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steverbeaver says

What should a crowd of assholes expect when they surround a car, yell at the driver, and hit the car with rocks, sticks, and other objects?

Car wasn't surrounded. Driver wasn't yelled at. Sticks/rocks came after the assault with the vehicle itself. Total BS. There was only one car that rammed people that day.

steverbeaver says

The fact is simple: the police failed to disperse an unlawful assembly

Do you know what stage the demonstrations were at, at this time? There was a single side left on the street at this time, in slow victory marches to home or toward center to rally. The white supremacists were gone ... disband by the police already. That side had gone to their cars. They failed to be able to carry out their agenda for the day and had to go home early.

The sidewalks are moving up the street/hill, facing the oncoming car. All the people hit had no clue what happened as the people walking down the street, with the flow of traffic and the other two cars, were hit form behind as they walked in the road downward.

Here is the furthest up street video at earliest record point I can find. He starts clipping a few people at the top and people react. Watch.
www.youtube.com/embed/-8Koen-jR28

Here are 10 other cars in amongst the large glom of foot traffic. They didn't run anyone over. Even after being struck and screaming all around them ... the two vehicles which prevented bigger loss of life ... didn't budge. You think the driver of the Dodge was able to see those other cars that far down the street with the amount of people between him and the cars? (take a look at first video again)
www.youtube.com/embed/SQ-s3U38SpE

Finally ... this is about the best interlaced footage I can find from the angles shot.
www.youtube.com/embed/gAt-wK0o0Nc

Notice the car is clean and in good condition, except for front collision damage, until a few bats hit at the end. That car wasn't under attack, it was the attacker!

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Increasing numbers of nannies and housekeepers is a negative, not positive, indicator of a country's economy.

Two biggest factors in happiness for modern day couples: eating out and house keepers. :)

Will Rolling Stone have him on the Cover?

BTW, somewhat off-topic, did y'all hear about the Elder Tsarnaev brother's murder victims, prior to the bombing?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Will Rolling Stone have him on the Cover?

This a real cover? Don't pay attention to RS at all. If so that's not cool. And I get it, every magazine cover at its core is clickbait. RS did a distasteful cover if that's legit.

Yup all you showed was the muscle car moved again after being hit. And in another a van is shown. And like I said, it could have been recourse for being hit. Not all will sit there and take it... would you?

steverbeaver says

Not all will sit there and take it... would you?

Let me get this straight ... you think the driver was justified in killing a person and injuring 19 others, because his car was hit? Wow. Glad the DOJ won't. This guy is toast!

steverbeaver says

Yup all you showed was the muscle car moved again after being hit.

You need to watch the opening of first video. That's him coming down the street and beginning to clip people.

Oh hell yeah TwoScoops I want this driver on Rolling Stone now, at least for muh diversity.

I love it.

REW's number of post about London truck attack done by Muslim: 2

REW's number of post about possibly alt-right car attack: 68

Talk about biased and fake outrage.

The thing about selective editing is its just that. And if your life is in danger you will suspend those principals of yours and if you say otherwise you are a liar. I didn't condone any of this hate and violence. Be polite in the public space and don't force association is my rule. It's sad really because this is all about nothing. But there are machines that have programmed fervent opinion on both sides (imo the left moreso) to the point that facts don't matter so much any more... would you say that is an accurate observation?

Now, I know Rew means well. Like I said there is some mass programming gone on that is deep. Xer's been trained a certain way. I know a circle of leftists... very much group-think leading to virtue-signaling and witty remarks as social currency. It's a pattern I've observed. Maybe I'm inaccurate, but it is a pattern I have noticed. Most leftists I see mean well, but the outcome record is absolute, fucking shit. Their outlook is not realistic.

Goran_K says

Talk about biased and fake outrage.

I care much more deeply about right-wing terror in my own backyard. Yes. Biased? Yep!
FBI is aligned that way. Sorry!

Goran_K says

Talk about biased and fake outrage.

