has her hand on the switch now.

Rew says

What passes as evidence for you? Does Putin have to go on national television and say, "We did it?" Your own intelligence agencies not good enough?

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/09/russian-interference-what-about-us-saudi-arabia

For decades, Saudi Arabia, the symbol of Islamic extremism, the promoter of all things obnoxious to Western civilization and American values, the country that provides billions of dollars to Islamic centres where hatred of the Kufaar (Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists) is preached, has had Western politicians dancing to its tunes.

To get elected to the UN Commission on the Status of Women, Saudi Arabia bullied EU governments to vote one of the most anti-female countries on Earth onto an organization meant to promote women’s rights.

The British government didn’t deny it had voted in favour of Saudi Arabia while Belgium also dodged the question, until its prime minister had to apologize to the Belgian parliament for giving into Saudi pressure and voting for their men to represent women globally.

As for the “feminist” Swedes, they had received a spanking from oil-rich Saudi Arabia when, in April 2015, Foreign Minister Margot Wallström pontificated to the Arab world about the rights of women, and faced a backlash from not just Saudi Arabia and its client Arab states, but also from Swedish corporations who were banned from doing business in the medieval kingdom.

This time, Wallström told reporters, “If there is one place where they [Saudi Arabia] ought to be — to learn something about women — it is in the commission on status of women.”

If American senators are looking for “foreign interference”, I suggest they first look in the mirror, and then at Washington.

And if that makes them uncomfortable, they should look for it in Riyadh, not just Moscow.

rando says

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/09/russian-interference-what-about-us-saudi-arabia

Which team do you play for? Which flag do you wave? I fully acknowledge my country has dirty tricks but that is typically in MY interest. MY tribe.

You can't spout "America First" ... "MAGA" at me and link that bull-shit. You are darn fucking right we do despicable things in dark places and dark ways. We dedicate 70 billion dollars of the federal budget to "black" purposes ... off the books.

Edit: ok, no one really knows the amount, 52 billion, another estimate ... whatever. It's unreported. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/black-budget/

Rew says

Which team do you play for? Which flag do you wave?

I've been wondering that about you, as you defend Islam and Gulf States that finance attacks against the USA, and you advocate acts of war against President Assad as the Islamic State does. I refrained from questioning your patriotism, but since you have chosen to cross that line, I'll ask. Do you wave the Islamic State flag? Do you wave the KSA flag, which proclaims "There is no God but Allah, Mohamed is his prophet?" Have you renounced America and Christianity and joined the other tribe?

Rew says

do you believe the NSA or not?

Not automatically:

"Lawmakers Renew Calls for James Clapper Perjury Charges"

DCI George "Slam Dunk" Tenet

Reality Winner might allegedly have leaked an internal memo, which might actually have more credibility than a political appointee testifying, but even that didn't accuse Americans of being involved and it didn't allege any change in the election results.

If you care about securing democracy rather than cursing and using 'scare words' like "She has her hand on the switch now," then you should demand every voter have a right to free ID and a paper ballot and NPVIC must be repealed or amended to count only votes from states that guarantee that security. Instead, you defend Islam and advocate spreading it here. Wave not your baseless outrage at Patrick, who defends our tribe, while you work for theirs.

I think I am beginning to understand the liberal mindset. They favor allowing millions of jihadi men from the most terror prone countries in the world in-without any vetting. i think they are beginning to see that this might lead to some consequences with all the rapes and terror attacks in Europe and some here stateside. of course being liberal their ivory tower exalted status cannot have them accept responsibility-so blame Russia for collapse of order and chaos in their countries. Then link Russia to trump and other conservatives-Hey prestos all their self created problems can be thrown at conservatives.

The only problem-the rest of the populace is not stupid as they believe them to be and see through their immature, childish actions. Their ego cannot take it and they act like trigglypuff.

