patrick.net

That's not reporting a timeline of events of occurrence. It's simply an opinion piece from some low information religious blog. I got to paragraph three. Done there, because it ignores what occurred Friday night, which had no permit, and again ... Nazis beat people.

"Unite The Right" was never going to be, nor was it, a peaceful free speech expression.

ACLU has since changed some policy because of it. They will be more careful who they help win cases in court now. ;)

Dude, my mom talked to Sheriff Young the other day.

He found like this altar in the vacant lot behind the Wa-wa, and it was covered in this "Zoso" words, man. Zoso is like a Satanic Term, and he found this thing called a "Character Sheet" talkin' about this Level 9 Magic User named "Elgond the Half-Elf". There were broken beer bottles and a half-burned tape called Crazy Train/Bark at the Moon

No Dude!!! That was the guy who bit a bat, right?

Yeah, dude... listen dude... my teacher Ms. Dworkin, she told us like Nazis and Satan Worshipping Metal Heads, like gather to worship Stonewall Jackson statuettes when the moon is full and play like Dungeons and Dragons in shit --- but only in clearings surrounded by Oak Trees. You can tell if they're Satanic Nazis because they wear Polo Shirts and have badly combed hair.

No way, Man.

Yeah Man, it was like on Channel 3, the ABC Affiliate and they had a Nazi Cult expert tell us that since the President was elected, Nazis have gone up like 200000%. He said the only solution was to buy a lot of Tulips and check your kids' drawers for hidden Comic Books and Switchblades and shit. My Korean girlfriend told me it was probably because they leave the fans on at night, killing their brain cells. My mom thinks it's Duke Nuke 'Em.

Nah, Duke Nuke 'em Rocks, man.

Mass Hysteria/Moral Panic
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

By that, you've left yourself no real outs when the next right wing violence hits us ... man.

Laugh all you want man, but if you say "Bloody Inga 3x in the mirror", the Bitch of Buchenwald will appear. And NEVER use the Ouija board. it's the #1 Way Father Fuhrer converts people's souls to the Third Reich.

I told you, we dye our hair blue to repel the Nazi forces, they hate that. The Normies don't get it, and will have their soul sucked by Himmler the Half-Elven first.

Wow--when you've got to link to

"a journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of age"

to find a viewpoint that agrees with yours, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your own view.

And to answer your question--no I don't read this website.

joeyjojojunior says

Wow--when you've got to link to

"a journal about Bible prophecy and human depravity at the end of age"

to find a viewpoint that agrees with yours, perhaps you need to re-evaluate your own view.

And to answer your question--no I don't read this website.

Again, I didn't ask. Don't know who the post was written by but rather than troll back you might consider that facts are facts regardless of source. Perhaps you could learn something by expanding your horizon.

If you play "Wango Tango" in reverse, you can clearly hear:

Nazism's the Solution, Do it! Do it!

I read this. And I've listened to others defending Trump. The thing is I agree that there was a lot of truth to the things Trump said in his initial response. But at the same time it's obvious that he was trolling all those center left people when he didn't need to. It was a time for showing unity.

That is, if he had wanted to. Or if he knew how to.

It's 100% true there was violence on both (or many) sides. I believe there must have been people there against removing the statue that were not Nazis (white supremacists). But they probably weren't the ones on the right that came with riot gear and guns and clubs. There were people on both sides that came to fight. Just as there were surely people there that were protesting against the removal of the statues that weren't Nazis, there were surely plenty of local liberals that were there to protest against the white supremacists that were not Antifa people and not looking for violence.

It seems like fucking instigators of violence were brought in on both sides, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make.

Still, if Trump wasn't trying to cause division, his initial response should have been to emphasize that the white supremacy groups are wrong and he should have strongly denounced them. That should have been the enphasis - and the blame should have primarily been put there. In later comments he could then say that there are a lot of questions about Antifa and counter protesters and their role in the violence. This could be done in the form of questions that to the media could then continue to sort out. After all, a lot of people were actually there.

Why should it have it have been done that way ? Simply because the President can not be seen to in any way to be defensive towards white supremacy groups. Especially given the view that many objective people have of his intentionally and not so subtly appealing to racists in his campaign. This is a mess of Trumps making.

It needed to be done that way even regardless of the way many see Trump. Given a Nazi group and an anti Nazi group with violence on both sides (and yes others that aren't in either group), first and foremost the Nazis have to be denounced. This would be true, unless the Nazis were innocent of any of the violence. But of course that's not the case, in fact the only murder that occurred was on the side of the Nazis.

This isn't actually rocket science.

@marcus

First, I'm glad you read the link. It is one perspective. Yours is another perspective.

