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Rew says

I'd argue today that most African nations still have quite a ways to go in both removal of foreign interest, and their timelines of 'development' essentially being reset.

Without the foreign influence, they’d still be chucking spears and sacrificing newborns to Kali while living in mud huts and putting bones in their noses.
If that’s progress, it’s too slow. They didn’t have the Luxury of being able to be tribals for another three thousand years. Throughout history, more competitive organisms displaced less competitive organisms. It’s Darwinian and harsh, but it’s Nature.

I’d argue that culture is the best predictor of progress. Theirs was adapted to their environment, but that very adaptive trait made it perfectly stagnant. No change means no progress means eventually the culture must die. The Europeans had a kick ass culture developed over hundreds of years that was the reason they overcame every other civilization they encountered. Advanced technology was a product of the culture, not an innate trait of Europeans themselves.

Culture is still the most defining trait of any civilization or ethnic group. It determines how successful its members will be. Not successful? Probably not because of oppressive Europeans. It’s because your culture SUCKS and can’t compete with a better one.

Multiculturalism is a naked attempt to say that all cultures are equal, but historical evidence CLEARLY shows that they are anything but equal.

anon_2d50f says

Something that always gets totally ignored. A fortunate combination of domesticable crops, domesticable animals, temperate climate, vast mineral resources, fertile land, and deciduous forests. that didn't exist anywhere except Europe until the discovery of America

And America was already inhabited! Millions of American Indians lived here and had their own civilization. They didn’t progress despite having ridiculous amounts of resources. Once again, you are wrong. CULTURE is the reason! It’s always the reason!

Quigley says

And America was already inhabited! Millions of American Indians lived here and had their own civilization. They didn’t progress despite having ridiculous amounts of resources. Once again, you are wrong. CULTURE is the reason! It’s always the reason!

What civilization didn't they have? There were quite a number of advanced civilizations in the Americas in the pre columbian era. Europe wasn't all that advanced in the 15th century either. European culture is 35,000 years old. The Americas is only 13,000 years old. How advanced was Europe 22,000 years ago despite having ridiculous amounts of resources?

bob2356 says

European culture is 35,000 years old.

Don’t confuse race with culture. The fact that you made this statement means you have no idea what culture even is.

Quigley says

bob2356 says

European culture is 35,000 years old.

Don’t confuse race with culture. The fact that you made this statement means you have no idea what culture even is.

Europe isn't a race. There were many races in europe dating back to Palaeolithic times. Races like nordic, alpine, dinaric, hither asiatic, east baltic were all part of middle Palaeolithic and subsequent cultures.

Want to tell me what culture is and why everyone except you calls it pre historic cultures then?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synoptic_table_of_the_principal_old_world_prehistoric_cultures

They sound like the left wing these days, aka Democratic party.

bob2356 says

Want to tell me what culture is and why everyone except you calls it pre historic cultures then?

Culture is the set of traditions and values a society uses to shape the preferred actions of its citizens. These are subject to change, and change occurs every generation to some extent. Religion usually plays a HUGE part in shaping culture, and European culture was greatly shaped by religion. Religion acts as a force for cultural stagnation, keeping culture from changing radically from generation to generation. Each time a new religion is adopted, it transforms a culture drastically. Clearly, the change of religion (to Christianity) in Europe shaped the various cultures of the region and served as the common denominator between the nations of Europe. So probably the traditions of that religion contain the elements of cultural transformation. It’s really the only thing they all had in common.

Clearly, the resultant European cultures had little to nothing to do with “ancient cultures from 35,000 years ago.” Sheesh!

Rew says

lostand confused says

Japan was bombed

Why did the US and allies put reconstruction of Germany and Japan as a primary goal post WWII? Why didn't we treat them like Germany post WWI?
What did we do to rebuild them? And how is their WWII occupation and reconstruction different from the dawn of post-colonial African nations from the 40s to 60s?

If you can answer those questions, you can understand how asinine it is to compare Japan's post WWII state, with African post colonial states.

Vietnam is a closer compare, but not by much.

In the old days the loser would get plundered, pillaged, raped, and enslaved. We now have a better way....Remove the dictators, emperors, and kings, give them democracy, help them rebuild, and their will be peace and prosperity for all. Everyone benefits.
We tried that with Iraq, but did not work there, because of Islam.

