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Quigley says

Leftists continue to lose in these days. Their ideology is revealed over and over to be 💩 and inconsistent drivel, their backers are proven to be craven grasping billionaires with aspirations of totalitarianism, and their "warriors" are found to be abjectly stupid criminals. It's a good day to be conservative!

First thought in the wake of tragedy: It's a good day to be conservative. Sad

errc says

You somehow missed the post that claimed "it's a good day to be a conservative."

I don't want to speak for Quigley, but he is also one person on a random internet messageboard.

Your statement said "I find it odd that Islamic Conservatives and Christian Conservatives both have the same reaction after a terror attack." Maybe you should rephrase your statement to only include Quigley?

errc says

First thought in the wake of tragedy: It's a good day to be conservative. Sad

First thought in the wake of tragedy: How can we distract from the Causes of Terror and stop Islamofauxbia?

Goran_K says

errc says

You somehow missed the post that claimed "it's a good day to be a conservative."

I don't want to speak for Quigley, but he is also one person on a random internet messageboard.

Your statement said "I find it odd that Islamic Conservatives and Christian Conservatives both have the same reaction after a terror attack." Maybe you should rephrase your statement to only include Quigley?

Turnabout is fair play. You condemn billions of Muslims over the acts of a few Muslims, so why do you take issue with applying the same rule to Christian Cons?

They are not complex and unpredictable creatures, rather simple and predictable. That's why everyone uses them like the crusty cum rag that they are, albeit, nice people.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

errc says

First thought in the wake of tragedy: It's a good day to be conservative. Sad

First thought in the wake of tragedy: How can we distract from the Causes of Terror and stop Islamofauxbia?

Maybe in your Augmented Reality, where life plays out on the Internet, but not in the real world. There's more than enough real world problems with fairly simple solutions, all within an arms reach, right here in our own backyard. But people are so driven by propaganda, and the lie that "that is too much to expect right now", or that "now is not the time for that, we must focus on things that most profit the MIC and Big Pharma first and foremost, even if its 1000's miles away in a world that I'm as likely to visit as Mars".

Go back to watching daytime Soap Operas, Nana

errc says

Turnabout is fair play. You condemn billions of Muslims over the acts of a few Muslims, so why do you take issue with applying the same rule to Christian Cons?

A few muslims? Try hundreds of millions. This data is from left leaning Pew Research.

So you're saying 100's of millions of Muslims have committed acts of terrorism?

You're a fucking liar 🤥

errc says

So you're saying 100's of millions of Muslims have committed acts of terrorism?

You're a fucking liar 🤥

They wouldn't be opposed to those acts under Sharia which is the real problem, the complete apathy, or even tacit support of terrorism from the Muslim community.

If the current trend in Terrorist attacks continues, the Candlelight vigil will be the primary cause of Global Warming.

Goran_K says

Pew Research.

is funded by the Pew Charitable Trusts, which began expressly conservative and religious, but became ostensibly non-partisan and non-ideological, or rather centrist.

errc says

You condemn billions of Muslims over the acts of a few Muslims, so why do you take issue with applying the same rule to Christian Cons?

There aren't billions of Muslims. There are over a billion people who call themselves Muslim, but many of them live in places where they would be killed if they didn't call themselves Muslim. And therein lies a very significant difference: Islam commands believers to kill apostates and other disbelievers, and basically everyone else. Nothing about being Christian or even conservative commands anything like that. You can find good and bad people anywhere, or at least you can find people doing good and bad things anywhere, and many of them point to some doctrine as a pretext for their actions. The difference with Islam is, it does actually say that, and in most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia.

errc says

So you're saying 100's of millions of Muslims have committed acts of terrorism?

