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Because nobody can do anything about that. Or nobody wants to do anything about that. One of those things.

Because they don't have to & there is nothing white trash can do about it.
It's called FREEDOM!
Why do Rep/Con/Nazis allow other Republicans to suck the govt. teat & get subsidies?
When will FOX call out all these socialist Republicans?

Blurtman says

While Chicago’s population is about one third black, in 2016, 80 percent of shooting victims were black, as were a large majority of shooting offenders.

Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.

Black society has been a complete failure. What are Black heroes like Obama, athletes, and other role models doing to change this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Shame on them.

Because it's somehow still the fault of white males.

Why aren't you protesting white racists? You never do. Why?

Strategist says

Blurtman says

While Chicago’s population is about one third black, in 2016, 80 percent of shooting victims were black, as were a large majority of shooting offenders.

Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.

Black society has been a complete failure. What are Black heroes like Obama, athletes, and other role models doing to change this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Shame on them.

Any time any black athlete or actor has come out and called out the black communities problems, they have been called Uncle Tom's by their respective communities.

1960 - 24% of blacks born out of wedlock
2015 - 72% of blacks born out of wedlock

Any questions?

Because then they'd have to blame themselves, hard.
Instead of blaming Whitey, easy.

White Racists don't make Blacks murder over Blacks over "Dissin' me, yo!"

Things Democrats won't address about the black population:

- single parent family rate
- drop out rates
- graduation rates
- violent crime demographics

Everything is "racism".

Blurtman says

Why aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?

Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life. If the exact same thing happened to cops who murdered people, there would be no protests whatsoever.

People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage. Why do you think criminals with badges should not be prosecuted like the rest of us? Why do you object to equality under the law? If a cop murdered your sleeping 9-year-old daughter and tried to frame your mother for that crime, wouldn't you want the courts to prosecute the murderer?

Dan8267 says

People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage.

It's an "outrage" that Democrats, celebrities and BLM pretend there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place.

Of all the problems facing the black community, being killed by a racist cop is very low on the totem pole.

Truly evil shit what the Democrats are doing with their celebrity fanboys stoking division for political gain.

socal2 says

there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place

There is an endemic case of cops murdering/beating/planting evidence, and getting away with either no penalty at all or just with a slap on the wrist. They do that to whites, blacks, Asians, and would do that to Martians if they somehow would show up on Earth. It is not a question of race, it is a question of police unions (supported, BTW, by Democrats in many localities) getting off their members by hiring million-dollar attorneys and pulling strings in political establishment.

Dan8267 says

Blurtman says

Why aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?

Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life.

I'm not going to argue the police brutality issue here. It does exist and it is a rather small percentage of cops. Does not make it right, so don't take it that way.

That said. I'm on my phone so it's a pain to quote but an earlier commenter did have it correct. The issue is a NEEDED police presence in many of these neighborhoods and therefor increased interaction with blacks. If police patrolled equally by race let's say as a percentage of US population, you literally couldn't go to many neighborhoods in Chicago.
Which most people won't go into now anyway.

The other issues I take, and I will try to remember to get you some evidence later tonight, is that most of these guys killing people in chicago are NOT caught and prosecuted. There's so many times I've read articles about the problems here in chicago and it gets swept under the rug by the community. The gangs have control. No one snitches on each other. I want to say it's something like 50% of black on black crime goes unsolved. There's literally probably seriel killers walking around in Chicago yet their own neighbor won't snitch on them even though they've likely seen them kill someone. It's rather sick.

Solid book for a history of Chicago course I took. Explains the black community in a rather different light. It's been a long time so I don't remember it that well but I remember the core thesis. Give it a read if you're interested in the inner workings of most major cities. And it's not about crime, more the social structure of groups. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/443213in.html

Black on black: no con, no shakedown, no secondary gain through crooked legal system, and no victimizing guilt trip on a more organized, civilized and productive social segment.

Without the parasitic reverse rent seeking, no motive to even address the issue.

Dan8267 says

Blurtman says

Why aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?

Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life. If the exact same thing happened to cops who murdered people, there would be no protests whatsoever.

People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage.

