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Bitcoin and Crypto-currency


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2017 Nov 5, 3:36pm   106,088 views  521 comments

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Hi guys,

I'd like to start a conversation on crypto-currency, particularly Bitcoin.

What do you all think about it from an investment point of view today? I have some buddies in the finance world who are quite bullish on it and claim we are just scratching the surface. Judging by the recent performance, they may be right.

For people who are investing in Bitcoin, what are you using to invest and what recommendations do you have for a new investor?

Also, how are gains taxed compared to typical stock market gains?

I read this week that over 100,000 merchants in the USA are accepting Bitcoin today.

At the same time, digital currency does scare me a bit as it seems so abstract. Curious what PatNet thinks.

Thanks guys!

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250   Evan F.   2018 Aug 14, 10:49am  

I made $40k on Litecoin, got out in January when things were insanely overheated. Taxes will knock that down to $20k. The hype is over, if you're mining or looking for a huge flip your wasting your time.
251   MrMagic   2019 Jan 3, 9:16am  

DASKAA says
It's a BUYING OPPORTUNITY!!!!


Still think so? Are you buying the dip?

What a difference a year makes. It was $17K this time a year ago.




Anyone still holding their BTC, hoping for miracles?
252   Ceffer   2019 Jan 3, 9:28am  

What goes up must wind up fucking you in the ass.
253   MrMagic   2019 Jan 3, 11:11am  

Ceffer says
What goes up must wind up fucking you in the ass.


Wait, is that a Dan reference?
254   RWSGFY   2019 Jan 3, 12:19pm  

MrMagic says
DASKAA says
It's a BUYING OPPORTUNITY!!!!


Still think so? Are you buying the dip?


No, I'm too dumb to understand the great technology.
255   quincybatten   2019 May 20, 10:41pm  

For those who don’t know, the blockchain ledger is upheld and propagated by nodes, which are user machines that hold a copy of the current valid Bitcoin blockchain ledger. These nodes all work together to uphold the decentralized blockchain that we’ve come to love. Nodes receive new transactions from users’ wallets, have miners validate them, then receive mined blocks from miners to add to its ledger. The nodes then also immediately propagate these validated blocks out to other nodes across the Bitcoin network.

http://net-informations.com/q/mis/block.html
256   RWSGFY   2019 May 21, 7:39am  

quincybatten says
For those who don’t know, the blockchain ledger is upheld and propagated by nodes, which are user machines that hold a copy of the current valid Bitcoin blockchain ledger. These nodes all work together to uphold the decentralized blockchain that we’ve come to love. Nodes receive new transactions from users’ wallets, have miners validate them, then receive mined blocks from miners to add to its ledger. The nodes then also immediately propagate these validated blocks out to other nodes across the Bitcoin network.

http://net-informations.com/q/mis/block.html


And this is what makes that shit so fucking slow.
257   Onvacation   2019 May 25, 11:57am  

Can anyone tell me what makes a unique string of zeros and ones intrinsically valuable? The only value left in US dollars is the faith and credit of the US government which is 20T in debt.

Bitcoin will go to infinity dollars when dollars go to zero. Until then let the fiat scam continue.
258   qroproton   2019 May 25, 12:10pm  

Hugolas_Madurez says
And this is what makes that shit so fucking slow.


Not so fast, I witnessed in real time how 600MD were transferred in 10 minutes.
259   Patrick   2019 May 25, 12:56pm  

Onvacation says
Can anyone tell me what makes a unique string of zeros and ones intrinsically valuable? The only value left in US dollars is the faith and credit of the US government which is 20T in debt.

Bitcoin will go to infinity dollars when dollars go to zero. Until then let the fiat scam continue.


Sure, what makes dollars valuable is that the US government demands that taxes be paid in dollars.

Dollars will never go to zero as long as men with guns can show up at your door if you fail to come up with enough dollars to pay your taxes.

There's a good anecdote about how the British had a hard time getting East African herders to obediently work for them until the British demanded that taxes be paid in British currency. The only way to get that was to work for British colonialists. Problem solved.

We are all the slaves of the Federal Reserve.
260   HeadSet   2019 May 25, 2:27pm  

Sure, what makes dollars valuable is that the US government demands that taxes be paid in dollars.

Plus, government benefits and remits for goods and services are paid in dollars.
261   RWSGFY   2019 May 25, 7:27pm  

0ba4 says
Hugolas_Madurez says
And this is what makes that shit so fucking slow.


Not so fast, I witnessed in real time how 600MD were transferred in 10 minutes.


