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Jihad: i am coming in to kill you infidels and rape your women
Liberal: Welcome in, welcome in we have to let you in to save liberal democracy
Jihadis: i am here and killing all of you
Liberal: russia, Russia

Thanks for the laugh!!

curious2 says

Subsidizing and spreading communism/Islam/KKK makes no sense ...

No it doesn't. I infer that you think the US government is subsidizing and spreading these ideologies? Fascinating.

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curious2 says

You seem to identify as liberal and call me conservative, but neither is true.

Do you think you quickly form and operate from stereotyped world views of people and ideas? Probably worth asking. I know I ask it of myself often.

Rew says

I infer that you think the US government is subsidizing and spreading these ideologies?

It is definitely spreading and subsidizing Islam, which poses more of a threat than communism, and is very similar to KKK and Nazi ideology (as the original Nazi leaders and Muslim leaders agreed, and 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS). So, subsidizing and spreading it makes no sense. Even worse, USA enables KSA to spread Wahhabi Islam, possibly the worst form of Islamic madness. BTW, on the subject of liberal democracies vs Muslims&Nazis:

"Freedom House publishes an annual report on Freedom in the World, which ranks 210 countries and territories on political rights and civil liberties on a scale of 1 (most free) to 7 (least free) and assigns a composite rating of “Free,” “Partly Free,” or “Not Free.”
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Of the 132 countries with 20 percent or less Muslim population, 62 percent are considered free and only 14 percent are deemed not free...Only four [of the 86] countries ranked “Free” have a Muslim population in excess of 20 percent."

In other words:
Muslims less than 20% of the population, 62% free
Muslims more than 20% of the population, 5% free
That dramatic disparity reflects what I consider the Weimar threshold: when the Nazis got to be more than 20% of the population, they achieved critical mass and took over.

Rew says

Do you think you quickly form and operate from stereotyped world views of people and ideas?

My opinion of Islam changed completely after reading more about it. I had previously fallen for the MSM hypnosis about KSA&Pakistan being supposedly allies (because the MIC used them against the USSR). I've learned since the many times American interests were betrayed and American policy subverted by KSA&Pakistan, including hiding OBL in Abbottabad among many other examples. They've illustrated John Quincy Adams' warnings, and the need for the Barbary Wars. In other words, you seem to have formed quickly a stereotyped view of people and what they believe based on an unrepresentative sample and MSM hypnosis; I remember holding a similar view, but then I read more and learned more including what Islam says and does, and what most Muslims believe even in the modern world e.g. British Muslims. (BTW, as of 2014, more British Muslims were serving in the Islamic State than in the British military.) If you check my comments you'll find links to surveys published by the Guardian, the Telegraph, CNN/ORC, Pew Research, etc.

You seem to know a few people and then operate from a stereotype of other people whom you've never met, and you reject data in order to maintain your preferred belief. Consider what you would call yourself if it were the reverse direction, e.g. if somebody Jewish did something bad to you and so you formed a bad opinion of all Jews, that would make you anti-semitic. You're pro-Islam in the same equally biased way only in the opposite direction. If you'd met a few well behaved Nazis or KKKlansmen, it seems like you'd be hunky dory with those ideologies too, even though they're as bad as Islam.

Rew says

Islam is not the enemy. Hate, poverty, disunity is!

Education and coming from a higher income family increases likelihood of being an Islamic extremist. This has been illustrated time and time again.

curious2 says

It is definitely spreading and subsidizing Islam

What sources show the America government is subsidizing and spreading Islam by direct intent?
Who is doing this: name/agency?

curious2 says

I've learned since the many times American interests were betrayed ...

I think you need to look carefully at American betrayals as well. This is not as one sided and clean as you make it. The degree of alliance between nations and people is the degree to which their interests overlap and align. The US will deal with 'bad actors' and people we do not agree with, provided it serves the perceived national interest of the time. We are egalitarian opportunists.

curious2 says

You're pro-Islam in the same equally biased way only in the opposite direction. If you'd met a few well behaved Nazis or KKKlansmen, it seems like you'd be hunky dory with those ideologies too, even though they're as bad as Islam.

If by Pro-Islam you mean I believe they have a right to speak, practice, and believe what they will, provided it doesn't infringe on others rights ... then yes, I am "Pro-Islam". I'm also therefore "Pro-everything". This doesn't make me a sympathizer, or a radical, this makes me very American, because as detestable as I find all modern day hate groups, I understand why they cannot be permanently expunged.

ISIS is atrocious but Islam and the majority of Muslims are not.

curious2 says

BTW, as of 2014, more British Muslims were serving in the Islamic State than in the British military.)

That's a pretty questionable stat. It's very difficult to measure and is used to inflame a reaction by the Orange man himself. Dubious. No one actually knows if that is true. (Also, to find out something like that, it seems you would need to have a less free and Western society in the UK.)

MMR says

Education and coming from a higher income family increases likelihood of being an Islamic extremist. This has been illustrated time and time again.

OMG! We better get the world poor and dumb fast! (Hint: you need a few more clarifiers there as "the great Satan" is in the details.)

Rew says

The degree of alliance between nations and people is the degree to which their interests overlap and align.

At last we agree on something. You should read more:

"As the essential principle of [Mohamed's] faith is the subjugation of others by the sword; it is only by force, that his false doctrines can be dispelled, and his power annihilated... The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God... The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force... Such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion."

The Wahhabis profess a life of exceeding austerity, and what they practice themselves they rigorously enforce on others. They hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children.

That might align with your interests, but it doesn't align with American interests. The only reason you've been enlisted to support Islam is because the MIC found Muslims useful in fighting the atheist communist USSR. You're still banging that drum, pushing the deep state's war in Syria. It is contrary to our interests, unless you're working for KSA.

Anyway, that's all the time we have tonight, feel free to raise up strawmen or whatever and have a nice weekend.

curious2 says

have a nice weekend.

You too. Catch ya later. Thanks for the exchange.

curious2 says

That might align with your interests, but it doesn't align with American interests. The only reason you've been enlisted to support Islam is because the MIC found Muslims useful in fighting the atheist communist USSR. You're still banging that drum, pushing the deep state's war in Syria. It is contrary to our interests, unless you're working for KSA.

Yes, we fundamentally disagree on who the bigger enemy is: Russia or Islam/ISIS. We also disagree on the degree to which Islam, the religion, is a security threat itself.

It is very likely, daily Intel briefings would tell us N. Korea is the predominant thing being focused on right now. So we would both be wrong ... for today.

I do maintain that the longer historical arc will not be an East/West Islam/Christianity clash of cultures but a Liberal Democracies vs Nationalist Tyrannies conflict.