Also by that standard ... I assume your outrage is just around the corner then? ;)

Goran_K says

possibly alt-right car attack:

The alt-right is just 'white supremacist' now.

Here is James with his fasci laden shield.

There are now reports of multiple weapons caches around the town that were staged, and there appear to be white supremacists drawing firearms against people ... felonies:

There is an online campaign to find this guy right now.

Goran_K says

REW's number of post about London truck attack done my Muslim: 2

REW's number of post about possibly alt-right car attack: 68

Talk about biased

Trump's outrage o meter after London = 11.
Trump's outrage o meter after Charlottesville = 2.

Love it .

rando says

Rew says

... as he has much more grievance and disdain for the media, than he will ever show for white supremacists.

Which is "is proportionally more in line with the actual threat" as you yourself put it. The very tiny group of white supremacists is a far smaller threat to democracy than the MSM.

The MSM has been willfully distorting pretty much everything about Trump to suit their extremely partisan agenda.

One day maybe we will have objective journalism in America again, but we sure do not have it now.

When do you believe this started? Just this past year with the election of Trump?

Did you go through this century watching the news thinking "my I'm so informed what with all this pure, good information on the news!" Up until 2016 where magically they flipped a switch, and started working against you and Trump, preventing Making America Great Again?

The same news outlets owned by a few Oligarchs, were on your side through Bush and Obama, but now they're trying to trick you?

When you shout down anyone, you throw away the right to speak for yourself as well. You should be ashamed for even suggesting that anyone shout down and not listen to anyone else.

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Do you listen to what they have to say? I have and it has less than zero value. They have nothing to say, but if you listen to them, they are inciting violence and looking for a fight.

They do not talk about events caused by Muslims nearly as much or as long. They are hypocritcal.

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Not sure what news you are watching, whenever a Muslin carries out an attack, it's the only news on tv 24/7 for days. I know you guys are pining for more Domestic attacks to prove your narrative, but the reality is, they are pretty rare

steverbeaver says

The thing about selective editing is its just that. And if your life is in danger you will suspend those principals of yours and if you say otherwise you are a liar. I didn't condone any of this hate and violence. Be polite in the public space and don't force association is my rule. It's sad really because this is all about nothing. But there are machines that have programmed fervent opinion on both sides (imo the left moreso) to the point that facts don't matter so much any more... would you say that is an accurate observation?

I'd say it's not accurate at all. The left moreso? Then why is the left so fractured with differing ideas and opinions, while the right is all marching lockstep to the same message of anger, fear, and hate? They claim that their speech and ideas are being censored, but I'd make the largest wager of my life, that they don't have any ideas or anything to say! That's why they're confusion is playing out as anger and violence

https://news.vice.com/story/vice-news-tonight-full-episode-charlottesville-race-and-terror

steverbeaver says

Most leftists I see mean well, but the outcome record is absolute, fucking shit. Their outlook is not realistic.

I'm sorry, I didn't catch where you talk about the outcome record of the right. Like the greatest debt increase in history, 241 marines killed in Lebanon, S&L crisis, iran contra, 9/11, 2 unnecessary wars we are still fighting, the worst financial crash in 90 years, the greatest income inequity in 100 years, the brownbeck disaster in kansas. Like you said the outcome record is absolute fucking shit. People in glass houses should not throw stones.

errc says

Muslin carries out an attack, it's the only news on tv 24/7 for days.

That is true, but context is very different. If Islamists attack, media first try to hide that Muslims attacked, and then the description goes to "lone wolf", "not all Muslims" etc. If right-wingers attack, they are crucified instantly and it is all right-wingers, Trump is personally responsible for attack etc.

Should be the same in both cases.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The Mayor of Charlottesville declared the city a Center of Resistance back in February.

Again, the only people removing statues right now are ISIS and Politicians who identify with "The Resistance".

The original American Resistance led to this nations birth. What do you have against people resisting the fascist creep from the Oligarchy?