How about the Chinese occupation of Vietnam over the ages?
The Islamic Conquest of India (and North Africa, and Syria, Israel, Lebanon...)
The Mongol Conquest of Siberia and Eastern Europe?

In any case, culture has real effects. If you believe that worship of agriculture is the epitome of a good society, you'll disassemble Zheng He's ships. You'll burn whatever is left of the Library of Alexandria because if it's in the Quran, it's superfluous; if it contradicts the Quran, heretical.

Ironically, the real boom in science 700-1000 was because the Greek speaking not-yet-converted Egyptians had the crushing burden of the Byzantine-Persian wars removed from them. As Turks and Mongols began invading the Muslim World, Islam turned on science and skepticism in favor of obscurantism and a re-devotion to hardcore religious belief, starting with a huge "crescent-sade" to Islamize the remaining Hellenized Eastern Med. A few centuries later, the Europeans would begin to privilege science and reason (which started with failing in love with Latin and Greek writings, ironically brought to Italy when the Orthodox Greeks fled intolerant Muslim Arab demanding conversion, and the fall of Byzantium by the Turks) over religion and superstition, and thus the superior European culture choice began to create dividends.

There was no reason China couldn't have conquered the world in 1400, it didn't do so not because Chinese are nice, but arrogant. They felt they lived in the middle country, the most central under heaven, and barbarians should come to them with presents. When the Europeans arrived in the 1700s and 1800s, the Chinese dealt with them the same way they dealt with Turkics... it didn't work, because the Europeans "came from the Southern Ocean" and didn't have to schlep through the arid plains of Xichang province.

A culture who believes Heavy Infantry should come to grips with the enemy as soon as possible, tends to win battles against Flower Warriors who are looking for prisoners to sacrifice, in order to gain promotion and reknown when the prisoners are sacrificed to the blood hungry sun.

Quigley says

Culture is the set of traditions and values a society uses to shape the preferred actions of its citizens.

Then you are agreeing by your own definition that there were a number of advanced cultures in the america's pre columbus.

Quigley says

Clearly, the resultant European cultures had little to nothing to do with “ancient cultures from 35,000 years ago.

So you think the stone age (especially the neolithic period when agriculture, social, and technological development came about) leading to the copper age leading to the bronze age leading to the iron age leading to written records leading to classical antiquity had little or nothing to do with the development of modern European culture? What a bizarre thought.

Little difference between that and what happened in Africa since we all came from African back then! Agriculture, flint knapping, bronze working and even iron working were all common to every continent (except the americas) long before colonial times. The Africans were like the townies who never left to see the wide world, and got stuck in the same rut their ancestors were in for countless centuries. Anyone who left a small town for the big city will relate. You come back “home” and everyone seems so quaint and backwards it’s almost laughable.

Rhymes with White Eyes taking Native Americans' land.

They could only work the softest metals, no Bronze or Iron. They didn't have sea going vessels, something the Old World had for 1000s of years already (taking a canoe to the beach != sea going vessel)

Aztec culture was violent and brutal and oppressive. The Triple Alliance fought "Flower Wars" to gather prisoners and rip out their still beating hearts to satisfy their Great Feathery Lizard. They demanded tribute from conquered people, which is how Cortez ended up with thousands of Aztec-oppressor hating Indians fighting by him.

They didn't even employ the wheel, FFS

HEY YOU says

Rhymes with White Eyes taking Native Americans' land.

Learn from history. Restrict immigration.

LEFT : "Ha, ha, Middle America Bigots, you're afraid of millions of immigrant Aliens. Muh Juuuubbbbsss! LOL, dumbasses. Also, you should feel bad and personally responsible for dispossessing the Indians when millions of Whites immigrated to the continent." ?!?!?!?!

Also LEFT: "Fuckin' Israel, give the land back to the Palestinians. Fuckin' America and Fuckin' Europeans, you better invite Africans, Mid Easterners, and South Americans by the Millions!"

Shit you'll never hear Lefties say: "If Trump wins I'm moving to Venezuela or Angola" It's always Canada or Japan, homogenous countries with very little "Diversity".

LOL. ROFL.
Booger, can you post more of this shit? It was awesome.

And Yes, there is a strategy of distributing the land when you take it from the white people:
You will have to first Fuck your way through all the Black people.

Booger says

"General Shithole" has a nice ring to it.

Comments 59, 60, 61.

Strategist says

Comments 59, 60, 61.

There is a reason why I love stupid people. They are so funny.