He didn't say that. He said hundreds of millions of Muslims would support the legal execution of blasphemers (including atheists), apostates, etc. Muslims have a long track record of genocide against disbelievers, including the deliberate murder of more than 60 million so far. Consider the Armenian genocide in Turkey, and the slaughter of a million Hindus in Bangladesh, just to name two well documented examples from recent history. Mohamed has caused more damage than Hitler, the Koran is arguably worse than Mein Kampf, and 100k European Muslims joined the Nazi SS due expressly to the similarities of their doctrines. The Muslim Nazi SS earned a reputation for extreme brutality and lethality. Once they make it legal, it doesn't count as terrorism.

errc says

Turnabout is fair play. You condemn billions of Muslims over the acts of a few Muslims, so why do you take issue with applying the same rule to Christian Cons?

What's the ratio of dead Muslims from Islamofauxbia to Innocents killed by Islamic Terrorists? 1:10000?

Salafism/Wahabism is a legitimate, centuries old School of Muslim that is becoming more and more popular. If Methodism is "Real Christianity", then, by virtue of age, so is Salafism "real Islam" as the founders of the latter date back to the time of Wesley. In fact, Salafism means "Ancestors" and prides itself on being a "Return to Real Original Islam"

Please compare the number of European and American deaths by Christian Terror to that of Muslim Terror. Not even close.

I can't remember the last time Father Mayi or Praisegod Barebones shot up a Gay Bar.

zzyzzx says

If the current trend in Terrorist attacks continues, the Candlelight vigil will be the primary cause of Global Warming.

lol, ziiiiing

TwoScoopsMcGee says

What happened to second/third Gen Germans, Japanese, and Italians in WW2?

What is your point?

Please compare the number of European and American deaths by Christian Terror to that of Muslim Terror. Not even close.

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This is not Europe, this is America, not my problem until we get our own house affairs in order, why would anyone waste time with another continents problems?

More people die of opiod overdose in America over any 48 hours period, than the totality of Muslim terrorists deaths in our nations history. Now, if you're a thinking person, you can connect the dots...like most bad policy in this country, it's roots are in Christian Conservatism...like the War on Drugs. And the Christian Conservative State wages this heinous war against its own people to this very day, bigly.

Islam is going to need some time to catch up with Christian Conservatives and all the harm they cause this country.

Get our own house in order, and right the wrongs forced upon a once Great Nation and its once Free People, before you go sending my son off to war for MIC profits and European protection.

errc says

before you go sending my son off to war....

Congratulations - I didn't recall you having a son, so maybe that's new!

The issue is not so much the horrible things that Muslims do elsewhere, but rather the determination in some quarters to spread Islam here, so it can cause problems for your daughters and everyone else here.

Also, if you want to avoid getting killed by an opioid overdose, don't take opioids, even if a licensed pusher prescribes them. You can't say the same to a snackbar with a bomb, because they don't take no for an answer. As weapons continue to advance, today's jihadis killing 10 or 100 per attack will get replaced by tomorrow's jihadis killing 10,000 or 100,000 per attack. Technology advances, but human nature remains constant, and Islam continues to command what it commands. Western civilization can survive some number of persons self-destructing on an individual basis, but it cannot survive a large number of jihadis choosing to take as many as possible with them; ISIL/Daesh know that, but some here don't.

The most odious thing is that the MSM is pushing terror attacks as if it is some kind of natural disaster, like a Tornado.

curious2 says

Western civilization can survive some number of persons self-destructing on an individual basis, but it cannot survive a large number of jihadis choosing to take as many as possible with them; ISIL/Daesh know that, but some here don't.

Word up.

I am curious, how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

zzyzzx says

the Candlelight vigil

In addition to flower arrangements and Teddy bears.

FP says

how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

I'm curious what you mean, for example punishing people who:
1) advocate and finance a hijacking that kills 3,000 people, and pay to hide one of the organizers, even if they didn't fly themselves?
2) advocate and organize a genocide, even if some of them were not directly involved in personally murdering people?
3) say, "you must terrorize the enemies of Allah and kill the disbelievers," even if some of them did not personally go out and do that?
4) happen to be white, because you're mad about something some other white people did 200 years ago?

I've seen many ivory tower trustafarians endorse #4, but oppose #3, and that seems backwards to me.

curious2 says

I'm curious what you mean,

What I mean by what? You don't know what collective punishment means?