600 Macedonian Denars in 10 minutes? This is supposed to be impressive somehow?
262   BayArea   2019 May 26, 7:24am  

3-5% of my portfolio will continue to be crypto.
263   Eric Holder   2019 May 27, 9:38pm  

Newbie123 says
That was an epic buying opportunity, no? Well, Yes.... for me :)


Yawn: there's always somebody coming out of the woodwork after shit goes up to claim he "loaded up" when the shit was down.
264   WookieMan   2019 May 28, 5:09am  

Eric Holder says
Newbie123 says
That was an epic buying opportunity, no? Well, Yes.... for me :)


Yawn: there's always somebody coming out of the woodwork after shit goes up to claim he "loaded up" when the shit was down.


Yup. And I'm sure he didn't buy any when it was $15k or higher either.... just non-stop great picks... never loses.

What I never get with the coin pumpers is, just show us your account or transactions you've made to show your track record. I thought one of the pros of bitcoin and others was the "safety" and "security" of it. There should be no way anyone could take it if you show us the account. I mean, I've never, ever heard of crypto coins ever being stolen...
265   EmilyKlark   2019 May 28, 5:56am  

spam
266   Onvacation   2019 May 28, 10:17am  

Newbie123 says
Big Daddy and the Alt's go parabolic.
Onvacation says
Can anyone tell me what makes a unique string of zeros and ones intrinsically valuable?
267   joshuatrio   2019 May 28, 11:51am  

Anyone think it's going parabolic again? With BTC back at $8700, it could be ramping up to run again... or dump. Temping to buy a couple coins.
268   WookieMan   2019 May 28, 12:55pm  

joshuatrio says
Anyone think it's going parabolic again? With BTC back at $8700, it could be ramping up to run again... or dump. Temping to buy a couple coins.


I don't claim to know it at all. And I'm cool with people that can make money off of it. If you can do it. There's not one person though that can give you actual advice that seriously knows what they're talking about. Play with fun money, but anyone telling you it's gonna do this or that is just throwing darts, blindfolded, trying to hit a dime from 30' away after spinning for 5 minutes.
269   Onvacation   2019 Jun 1, 8:12am  

Newbie123 says

Hell yes its going parabolic

Can you tell me why a string of zeros and ones has any intrinsic value?
270   Eric Holder   2019 Jun 1, 8:40pm  

Newbie123 says
...mainstream will buy in when big daddy hits 10k. CNBC and Co. will cover it non stop.


... and then it will crash again, the sheep will be fleeced again, rinse, repeat....
271   CBOEtrader   2019 Jun 1, 8:56pm  

Newbie123 says
Eric Holder says
Newbie123 says
...mainstream will buy in when big daddy hits 10k. CNBC and Co. will cover it non stop.


... and then it will crash again, the sheep will be fleeced again, rinse, repeat....


crash....a retracement..... a correction....a buying opportunity! even if you would have bought at the last peak (19.9k) it will look cheap when Big Daddy reaches a 100k.


For anyone paying attention, we haven't been above 10k in Bitcoin for a while. I'm probably gonna wait and see if it breaks through 10k to buy into a trend, may wait till it sets a new high.

As an investment, my sources tell me ripple (sp?) is the way to go, w all the instant currency exchange infrastructure they are building.
272   Onvacation   2019 Jun 2, 11:27am  

Newbie123 says

Why dont you ask google for the intrinsic value of BTC?

All it has is the extrinsic value of a software constrained supply and "greater fool" demand.

Blockchain has uses but bitcoin is a fools game. There will be winners, but a lot more losers.
273   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 3, 6:26am  

Newbie123 says
You let us make a killing


Sure. You go right ahead, buddy.
274   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 8:07am  

Newbie123 says
How about this: You let us make a killing with Bitcoin and we let you make up excuses not to buy the best performing asset in 2019, deal?


There are better performing options out their chief. You've got Bitcoin blindness going on. ANYONE, ANYTIME can make up a crypto currency. I could create ASSMONEY tomorrow and rip everyone off and it will all be stored on my digital wallet/spreadsheet. You have to understand you're being played by people that are substantially smarter than you.
275   Onvacation   2019 Jun 3, 10:29am  

Newbie123 says
Bitcoin is barely in the first inning. This bull cycle will be epic.

Do you consider bitcoin an asset or a currency?
276   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 1:43pm  

Newbie123 says
In 2019 bitcoin has been the best performing asset class. You said there are better ones out there. Any backup? .... Thought so.


What are you talking about? Are you investing or trading? From the start of 2018 until now I could find thousands of stocks that outperformed your precious bitty. Are you being serious?

If you're talking short term, you're trading it and it's not an investment. You claim it's going to 50k with no supporting evidence. You do understand why everyone here would think you're just a pump and dumper, right?