Dan, what you say is simply not believable. The outrage is based on race only. When you have Black on Black murders it's business as usual. When you have a White man, especially a White cop kill a Black person, he gets accused of being a racist murderer and all hell breaks lose . Most cops killing a Black person is not due to racism, it's due to self defense. But all the rioting that flares up is only due to racism.
For this nonsense to end, we need the Black heroes to forcefully oppose any rioting that takes place.

socal2 says

It's an "outrage" that Democrats, celebrities and BLM pretend there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place.

Whether or not a cop kills an innocent person because of racism is a secondary issue. The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.

All of these things are very serious issues. If you are more pissed off at people being outraged at this criminal behavior and the courts lack of prosecution than you are at the criminal behavior itself, I can only conclude that you are a bigot that likes innocent black people being murdered. There would be no other explanation for being upset at the outrage over the injustices rather than the injustices themselves.

No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?

socal2 says

Truly evil shit what the Democrats are doing with their celebrity fanboys stoking division for political gain.

You have a problem that politicians doing what they are suppose to do, protecting the public, may make them more popular with the public? Why aren't Republicans rallying to prosecute criminal cops and stopping them from murdering innocent people? You should get them to do that instead of bitching that the Democrats look better on this issue. This issue is a no-brainer. Murderers should be tried in an honest court. There is no other side to this issue.

And why aren't you bitching about Republicans waging a war on drugs for purely political reasons? The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican. That's committing a travesty of justice for political gain. Where is your outrage over that?

WookieMan says

It does exist and it is a rather small percentage of cops.

It may be less than 10% of cops who plant the evidence or commit assault or murder, but the vast majority of cops protect the criminal cops who do commit these acts, and that makes them criminals as well.

When a cop assaults an innocent person and another cop stands by, that second cop is just as guilty because he's mere presence makes it impossible for other citizens from stopping the criminal cop. Don't believe me? Try stopping a criminal cop from committing a crime and you'll see all the other cops pounce on you or shoot you for protecting the victim. They are all guilty.

The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, it would be utterly impossible for criminal cops to get away with their crimes. You'd constantly be hearing about cops arresting other cops for about six months. Then all these crimes would stop and then the protests would also stop.

There is absolutely no excuse for tolerating crimes from those with the authority to enforce laws. Even the assholes who don't give a damn about the victims of police crime should not tolerate such criminal cops because those cops endanger the life of other cops by making vigilantism against cops a reality.

WookieMan says

The issue is a NEEDED police presence in many of these neighborhoods and therefor increased interaction with blacks.

True, that explains much of the problem. However, the police often view the people in those neighborhoods as the enemy, and they dehumanize them. A police department that acts like an occupying army is going to commit atrocities and the public is going to react either with protest or vigilantism.

That said, there are plenty of documented instances of the police going after "niggers". That cannot be whitewashed.

Strategist says

Dan, what you say is simply not believable. The outrage is based on race only.

Prove that assertion. I have every reason to believe it's bogus.

Strategist says

When you have Black on Black murders it's business as usual. When you have a White man, especially a White cop kill a Black person, he gets accused of being a racist murderer and all hell breaks lose .

Show me one instance where a non-police black man who committed a murder caught on video was not even prosecuted for the crime. This has never, ever happened. In order for you statement to be true, not only would this have had to happen frequently, but the public would have to have no outrage over it. What you are describing is not the real world.

If cops who murdered, assaulted, planted evidence, and committed other crimes were prosecuted like any other criminal, there would be abso-fucking-lutely zero outrage. The outrage stems from the complete disregard of justice and human rights by the courts. The outrage is amply justified. If a cop murdered your daughter and was not even made to stand trial, you'd be damn pissed off. You'd be grabbing your gun to kill that cop and get street justice. Now imagine if the innocent people in your neighborhood were killed by cops for 50 years and never prosecuted. You'd be calling for armed revolution, and rightfully so.

Strategist says

But all the rioting that flares up is only due to racism.

The rioting is besides the issue. Rioting is almost always young people using an opportunity to steal and vandalize. It has nothing to do with the very legitimate outrage that a grandmother has when her granddaughter is murdered in cold blood and she is framed for the murder by the cop who did the killing and then that cop does not even stand trial. That grandmother isn't rioting. Fuck the rioters. Let them be prosecuted as they always are. But prosecute the damn criminal cops for their crimes.

Dan8267 says

The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice.