FP says

I am curious, how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

If it's the relatives or friends of a terrorist, who knew the person to be radicalized and/or planning an attack, then their homes should be demolished and they should go to prison for "Failure to Report Terrorism". With wives and parents not getting an exception.

This stops the "Palestinian helps his family by gaining cash/payments for them through his 'martyrdom'" problem.

FP says

I am curious, how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

No one is advocating collective punishment. We just want to stop immigration from countries that are very likely to bring in terrorists. That's not punishment, we don't owe them anything.

Collective punishment is what BLM demands be done to whites.

FortWayne says

We just want to stop immigration from countries that are very likely to bring in terrorists. That's not punishment, we don't owe them anything.

I agree with this more or less. However, this is not all that is being advocated here.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

With wives and parents not getting an exception.

Wives and parents who had nothing to do with the terrorist act?

FP says

What I mean by what? You don't know what collective punishment means?

Quit pretending other people are monkeys or too stupid to know what words mean. I listed four specific categories, the latter two exposing the backwards hypocrisy of too many ivory tower trustafarians. If you don't see how certain ivory tower policies punish people today on the basis of ethnicity, then you should look up collective punishment. If you don't see how a particular sect can share responsibility for advocating and committing genocides and other murders, then you should read more about collective action.

George, it was a simple question. Just answer it or shut up.

FP says

Wives and parents who had nothing to do with the terrorist act?

In its 2016 budget, the Palestinian Authority allocated approximately $140 million for payments to incarcerated and released prisoners and $175 million for payments to the families of “martyrs.” All together, these grisly rewards amount to roughly 7 percent of the authority's budget.

In 2014, in a cynical sleight of hand, the Palestinian Authority passed off the official responsibility of allocating these payments to the PLO. The funds, however, still originate from the Palestinian Authority's budget and are designated for the same purpose.

For its part, the United States provides approximately $400 million a year in economic assistance to the Palestinian territories, much of it in the form of grants and contracts for specific projects, such as water and sanitation; a portion is dedicated to directly supporting the Palestinian Authority's annual budget. Those direct payments are surely commingled with salaries to terrorists. But since money is fungible, any support the U.S. provides has the potential to free up funds elsewhere that can be used for this illegal purpose.

http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/12252144-74/palestinians-are-rewarding-terrorists

So you can see, the families of "Martyrs" get money, which is often superior to wages paid for most kinds of employment. There's a tremendous incentive to commit violence, and demolishing homes of terrorists' families is a great way to negate the benefit.

curious2 says

Just answer it

I did answer, and you don't add anything by calling me names. You don't even seem to realize that I answered, and that suggests cognitive dissonance on your part. You can read more about cognitive dissonance, and the hallucinations it causes, elsewhere.

Terrorists know that they can count on protection for their terror-supporting Islamic families, terror-supporting Islamic mosques, and terror-supporting Islamic communities from the mainstream press and from Western governments, and from their supporting cast of masturbatory self-congratulatory leftist virtue signallers.

Terrorists are perfectly free to kill at random, since they want to die, and the one thing that would stop them (expulsion of their families) is not even considered. Yet.

A British Muslim pointed out that expulsion for families of terrorists is the answer, right after the Manchester attack. He knows what he's talking about.

Belief in Islam (and therefore belief in sharia, the opposite of all Western values) should be a disqualification to even set foot in the civilized world to begin with.

Just FYI: It's perfectly legal to ban people for Ideology. The USG has banned Anarchists and Communists and others, and it has never been ruled unconstitutional.

rando says

A British Muslim pointed out that expulsion for families of terrorists is the answer, right after the Manchester attack. He knows what he's talking about.

Talking about families: Saddam "Dindonuffin" Hussein, for whom so many tears have been shed on this very board, paid sizeable chunks of money to the families of so-called "martyrs". Tens of millions per year in total.

anonymous says

We just want to stop immigration from countries that are very likely to bring in terrorists

No problem - they are already here so we better get a better handle on them and be proactive rather than reactive. When you do stop immigration

from said countries, fear not. Much like the border wall the bad guys will have innovated and done a "work around" converting WASP types for the future wave of assaults.

