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Strategist saysGoran_K saysThe way I see it from my few days of being a mod, PCgyver, justme, and errr have been getting away with quite a bit already and should have more scrutiny. I didn’t ban errr even though his rant yesterday included a racist insult about my wife’s ethnicity.
It was clearly unacceptable. Errc usually provides intelligent input, wether you agree with him or not. He just happened to lose it yesterday, and even he would agree it was NOT acceptable.
I just think we need, lets call it "Universal Patnet Rules"
Agreed. I’d like clarification from the big boss about personal attacks. So far I’ve been operating under the zero tolerance policy. But if people get 3-4 free shots before deletions, then I’ll adapt. But we need a guideline that everyone sees across all forums.
Permanent-ban all liberals and problems solved
Capitalism = winning and losing; those that lose do without.
In health care, that can translate into dying in front of a hospital because you don't have money or insurance.
Whatever the right answer is for health care, pure capitalism isn't it.
Interesting points. I find it funny that to get the care we get here in the US and avoid the rationing line for NHS you still end up going to a private clinic.
That’s difficult to do since all procedures are slightly different. What’s the price difference between repairing a spiral fracture of the tibia vs repairing a compound fracture of the shoulder? Depends right? You would have to analyze the damage and difficulty of the repair and treatment.
I see your point though. I do want more transparency into pricing in the health care market where it’s easy to do so.
Goran_K saysThat’s difficult to do since all procedures are slightly different. What’s the price difference between repairing a spiral fracture of the tibia vs repairing a compound fracture of the shoulder? Depends right? You would have to analyze the damage and difficulty of the repair and treatment.
I see your point though. I do want more transparency into pricing in the health care market where it’s easy to do so.
Where do you think posting prices would be easy to do? Why do you believe that any other specialty would not have slightly different procedures also? No doctor knows what you will need until they look and see what is wrong.
I’ve never had any problems with health care access in America. My per family member maximums are $300 per individual. After that everything is literally free.
I can see pretty much any specialist in a single day except for surgeons (saw one 6 years ago for my back and that was a 3 days to appointment and then 4 days to surgery situation so still lightening fast).
Rationed healthcare simply doesn’t seem desirable to me. I don’t want to wait 20 weeks to see someone when I’m ill and suffering. That’s inhumane.
Goran_K saysI’ve never had any problems with health care access in America. My per family member maximums are $300 per individual. After that everything is literally free.
I can see pretty much any specialist in a single day except for surgeons (saw one 6 years ago for my back and that was a 3 days to appointment and then 4 days to surgery situation so still lightening fast).
Rationed healthcare simply doesn’t seem desirable to me. I don’t want to wait 20 weeks to see someone when I’m ill and suffering. That’s inhumane.
and your health care costs how much a year for how many people?
No one is waiting 20 weeks that is ill and suffering anywhere in the first world. You keep making this up.
I don’t want to be forced to subsidize others.
As for no one is suffering and waiting to die under socialized care in the “first world”, have you not heard of the VA? You should talk to some of the families of dead veterans who didn’t get care in time because of rationing. People die from rationing all the time.
Terrible and inhumane.
best expert MDs for pretty much every condition.
I don’t want to be forced to subsidize others.
As for no one is suffering and waiting to die under socialized care in the “first world”, have you not heard of the VA? You should talk to some of the families of dead veterans who didn’t get care in time because of rationing. People die from rationing all the time.
Terrible and inhumane.
My health care is fairly priced for the service
Japan has the best for many or most specialties, while Britain and Japan have probably the best for routine things. America has a few examples of excellence, e.g. Mayo Clinic, but overall the most uneven system in the world. Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the USA. Entrepreneurial overutilization can be hazardous to your health, even fatal.
My health care is fairly priced for the service.
I don’t want to be forced to subsidize others.
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You don’t seem familiar with the concept of insurance, and how it works.
I don’t want to be forced to subsidize your hypochondria
@Patrick, who is deleting my comments? I can see that the comments marked as uncivil go to jail, but who is deleting my other comments, and why?
Goran_K saysBernie quietly scrubbed his website of all praise towards Chavez/Maduro’s regime.
Do you have any proof of this? Care to provide it, or are people just supposed to take you at your word?
Patrick, who is deleting my comments? I can see that the comments marked as uncivil go to jail, but who is deleting my other comments, and why?
errc saysPatrick, who is deleting my comments? I can see that the comments marked as uncivil go to jail, but who is deleting my other comments, and why?
I have deleted a few that were clearly simply personal attacks, mostly from comment jail, and mostly from anon users. Don't blame Goran.
Maybe there should be a delete buffer, where things go before they disappear completely.
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech
Now can someone tell me if socialism is so great, and according to Bernie Sanders the American Dream is more apt to be realized in Venezuela, why do Venezuelan grocery stores look like this?
but it's total equality now, everyone is a millionnaire... just like liberals want.
If everyone is a millionaire, then a million dollars isn’t worth much at all. Just ask the people of Zimbabwe how that works.
Here’s a question you didn’t answer. Like I said, you won’t answer because you can’t
Which is also I said things like this are meant to be uncivil and inflammatory, otherwise you wouldn’t be afraid to answer simple questions like “provide proof?”
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?
Wow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech
errc saysWow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech
What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?
Do you agree or disagree with his statement?
errc saysWow, what a sad change of pace. Just months ago you were promoting liberal ideals like Freedom of Speech. Now you’re censoring anything that isn’t lockstep with far right idiocy. R.I.P. Freedom of Speech
What the hell? Were you hacked or just higher than normal when you posted around 30 personal attacks? Censoring those has always been in the cards, so don’t whine like a little bitch when the moderators enforce the (very simple) rules!
I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head
errc says
I also am of the opinion that saying “were you just higher than normal” is uncivil and intentionally attacking the person rather than the message, but I’d wager that the moderator will let it fly because in his head
Well I'm also allowing "Obviously, empowering a right wing hyper partisan liar as mod of the Politics forum", and I also didn't delete your vicious racial slur against my wife (someone else did), so let's see where this goes. Maybe you have an interesting point, or maybe you're just throwing a tantrum. We'll see.
One posted is factual
The other is a direct personal attack and character assassination.
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This is why leftism in America is so dangerous. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You work, you eat. Basic fundemental truth that has rung true for over 2,000,000 years of homonsapien history.