And what do you label the opposition? All the beta Trumpcucks that prefer to lay on their stomachs and get pegged by the Oligarchs?

drBu says

errc says

Muslin carries out an attack, it's the only news on tv 24/7 for days.

That is true, but context is very different. If Islamists attack, media first try to hide that Muslims attacked, and then the description goes to "lone wolf", "not all Muslims" etc. If right-wingers attack, they are crucified instantly and it is all right-wingers, Trump is personally responsible for attack etc.

Should be the same in both cases.

It's quite apparent to those of us watching from the sidelines, that the reaction is identical from "the other side ", when the shoe is on the other foot.

I'm probably unqualified to say, as I don't watch any corporate "Entertainment 'News'"

If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.

errc says

If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.

Something that I can agree 100% with.

errc says

It's quite apparent to those of us watching from the sidelines, that the reaction is identical from "the other side ", when the shoe is on the other foot.

Yes. Right will say that "the KKK lunatics are paid for by Soros", while left will say "not all Muslims" and cancel appearances of Dawkins because he is consistent and honest.

errc says

Not sure what news you are watching, whenever a Muslin carries out an attack, it's the only news on tv 24/7 for days. I know you guys are pining for more Domestic attacks to prove your narrative, but the reality is, they are pretty rare

And I know the left is pining for more truly far right attacks, but they are much more rare than Muslim attacks.

errc says

When do you believe this started? Just this past year with the election of Trump?

Did you go through this century watching the news thinking "my I'm so informed what with all this pure, good information on the news!" Up until 2016 where magically they flipped a switch, and started working against you and Trump, preventing Making America Great Again?

The same news outlets owned by a few Oligarchs, were on your side through Bush and Obama, but now they're trying to trick you?

Journalism has been going downhill for a long time now (Thanks, Google!) but it absolutely fell off a cliff when Trump got elected.

It's like they were at least pretending to be objective before, but since the election, all pretense has been dropped. The press is the anti-Trump hate machine now, and little else.

YesYNot says

Trump's outrage o meter after London = 11.

Trump's outrage o meter after Charlottesville = 2.

Love it .

You're ignoring context.

London was yet another Muslim attack on random innocent people going about their daily lives.

Charlottesville was a very rare far-right attack on an angry mob of leftists armed with baseball bats looking for a fight.

steverbeaver says

The thing about selective editing is its just that. And if your life is in danger you will suspend those principals of yours and if you say otherwise you are a liar. I didn't condone any of this hate and violence. Be polite in the public space and don't force association is my rule. It's sad really because this is all about nothing. But there are machines that have programmed fervent opinion on both sides (imo the left moreso) to the point that facts don't matter so much any more... would you say that is an accurate observation?

Thanks, a good civil post talking about reality.

Civility is the first thing, and it was sorely lacking in Charlottesville.

Rew says

There is an online campaign to find this guy right now.

Got a video with the context?

Did he just pull out a gun at random, or was he being threatened?

Yes, it was glaringly obvious in early 2016 that The Media had one goal to reach at any cost. Prevent a Sanders presidency.

They devoted most of their coverage to helping Trump, whenever they weren't working against Bernie.

The Media is just as happy with a Trump presidency then as they are now, it's an endless stream of click bait. They would have been equally as happy with Clinton. They knew that there was only ever one candidate who is a threat to the necrotic, nepotistic, Status Quo. And it definitely was never Trump. If you disagree, please explain how Trump is striking fear in their hearts. What does he threaten to the Oligarchy?

steverbeaver says

Now, I know Rew means well. Like I said there is some mass programming gone on that is deep. Xer's been trained a certain way. I know a circle of leftists... very much group-think leading to virtue-signaling and witty remarks as social currency. It's a pattern I've observed. Maybe I'm inaccurate, but it is a pattern I have noticed. Most leftists I see mean well, but the outcome record is absolute, fucking shit. Their outlook is not realistic.