I mean Russia got everything from Obama. They got Crimea, they pretty much dominate eatsern Europe, they had carte blanche in Syria and basically anything they wanted they took. then you had obama grovelling to medvedev -please tell Putin I have more flexibility after the election-please pretty please. of course Hillary under Obama gave 20% of US based uranium to Russia.

Why on earth would Putin want Trump?? Hillary would have been way better. Trump put a check in Syria and is now serosuly posturing in N korea.

sigh.

curious2 says

you advocate acts of war against President Assad as the Islamic State does

If I advocate them, it is inline with national defense objectives.

curious2 says

Instead, you defend Islam and advocate spreading it here.

You are fighting the terrorists on their terms. You play into their hands. Every since post 9-11 we have failed BADLY in our reactions to terrorism. You give them the cultural conflict they so desperately want. You spread the hate and opposition, against an entire religion and vast swaths of very different people, by complete misunderstanding and choosing to view Islam in a fundamentalist interpretation.

Islam is not the enemy. Hate, poverty, disunity is! Everywhere that can be sown is a loss to humanity. Everywhere people feel desperation and alone there will be killing and war.

Bannon, Miller, and you take too narrow a view of the causes of conflict. You also misidentify the enemy currently pointed at us. Terrorism will continue to be the snare and focus too many of us choose to focus on, while real threats to US dominance unseat us every place they can.

lostand confused says

-so blame Russia for collapse of order and chaos in their countries.

As the world economic conditions deteriorate, crime of all sorts will go up.

You pull from an old, but good, right wing playbook. Promise security for reductions of freedom. Point at threats from news, educated, and minorities. Historically it works. It is the stuff dictators are made of.

Rew says

Hate, poverty, disunity is!

Peace love and kumbayah will cure all-flowers and unicorns.Rew says

Every since post 9-11 we have failed BADLY in our reactions to terrorism. You give them the cultural conflict they so desperately want

Check your western priviledge. Islamic terrorism has been happening since a millenia. The Hindu Kush was literally the killing /murder of Hindu. Afghanistan, pakistan, kashmir were all Hindu/Buddhist areas-the savage Mohammedens slaughtered and killed and raped and forcibly converted everyone in their way. The sikhs came into existence to fight the advances of the Muslims and were a militant force that stopped the spread of islam. Good thing they didn't want to deal with them with peace love and flowers.

is there some Islam for libbies text floating around??

All the jihadis are openly saying they kill for Allah-they slit the throats of 70 year old nuns and claim it is for Allah while waving the severed heads and the left will still not accept it.

What is a jihadi to do??

Rew says

it is inline with national defense

No, it is contrary to our national defense, though it increases MIC budgets and serves KSA. Perhaps you were referring to Saudi national interests, in which case "stet".

Rew says

You play into their hands

No, you do that.

When Muslim Nazi SS agreed on the similarities between the two doctrines, and joined in murdering Jews and conquering Europe, you would have advised FDR to import and empower Nazis and celebrate Hitler, asking only that they renounce Blitzkrieg. Fortunately for liberal democracies everywhere, FDR had a somehat clearer view of America's national defense interests.

Rew says

poverty, disunity

How many times must this lie be disproved before you stop repeating it? I'll link yet again to empirical data and examples already linked on PatNet proving that among Muslims, wealth and education increase the risk of terrorism, and the other claims you listed are not even factors at all. The reason is obvious to anyone who reads what Islam says: wealth and education give Muslims more opportunities and the means to do what Islam motivates them to do.

Rew says

real threats to US

include hijrah, Islamization (Europe first, then elsewhere), and eventual Sharia. You presume, wrongly and contrary to evidence, that the fireworks of terror blind other people to the profoundly illiberal doctrine of Islam including especially the Wahhabi Islam that KSA spreads around the world. You mentioned "liberal democracies" as if you cared about protecting those. Muslim countries don't have "liberal democracies" because Islam is the real threat to liberalism, the Enlightenment, and us. KSA would not be in a position to threaten us, and Islam would not be nearly the threat that it is, but for Petrodollar baksheesh corrupting MIC policy.

lostand confused says

Peace love and kumbayah will cure all-flowers and unicorns.