From my perspective you are overly critical of the president. There is plenty of other reasons to criticize Trump. His initial response was actually diplomatic and respectful and quite possibly crafted before all the basic facts were know by the president. An impartial observer would give him the benefit of the doubt.

Your specific criticism of what he didn't say, and the accusation that he was trying to cause division is both Monday morning quarterbacking and fails to recognize that by not denouncing any specific group, he actually goes further to promote unity by showing respect. Like it or not, the United States IS a place where people are free to hold and freely speak about all kinds of hateful and bigoted ideologies. There are people that hate Christians and can speak freely of their hate. There are people that hate gays and can do the same. There are people that hate men and can do the same. There are people that hate minorities and can do the same. There are people that hate Muslims and can do the same. There are people that hate Trump supporters and can do the same. The United States is not a hate free zone, and by not denouncing the hate groups (by name) the president was not condoning them or trolling the left, he was simply acknowledging that EVERY GROUP has a right to peaceful demonstration and NO GROUP has a right to violence.

Since there was violence on both sides, denouncing one side would seem..... a bit one sided.

The media is one sided enough, and the president was actually doing more to promote unity than any other voice I have heard.

Here are his remarks in full:

Thank you very much. As you know, this was a small press conference, but a very important one. And it was scheduled to talk about the great things that we're doing with the secretary on the veterans administration. And we will talk about that very much so in a little while. But I thought I should put out a comment as to what's going on in Charlottesville. So, again, I want to thank everybody for being here, in particular I want to thank our incredible veterans. And thank you, fellas. Let me shake your hand.

They're great people. Great people. But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, this has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, and we agree that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true affection-- really, I say this so strongly, true affection for each other. Our country is doing very well in so many ways. We have record -- just absolute record employment. We have unemployment the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country, Foxconn and car companies and so many others. They're coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country and great for the American worker.

We have so many incredible things happening in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad. I want to salute the great work of the state and local police in Virginia. Incredible people. Law enforcement, incredible people. And also the National Guard. They've really been working smart and working hard. They've been doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous support to the governor. He thanked me for that. And we are here to provide whatever other assistance is needed. We are ready, willing and able. Above all else, we must remember this truth: No matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our god.

We love our flag. We're proud of our country. We're proud of who we are, so we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we're doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally, we have to love each other.

So Marcus take away is, the Right should keep their mouths shut less they be accused of Trolling the Left. In which then justifies a Violent brutal beatdown.

Of course Marcus would admit that NOW, this is the Liberals talking point as of Sunday 8/20/2017.

The right said some shit so they deserve rocks heaved at their heads, and pissbottles thrown at them.

I see we're still defending the Neo-Nazi who plowed his car into a crowd of defenseless Americans. Interesting hill to die on

PeopleUnited says

Your specific criticism of what he didn't say, and the accusation that he was trying to cause division is both Monday morning quarterbacking and fails to recognize that by not denouncing any specific group, he actually goes further to promote unity by showing respect. Like it or not, the United States IS a place where people are free to hold and freely speak about all kinds of hateful and bigoted ideologies.

America is also a place where principled people have an obligation to speak out to denounce any and all hateful bigoted ideologies. Without radical ideologues, including patnets resident ideologues, trying to claim condemnation is repression of free speech.

Antifa is an anarchist group, a political philosophy. They oppose groups whose philosophies and policies they disagree with . An idiotic group in my opinion, but a political one. White supremacists are a racist group that celebrates regimes that committed genocide and enforced slavery who's only philosophy is hatred of non white races. Anyone conflating the two groups as equal is at best dishonest.

Denouncing violence by both groups is correct. Not denouncing a hate group who's member just ran down someone and killed them is not a show of respect, it is a failing of character. An especially egregious failing because white supremacists claim trump as their own.

Tenpoundbass says

So Marcus take away is

this:

marcus says

if Trump wasn't trying to cause division, his initial response should have been to emphasize that the white supremacy groups are wrong and he should have strongly denounced them. That should have been the enphasis - and the blame should have primarily been put there. In later comments he could then say that there are a lot of questions about Antifa and counter protesters and their role in the violence. This could be done in the form of questions that to the media could then continue to sort out. After all, a lot of people were actually there.

And the thing is, one of the simplest and most basic requirements of being President is that they should either know how to do this kind of thing, or that they should have people around him that could help them do it.

The guy is simply incompetent. Rather than intentionally trolling moderates and the left, it's more likely he was bringing his ego and emotions into a task where they don't belong. Any President should be far above such childishness.

He should retire and spend the rest of his life cheering on the nutcases. (no offense)