Which cops haven't been prosecuted? Virtually every major cop shooting that has made the news resulted in investigations and prosecutions. Many of these cops were tried and found not guilty by juries or Obama's Department of Justice like the famous Ferguson shooting where we found out the whole "Hands Up - Don't Shoot" was a lie.

Dan8267 says

And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often.

More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.

Dan8267 says

No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?

Of course - but this is not a race issue.

Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country? You give the truly bad cops a pass because you make it about race which is a lie, and people like me will defend against the false charges.

Dan8267 says

The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican.

See - more Democrat race-baiting bullshit. Many of the leaders of minority communities that were devastated by crack epidemic were begging for cops to police their neighborhoods to try and get the gang-bangers off the streets who were killing everyone. Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.

socal2 says

Which cops haven't been prosecuted?

Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court, Holley is seen falling to the ground after trying to hurdle a police squad car. He's then surrounded by at least five officers, some who appear to kick and hit his head, abdomen and legs.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-blomberg-ex-houston-police-officer-acquitted-of-beating-teen-suspect/


Video:www.9pc5Dh3Oz4o

Notice that in court the cop who kicked the crap out of the teen said that he was restraining him. This is absolute horseshit - see the video, stomping and kicking a person who is on the ground is not "restraining". If you omit the BS part of the article (that cops are raycist and white, despite the fact that at least one of them is Hispanic), then the rest is actually pretty damning to the current system. None of the cops did any time for something that me or you would be locked away for years.

drBu says

Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court,

I am unfamiliar with this case, but the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.

I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.

Again, I am not disputing that there are some bad cops. Nor am I disputing that there are racist cops. I think the vast majority of the cops are doing the right thing and doing a largely thankless job that can be dangerous. It's wrong to claim there is a sizable chunk of bad/racist cops where we need nationwide protests, riots, and fucking up the NFL and getting Trump involved.

socal2 says

the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.

I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.

The cop was acquitted because police union hired THE most expensive lawyer in Houston. This is just one of many cases of similar behavior I have seen in SE Texas. It is a systemic problem when police unions provide "protection" to their members no matter what they have done. Even a clear video showing that police beats up the person is not enough for a conviction. This is not racism by any stretch of imagination - I know of one Russian guy who was beaten senseless by police a while ago after traffic stop, and a substantial number of cops here in SE TX are Hispanic - problem is the general impunity with which cops operate.

socal2 says

Which cops haven't been prosecuted?

Practically all of them including the one that murdered a sleeping 9-year-old girl and then tried to frame her grandmother. I have documented countless examples. Feel free to spend hours reading my previous threads on these examples.

socal2 says

More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.

WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.

There is a deep problem in the United States with criminal cops and the militarization of the police. Only a fool would disagree with that. Every other western nation has a far lower fatality rate, and the statistics prove that the high rate of murder by police is NOT a function of crime or violent crime or danger. Crime and violent crime has been plummeting since the mid-1990s. Meanwhile, the criminal cop murder rate has been going up.

The attitude that no cop can do any wrong no matter who he kills or why is a large part of the problem.

socal2 says

Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country?

The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans. The conservative right is pure fucking evil. They are the ones who torture, turn citizens into political prisoners, treat our soldiers like cannon fodder, and target innocent civilians in war. Republicans are pure evil.

The Democrats today and ever since Nixon's Southern Strategy have been the far lesser of the two evils. Anyone who does not admit that is evil.

Furthermore, race is certainly a component of criminal cops who murder and assault. To deny or whitewash that is a lie. The Democrats aren't making this about race. The criminal cops are making this about race by targeting blacks.

There have been countless times that the police have been caught red handed in targeting minorities for false arrest, violence, and planting evidence. Usually they get away even if the evidence is beyond doubt. Here's an example when they did not get away, mainly because the judge was black. The cops were caught on video stating they were going to hunt for blacks and plant evidence, and then they brutally assaulted an innocent old man.
www.XrXdLvGCRIQ

Additionally, police department have illegal quotas to target minorities regardless of whether or not they are criminals. Here are actual cops blowing the whistle. Of course, these are minority cops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK35y9-dTuw
And occasionally a cop pulls over the wrong person with the intent to make a false arrest. By sheer bad luck, a criminal cop intending to arrest an innocent black woman pulls over one that is a state attorney. You can hear the fear in this criminal cop's voice as he unconvincingly tries to back off after he realizes that he tried to frame a powerful state attorney with connection. He lies like crazy once caught, but she's not buying it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chicago+police+target+black+driver
So don't tell me that racism has nothing to do with criminal cop behavior. It's not the whole story, maybe even not the majority, but it's damn significant and undeniable.