Liberal democracy and national alliances do.

curious2 says

Saudi national interests

Choose, KSA or Iran. We started moves toward Iran under Obama (right move!) now we are back to KSA. What is it going to be? Plenty of hawkish sentiment in the halls of power right now want conflict with Iran. That's bad ju-ju.

curious2 says

wealth and education increase the risk of terrorism

Cherry picked and false. ANY other sources counter with: desperation and a belief violence is the only path left. Happy people don't suicide themselves into buildings. In general wealth leads to higher senses of wellbeing. Disaffected and isolated leadership is made of previously wealthy.

Search ANY other credible organizations and sources. You like your narrative though as it says the "thought" ... Islam itself, is the root of the problem. Not the case.

Current rise of domestic violence and civil conflict in US is attributed to what currently? Islam? Nope! Political dysfunction? Partly. Ohhhhh ... rising inequality? Ding ding ding!

curious2 says

Islam is the real threat to liberalism

The threat to liberal democracy is a willingness to trade its most dear principals out of the fear of the other. Look for anyone spreading fear of the poor or minorities. You will find deep and ugly undemocratic principals within them.

Your source rightly identifies these are current "risk factors". What else does that disaffected middle class youth share?

One of these is false and one is true:
a sense of opportunity and future prosperity
the internet

Rew says

Choose, KSA or Iran.

I choose neither. You choose Wahhabi KSA, whose flag proclaims, "There is no God but Allah, Mohamed is his Prophet."

Rew says

ANY other sources counter with

baseless opinion financed by KSA and contrary to observable evidence. They use words, not data. If poverty and disunity drove terror as you claim, then on 9/11 we would have been attacked by Haitians instead of Saudis.

Rew says

most dear principals

You can't even spell principles let alone hold them. If your "most dear principals" are those who advocate a totalitarian doctrine that commands the violent overthrow of our government and the imposition of Islamic bigotry via Sharia, then you speak for yourself, not me. Perhaps you were referring to your most dear principals in the House of Saud.

Once again,I've moved to Genius 2.0 after reading all of this thread.
That's what happens when one listens to those with absolute knowledge.

"HEY YOU TROLLS THE WORLD"

curious2 says

contrary to observable evidence.

Religious fanaticism is a favorable condition for terrorism to grow in. It is not a cause. If Islam itself is the issue, why is only the Sunni sectarian version of it most prone to violence? Why does it only flare up in the most destitute regions of the Islamic world?

Your absolutism is blinding you.

curious2 says

You can't even spell principles let alone hold them.

Oh touché. :)

curious2 says

Perhaps you were referring to your most dear principals in the House of Saud.

curious2 says

You choose Wahhabi KSA

I do not understand why you believe I'm a pro Saudi, nor can you pretend to know much of anything about me.

Here is some ammo that would be closer if you want to throw it back at me some day: I have far more ties with Iran than Saudi Arabia, currently. My father did live in Saudi Arabia for a time. I had a close family friend, my age growing up, who went to high school there. I have an uncle who finished a power project in KSA two years ago. Most of my current friends from the ME are Iranian, right now though. I have a few stray UAE and Lebanese friends as well.

You have a very single minded fixation against Islam but it's pretty narrow.

Edit: I have a long beard and believe the US government is going in the complete wrong direction. ;)

Rew says

What passes as evidence for you? Does Putin have to go on national television and say, "We did it?" Your own intelligence agencies not good enough?

Uhhhhhhh.....NO.

komputodo says

Uhhhhhhh.....NO.

Ok. So, conspiracy sites then? I'm not talking blind faith. You are right to have a good degree of distrust of current institutions, but 4 of 'em?

It's pretty easy really, the eventual choice, someday will be as described in Bannon's bible the 4th turning : either you still believe in the institutions or you descend into the abyss and fire to be reformed anew. Be careful, you may come back as a snail when the chaos is done. Karma and unpredictability.