While the politics here can go sideways, there's actually some smart people here that have made good picks and have given reasons why. You can say 50k as much as you want, doesn't mean it will happen. I do wish you luck, just know you're "investing" in Big Foot.
277   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 1:54pm  

Newbie123 says
That’s what I thought. Because there isn’t a better performing asset class in 2019 than bitcoin:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.coincodex.com/article/3641/bitcoin-is-the-best-performing-asset-class-of-2019/


Cool. Seems like a neutral source that would totally investigate all other asset classes. I'm sure they don't get any revenue from the fact bitcoin exists. Is this a fucking joke?
278   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jun 3, 3:54pm  

In my opinion it is a giant pyramid scheme that shouldn't be legal. Will not touch any made up currency backed by nothing. Even Warren Buffet stated that it's worth nothing due to no backing.

I never expected this thing to balloon, I don't know why it has ballooned to whatever it did. But I am 100%, in my own mind, confident that it will eventually crash and god help those who are holding the empty bag.
279   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 3, 4:16pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
In my opinion it is a giant pyramid scheme that shouldn't be legal. Will not touch any made up currency backed by nothing. Even Warren Buffet stated that it's worth nothing due to no backing.

I never expected this thing to balloon, I don't know why it has ballooned to whatever it did. But I am 100%, in my own mind, confident that it will eventually crash and god help those who are holding the empty bag.


Look at the chart: it already followed a classic bubble pattern to a t TWICE.
280   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 3, 4:21pm  

Newbie123 says
What would you do if it hits 100k per coin?


Shrug my shoulders and marvel at human stupidity.
281   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jun 3, 4:36pm  

Not care at all, or pity that idiot who put in 100k so that someone else could take it.

Newbie123 says
What would you do if it hits 100k per coin?
282   Onvacation   2019 Jun 3, 4:59pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
pity that idiot who put in 100k

Bitcoin, like every ponzi scheme, requires ever greater fools to buy in so that the early adopters may profit.

Bitcoin is backed by nothing. There is no thing that you could hold in your hands. It is not an asset and it is a poor currency. It is virtually nothing but zeros and ones held on multiple storage devices.
Blockchain does have uses but "big daddy" bitcoin is nothing but a speculative gamble as the smarter players of btc on this forum have readily admitted.

Are there any other programmers on here that thinks bitcoin is an asset or a useful currency? Because that is what it is advertised as.

No one has answered the question:
Onvacation says
Can you tell me why a string of zeros and ones has any intrinsic value?
283   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 3, 5:19pm  

Onvacation says
Bitcoin, like every ponzi scheme, requires ever greater fools to buy in so that the early adopters may profit.


Hence all this FOMO-stoking droning of all the fanboi starting once the memory of the last crash is somewhat faded and the shit perks up a bit again.
284   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 5:29pm  

Newbie123 says
You said there are others that performed better. We are still waiting. :)


You understand real estate is an asset class, right? There's probably 20,000 investors in California (and 100k country wide) that have flipped homes they bought in December of 2018 and are just closing now that have made 3-5x their money. Again, is this a joke? Bitcoin is far, far away from being the best performing asset class in 2019. This for sure is a bit at this point.
285   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 3, 5:59pm  

Newbie123 says
Yep, RE is included on the graph/comparison.


Comparison-shmaparison.... SHOW US YOUR FUCKING BITCOIN TRADES!
286   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 6:07pm  

Newbie123 says
I knew you had to make something up and wouldn’t provide any backup/link.


Have fun with the bit. And yes there are probably easily 100,000 people worldwide, since the start of the year that have made 3-5x on a flip. I don't promote flipping, but you're naive to think bitcoin is doing better than other assets on a per capita basis. There are not 100k people that have had 3-5x return since the start of the year and if they bought at the beginning of 2018 they're broke likely. Unlike you I don't trust realtor.com for my real estate news like you do with your crypto crap.

And for fucks sake, Apple or Google could mine the rest of bitcoin in two weeks if they really wanted with their infrastructure. It would be more profitable than what they're doing now if it's going to 50k. Why has no big company done this? They're not stupid, that's why.

From the other thread, just show us any sale you've made with bitcoin. You certainly have sold some or at least made a transaction with it to show us you actually hold bitcoin.
287   WookieMan   2019 Jun 3, 7:01pm  

Jesus. I'm done. For now...
288   EBGuy   2019 Jun 12, 2:11pm  

WookieMan says
And for fucks sake, Apple or Google could mine the rest of bitcoin in two weeks if they really wanted with their infrastructure.

Why can't I access by favorite cat video Youtuber? The algorithm has determined that bitcoin mining is now more profitable than a MeowMix ad. Wait a minute... okay, we now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
289   CBOEtrader   2019 Jun 13, 8:50pm  

Newbie123 says
Nice

https://www.coindesk.com/reuters-bloomberg-and-tradingview-to-add-new-cryptocurrency-index

Reuters and Bloomberg are adding a crypto index. Main stream media is adopting crypto more and more.


Quoting an index takes little effort, and exactly zero risk.

When legit exchanges list crypto futures, then we've made it

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