In any case, no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated. Those who enforce the law must obey it. To use the power of the state to commit a crime makes the crime a hundred times worse.

socal2 says

Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.

This is a straw man argument. I never said anything remotely like that. However, cops frequently plant false evidence including crack on their victims. Such criminal cops should never see the light of day again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWXVDiEjzU
Now give me one reason why any of these crimes should be tolerated.

Dan8267 says

Practically all of them

Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?

Dan8267 says

WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.

I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.

Dan8267 says

The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans.

The Southern Democrat party certainly was racist and evil. The Democrats are the party of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.

Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.

Dan8267 says

socal2 says

More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.

WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.

If it's all about bad cops and not race, Whites, Asians, Brown and Martians would all be victims. So why are just the Blacks kicking up such a fuss and rioting, and not the other groups?

socal2 says

Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?

Yes. I'd be shocked if even 0.1% were prosecuted. Criminal behavior including violent assault and planting of false evidence is damn common. Prosecution almost never heard of.

But hey, prove me wrong.

socal2 says

But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom.

Your statement is meaningless. Exactly how are you measuring how much crime by cops is due directly or indirectly to racism? How much would be acceptable to you? How much would it take for you to not ignore the racial component or to acknowledge the validity of including race as part of the discussion of the problem?

The bottom line is that no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated and race is a significant aspect of that criminal behavior. Statistics proves this beyond any doubt whatsoever. You might not be able to prove if an individual incident is racially motivated, but statistics ensures that you can precisely measure the factor of race in the aggregate, and it's damn significant.

In any case, tolerating violence against minorities only increases the chance that violence will be used wrongfully against you and your family. First they came for the socialists... The only way to protect your rights is to protect everybody else's.

socal2 says

Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.

Your statement is entirely incorrect. The American South has always been evil and they ditched the Democratic Party because they were racist and wanted to continue racism when Kennedy and Johnson were promoting civil rights. On behalf of Nixon, the entire Republican Party started courting racists. The pre-1960s Democratic Party was not the cause of the racism of the American South, it was the effect. Today's Republican Party is also the effect of the racism of the American South. All the non-racists were kicked out of the Republican Party and became Democrats. You don't get to rewrite history. This is very well documented and the more you spread lies about the history of the two parties, the more opportunities I have to expose those lies.

socal2 says

I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.

I think these are separate issues. (1) Police and criminal justice system are deeply unfair, stacked against poor people no matter what their race is, and lets criminal cops off the hook. Provided that blacks are more poor, they get railroaded by justice system more often than others. (2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause if BLM was against police unaccountability and brutality. As it looks now, BLM etc is here to provide political opportunities for their leaders.

drBu says

(2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause

This is entirely my point.

This whole BLM nonsense has given many bad cops a pass.

I still don't think our criminal justice system is systemically corrupt........let alone racist. Many of the towns where unarmed blacks were shot were in towns that had minorities in the majority of the City Councils, minorities as mayors and police chiefs.

Dan8267 says

The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.

Think about that logic. As long as we successfully prosecute people who put Plutonium-239 in our drinking water, we should be complacent. Most rational folks would not hesitate to prevent the toxic isotope from being put in our drinking supply to begin with.

You are implying that as long as police who violate the rights of African Americans are prosecuted, then the outrageous murder rates in inner city black communities are to be tolerated, and not to be the focus of black athlete PR campaigns.

Why aren't black NFL players speaking out about the ridiculous out of wedlock birth rate in the black community? Or the outrageous obesity rates in the female black community?

The players seem to place the perception of being treated with respect above all else. What a pathetic and bankrupt way to operate.

The Democrats have run Most of the worst inner cities in America for at least half a century.

Baltimore
Chicago
Detroit
Philadelphia
Newark

Not just a bare majority. In most of these places you'd be hard pressed to find elected Republican. Near total control. The Democrats own the inner city and everything that happens there.