Rew says

If Islam itself is the issue, why is only the Sunni sectarian version of it most prone to violence?

Both Shia and Sunni Muslims commit lethal violence in the name of Islam. Inside Khomeini's Islamic "Republic" of Iran, it's the law and thus not counted as terror. In Iraq, it's been both. Shia comprise less than 20% of all Muslims, so even if the percentages were identical you would expect them to commit less than 20% of Islamic violence. You might ask your Iranian friends why they left Khomeini's Islamic "Republic". Persians were better off Zoroastrian than Muslim, but even the Shah's Iran included Jews and other non-Muslims because of American protection. Today's Iranian government are well aware of KSA's goals, so Iranian officials try not to require a response from the Saudis' most lethal falcon (FKA the American Eagle) despite calling us "the Great Satan" and demanding "death to America."

Rew says

Why does [Islamic violence] only flare up in the most destitute regions of the Islamic world?

It doesn't. Ask the people of Paris, London, and New York whether their cities are the most destitute regions of the Islamic world. In countries where Muslims have more power, e.g. KSA and Iran, the violence consists of executing anyone who dares blaspheme or even question "the fundamentals of Islam." That tends to cow the populace into submission, which is the literal meaning and original purpose of Islam.

Rew says

Lebanese

Lebanon used to be a beautiful country, back when it was mostly Christian. Alas, Lebanese hospitality welcomed the carriers of the Islamic disaster that befell them, which is how Islam has tended to spread from its founding, when Mohamed fabricated it to enable hijrah and thus conquest. Now western Europe is making the same mistake; as Lebanese-American Nassim Taleb warned, "The West is currently in the process of committing suicide."

Rew says

Your absolutism is blinding you.

You have that precisely backwards. You should read more of what Islam says and what most Muslims believe. From KSA to Pakistan including Iran, Islam is not nice at all. Pointing desperately to apparent exceptions is like pointing to smokers who didn't die from smoking, or KKKlansmen who haven't lynched anyone yet, and calling anyone who denounces the KKK and the tobacco companies a narrow absolutist.

curious2 says

to apparent exceptions

Ah, so as stated, we have proven Islam is not the cause of terrorism as there are exceptions. Further, there are other non-Islamic terrorist organizations in the world.

Just as in smoking, so to in Islam, you do not guarantee "disease". It is a high factor though.

But what than is the primary factor, common to all terrorist movements? If you claim to want to fight it, and I read the passion of belief in your words, don't you think you owe it some questioning and thought?

curious2 says

Ask the people of Paris, London, and New York whether their cities are the most destitute regions of the Islamic world.

The target of violence is not the origin, correct?

curious2 says

KKKlansmen who haven't lynched anyone yet

Are they terrorists? Have they committed a crime?

You cannot extinguish dangerous thought by force of arms.

In fact, we enshrine and guarantee access to and fomentation of thought and expression, deemed dangerous or otherwise, in the USA.

Rew says

proven...not the cause of terrorism as there are exceptions.

That's like saying you've "proven" smoking doesn't cause cancer. Of course it does, and Islam causes lethal violence including terrorism and Sharia executions. Perhaps you should moonlight for the tobacco companies, they'd really appreciate your persistence contrary to evidence. Again, among Muslims, education and wealth increase the risk.

Rew says

The target of violence is not the origin, correct?

If you are suggesting that the rich Saudis who financed 9/11 and enabled it were "indigent," you're blinded by your absolutism. Even the suicide pilots were educated (including in Germany) and had western opportunities. It's hard to find many Muslim countries that aren't at least disadvantaged though, because Islam prevents Enlightenment liberalism, and thus the Muslim countries tend to be poor or even failed states.

Rew says

Are they terrorists? Have they committed a crime?

KKKlansmen were definitely terrorists at least as recently as the 1960s. The current generation share the same beliefs, even if their tactics have changed perhaps temporarily.

curious2 says

That's like saying you've "proven" smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Gene mutation causes cancer. Smoking CAN cause cancer but is not the absolute cause of it.

curious2 says

Again, among Muslims, education and wealth increase the risk.