Another excellent comment! Thank you!

1. Treats the other side with some understanding. Rew does mean well, but can't see past very deep prejudices to see that most people on the right also mean well.
2. "virtue-signaling and witty remarks as social currency" Yes! I see this all the time. The pattern is accurate.

rando says

You're ignoring context.

You are making excuses. Trump cared more about London, b/c there were Muslim's to blame. In Charlottesville, it was a bunch of people trying to MAGA in Donald's name making a mess of the city. The terrorist probably voted for Trump. Charlottesville happened in Trump's backyard, and he should have cared more. However, it was politically inconvenient for him to call it a terrorist act, so instead Trump chose to lash out a a black CEO who bailed on his advisory council.

rando says

steverbeaver says

The thing about selective editing is its just that. And if your life is in danger you will suspend those principals of yours and if you say otherwise you are a liar. I didn't condone any of this hate and violence. Be polite in the public space and don't force association is my rule. It's sad really because this is all about nothing. But there are machines that have programmed fervent opinion on both sides (imo the left moreso) to the point that facts don't matter so much any more... would you say that is an accurate observation?

Thanks, a good civil post talking about reality.

Civility is the first thing, and it was sorely lacking in Charlottesville.

It's hard to expect civility from a people under duress of attack.

How quickly you forget that the Right Wing government has been waging their uber SJW war against it's own people for decades.

What does a civil response to this most UnAmerican of acts, look like in your POV?

After decades of war, I'm surprised that the response isn't more violent. But then again, the violent right wing government is waging war against what have always been the most peaceful kind of people. Great, Freedom loving Americans

rando says

steverbeaver says

Now, I know Rew means well. Like I said there is some mass programming gone on that is deep. Xer's been trained a certain way. I know a circle of leftists... very much group-think leading to virtue-signaling and witty remarks as social currency. It's a pattern I've observed. Maybe I'm inaccurate, but it is a pattern I have noticed. Most leftists I see mean well, but the outcome record is absolute, fucking shit. Their outlook is not realistic.

Another excellent comment! Thank you!

1. Treats the other side with some understanding. Rew does mean well, but can't see past very deep prejudices to see that most people on the right also mean well.

2. "virtue-signaling and witty remarks as social currency" Yes! I see this all the time. The pattern is accurate.

What is it that people aren't understanding about the message coming from the right?

What ideas of theirs are being censored?

Why are you afraid to answer simple questions that may help others understand you better?

What are your fears, here?

Just checking. The driver is a Nazi lover?

errc says

What is it that people aren't understanding about the message coming from the right?

What ideas of theirs are being censored?

Why are you afraid to answer simple questions that may help others understand you better?

What are your fears, here?

People are deliberately misrepresenting ideas coming from the right. Just look at how James Damore is being portrayed, and then read what he really wrote.

Many ideas are being censored:
* All academic studies have shown that diversity lowers mutual trust and civic engagement.
* Globalization has caused great devastation to middle America.
* There is systemic discrimination against white men, deliberately excluding them from scholarships, univ. admissions, and jobs.
* The press presents only the left and never the right, since almost all journalists are leftists.

Not afraid to answer any questions.

My fear is exactly what James Damore wrote: we live in an ideological echo chamber, with public shaming and harsh economic consequences like firing for anyone who challenges even provably false ideas championed by the left.

rando says

* The press presents only the left and never the right, since almost all journalists are leftists.

That is true, however, most of the supposed "left" media is bloodthirsty while original leftists of 60's were anti-war. The only time they praise Trump is when Trump threatens to bomb some country.

Rew says

I care much more deeply about right-wing terror in my own backyard. Yes. Biased? Yep!

FBI is aligned that way. Sorry!

So let's do a quick search about Rew's outrage for home grown Muslim mass shooter Farouk Sayed within Rew's patnet post..

Quick search reveals.................. zero post by Rew.

Want to lie again?