Maybe we should spend a bit more time on diffusing the ideology. Right now I suspect their resolve to continue despite setbacks is stronger than our resolve to effectively deal with the problem. Follow the money, oil and other tangibles....

The harder it is for them to get here, the less of them will get here. It's like a tax, the harder you make something, the less of it you'll get.

curious2 says

I did answer

No, you did not. I am just going to ignore you from now on.

So nobody here thinks collective punishment is immoral.

How about torture? Anybody here who does not approve of torture?

Hey, that's just like the war on drugs ! The harder they try to make it to get, people innovate and make meth labs. For everything else the price goes up as well as the killings. Win-Win for everyone !

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Not to mention ten times the suffering

FP says

So nobody here thinks....

You don't even read people's answers, and in any event you can't honestly assume what other people think if they don't bother answering you. We aren't your classroom, nor your assistants. You don't know what we think. You're merely being snarky, calling me a monkey again and trying to imply something about anyone whose answers you can't mock or who doesn't take your bait.

rando says

Terrorists know that they can count on protection for their terror-supporting Islamic families, terror-supporting Islamic mosques, and terror-supporting Islamic communities

I don't see anybody here calling for protection of terror-supporting entities.

rando says

A British Muslim pointed out that expulsion for families of terrorists is the answer, right after the Manchester attack. He knows what he's talking about.

Families - how extended? Expulsion where?
Exterminating all muslims will also solve the problem. Doesn't make it right.

rando says

Belief in Islam (and therefore belief in sharia, the opposite of all Western values) should be a disqualification to even set foot in the civilized world to begin with.

But many have already set foot.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

FP says

I am curious, how many people on this forum think that collective punishment is immoral?

If it's the relatives or friends of a terrorist, who knew the person to be radicalized and/or planning an attack, then their homes should be demolished and they should go to prison for "Failure to Report Terrorism". With wives and parents not getting an exception.

This stops the "Palestinian helps his family by gaining cash/payments for them through his 'martyrdom'" problem.

Here's the problem in the U.S., and all the Trumpcucks can learn something here, because y'all claim to want a return to "law & order". Although that seemed to get abandoned as quickly as any of the other promises like getting rid of Obamacare lmao.

The only way to protect our populace here at home is to abandon the Failed Losers War on Drugs. It is so costly and hasn't delivered as promised. Worst still, the State and their on the ground operatives (police, etc) lack the kind of solid information they used to find in abundance, when they were friends of the community, rather than the enemies they sign up to be, nowadays. The Christian Conservatives War on Drugs has caused so much terror domestically, and it's going to cost a lot more lives unnecessarily, if Islam finds its way to the U.S.

anonymous says

Hey, that's just like the war on drugs ! The harder they try to make it to get, people innovate and make meth labs. For everything else the price goes up as well as the killings. Win-Win for everyone !

While were on that tax thing - does that apply to an education as well ? Like in the public schools in - wait for it - wait for it - KANSAS and OKLAHOMA ! Some group of people and a state leader in each case sure made it more difficult - ooopps - that was cutting taxes and it still didn't work. Damn....

War on drugs reduced drugs and addictions by a lot.

And I have no idea about that Kansas thing, I don't live in Kansas nor give a damn about what they do there, not my state.

errc says

The Christian Conservatives War on Drugs has caused so much terror domestically, and it's going to cost a lot more lives unnecessarily, if Islam finds its way to the U.S.

Democrats advocated both policies; the war on drugs escalated during the Clinton administration, but candidate Trump campaigned saying let states decide what to do about cannabis. California voted essentially to legalize, so the problem comes from VP Pence and other establishment Republicans and Democrats. The distinguishing feature in 2016 in this context was the Democrats campaigned on celebrating and empowering and spreading Islam.