Its a factor, but not sole cause.

But you are dismissing poverty's role entirely. Inequality and desperation due to oppression of civil liberties, probably very broad, but best at narrowing a "sole cause" if there can even be such a thing.

No denying fundamentalist Islam has bred a movement of the most absolute horrible group of terrorist in modern history. Islam as the blame solely? Nope. It won't be defeated by declaring war, denial, and violence against the ideas of the religion itself either.

curious2 says

KKKlansmen were definitely terrorists at least as recently as the 1960s. The current generation share the same beliefs, even if their tactics have changed perhaps temporarily.

Oh so not terrorists now? Gosh. Hmmm. Maybe we should think of that in light of how to deal with Islam.

curious2 says

If you are suggesting that the rich Saudis who financed 9/11 and enabled it were "indigent," you're blinded by your absolutism. Even the suicide pilots were educated (including in Germany) and had western opportunities.

The young men aiming AKs at us today sure are. That's because ISIS is not the AQ of old.

Recommend this one:
Inside Terrorism

Rew says

Recommend this one:

Inside Terrorism

Hoffman combines Muslim and non-Muslim terrorism. The data vary depending on religion. Among Muslims, wealth and education are risk factors that increase the risk of terrorism.

Rew says

you are dismissing poverty's role

Not at all. Among Muslims, poverty reduces the risk of terrorism.

Rew says

Gene mutation causes cancer. Smoking CAN cause cancer but is not the absolute cause of it.

Please go argue with the Surgeon General.

"Smoking is a leading cause of cancer and death from cancer. It causes cancers of the lung, esophagus, larynx, mouth, throat, kidney, bladder, liver, pancreas, stomach, cervix, colon, and rectum, as well as acute myeloid leukemia.

Smoking causes heart disease, stroke, aortic aneurysm (a balloon-like bulge in an artery in the chest), chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (chronic bronchitis and emphysema), diabetes, osteoporosis, rheumatoid arthritis, age-related macular degeneration, and cataracts, and worsens asthma symptoms in adults. Smokers are at higher risk of developing pneumonia, tuberculosis, and other airway infections (1-3). In addition, smoking causes inflammation and impairs immune function."

You are like a persistently misguided missile, advocating a government whose officials call us the Great Satan and chant "Death to America." Yet even there you are incoherent, because you support the KSA agenda in Syria, where Sunnis say openly they would annihilate the Shia. I am through wasting time on you this weekend, there are better things to do than SIWOTI with your false claims to have "proven" the opposite of documented empirical facts. “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” The two things you have proven are your enthusiasm for war and blood and your financial dependence on them.

As stated above, the argument was, Islam causes terrorism, and then further dissecting into poverty/affluence being a degree or influential sub-factor.

Since there are more causes of terrorism than Islam/religion, there is no homogenous belief set when someone says "Islam" (it is as imprecise and broad as saying Christianity), and terrorist groups arising from Islam do not share the same religious tenets from group to group, the argument falls flat.

It is typical that absolutists and those seeing the world in more black and white terms are typically the first into conflicts with one another, and also are typically conservative leaning.

curious2 says

The two thngs you have proven are your enthusiasm for war and blood and your financial dependence on them.

I think you have proven you continually discredit your arguments when you make completely baseless accusations about what a person believes, and certainly, where their pay comes from.

You have no idea how I make my living. Claiming you do proves you are a liar.

One has to wonder if your propensity to suppose what I know lends itself to your fear of Islam being based on what you yourself assume Muslim's believe.

The big problem with that, just like above with your assumptions about me, is you actually don't know.

lostand confused says

Why on earth would Putin want Trump?? Hillary would have been way better. Trump put a check in Syria and is now serosuly posturing in N korea.

So false. We had pushed for months to get Raqqa on a footing to go take, with our support, and when Trump got into office ... all momentum stopped. This allowed Assad/Putin to catch up to our forces and is exactly why we are having to knock opposition flying things, out of the sky, now. Their forces got into close deployment proximity to ours. They want Raqqa too, ya see.

Hillary? Girl wouldn't have missed a beat. Would have picked it right up from O and ran with it. High odds we would be in MUCH stronger conflict with Russia now, not in Syria, but overall. It would be smarter diplomatic conflict and world control based. It would not be this risky competing armies trying to claim the prize first "enemy of my enemy" business. This is some really high stakes for mistakes crap we have now. Not good!

Trump is a soft lady baby compared to Hillary, and perceived weakness is a very dangerous perception, for a resurgent Russia to have of us.

Rew says

So false. We had pushed for months to get Raqqa on a footing to go take, with our support, and when Trump got into office ... all momentum stopped. This allowed Assad/Putin to catch up to our forces and is exactly why we are having to knock opposition flying things, out of the sky, now. Their forces got into close deployment proximity to ours. They want Raqqa too, ya see.

Altrernative facts. What did we do there, draw a line and then when crossed nothing. Dear Lord

Rew says

Hillary? Girl wouldn't have missed a beat. Would have picked it right up from O and ran with it. High odds we would be in MUCH stronger conflict with Russia now, not in Syria, but overall. It would be smarter diplomatic conflict and world control based. It would not be this risky competing armies trying to claim the prize first "enemy of my enemy" business. This is some really high stakes for mistakes crap we have now. Not good!

Thanks for the laugh. What did O do-we lost Crimea, we gave away 20% of our uranium to Russia-under the bumling duo. Yeah leading from behind-we saw how that worked. Like seriously-LOL!! Please keep going exactly like this till 2020. I just have to wonder-is this just spin or true beleiver stuff??

Rew says

Trump is a soft lady baby compared to Hillary, and perceived weakness is a very dangerous perception, for a resurgent Russia to have of

Again keep going. O was the one who minimized the threat to Russia-he was grovelling like a pet pomeranian to medvedev saying thsi si his last election and after thta he has flexibility and please, please tell Daddy Putin that he will behave after the election.
Crimea became Putin's during O. Russia estabilshed a stronghold in Syria during O. O's only response and Hillary backed it-was supporting al queda types in syraia. Trump si the only one who saw the danger. Oh yeah it was O who called ISIS junior varsity.

Ah the left-again are you guys trolling or true beleievers ?/

Rew says

Liberal democracy and national alliances do.

LOL-liberal democracy and natioanla alliances-kumbayah, kumbayah!Rew says

The threat to liberal democracy is a willingness to trade its most dear principals out of the fear of the other. Look for anyone spreading fear of the poor or minorities. You will find deep and ugly undemocratic principals within them

The threat to liberal democracy is a willing ness to elt in millions and millions of young men from the msot dangerous places in the world-without vetting. The european poor, the vietnamese poor, the chinese poor, the asian indian quasi poor, come in work, build businesses. Who among them suicide bombs-Muslim immigrants.

The jihadi hordes come in-rapes, murders, blowups and a whole host of others. it is in their religion-die killing innocent women, children and men and go to heaven and get 72 virgins for life. Their mosques preach hate-history is ignored at your own peril. Obama will prove to be the dumbest president -but he and his European ilk did something very important-expose the leiftists liberals who favor free trade, globalism, importing millions and millions of people from all over the world-with no vetting and absolutely not caring about Americans . heartless to the plight of americans and rabid embrace of globalism and arguing that the world deserves better than Americans. if anyone dares question them-racist, sexist whateverist. Obama himself thought he was floating on cloud 9-as it appears are his followers.

Obama has done a great service in exposing the liberals as sick heartless people who don't care about their hopeless people-but more about ideals and thoughts and grand gestures and flaoting in cloud9. it has becoming so toxic that talking america 1st is now considered racist. I would say thank God for Obama-the stupid floating on could 9 bumbling fool