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I just checked the thread. Patrick not only deleted the post, he deleted the actual user account. I knew Patrick wouldn't leave such a post up despite your claims.
errc says
Patrick definitely didn’t delete it. Hell, he may have been one of the Likes. Patrick also denies that racism exists lol
So yes, you were dishonest, and it's a shame that you feel the need to act this way.
errc saysYou have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator
You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?
Got any proof?
Goran_K sayserrc saysFind it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread
I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?
I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator
You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
errc saysGoran_K sayserrc saysFind it yourself. It’s in the Trump inauguration thread
I don't believe the post exist and do not believe Patrick would leave such a post up. So why would I look for something that I know doesn't exist?
I bumped the thread. So now what do you have to say?
You have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator
You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
To be fair, he said that he didn't think that the post exists in one sentence. He then said that he knew it didn't exist in the next sentence. That is the kind of clear thinking and excellent writing that we should all strive to achieve.
errc saysSniper sayserrc saysYou have a lot of nerve calling me a liar. Not very civil coming from a moderator
You said you know it doesn’t exist. Why do you feel the need to lie?
Speaking of lies, why do you continually accuse people of things, but can't provide a single piece of EVIDENCE to support your accusations?
Got any proof?
Yep i bumped the thread with the quote that captured your post calling the President a nigger.
Are you denying that now?
Change of heart?
How is that proof?
How do we know you didn't go in and edit that comment that guy made when you quoted it? You probably changed his quote just so you could make some obscure point.
Also, why are you so bu...
Bernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.
Strategist saysBernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.
Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?
Many of us came here for a civil exchange of ideas, driven by a thirst for knowledge. What happened over time, in your opinion? Why was civility lost and who is responsible?
Strategist saysBernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.
Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?
errc saysWe know because we saw it with our own eyes.
Who's "we"? Do you have multiple Alts here?
errc saysDo you wish to renege on what you said?
Who's "you"?
You missed this question;
Sniper saysAlso, why are you so butthurt over a comment that was made almost a year ago? Are you really that sensitive?
Errc, for someone who likes to swear at people and call them all types of vulgar names, you seem to be a bit hypocritical, right?
justme saysThe above is why I came here, too. I wanted facts that I could not find elsewhere. I wanted insight. I wanted knowledge. I wanted the stuff that was not in the newspaper because the newspapers were completely controlled by Realtor advertising dollars. But apparently knowledge is no longer what this site is about.
So, you think coming to a PRIVATELY owned forum full of anonymous posters should be the source for accurate facts and knowledge?
You do get plenty here that's not in the newspapers, and not found elsewhere, so why are you upset about that?
Either way he’s lying.
The post still exists in the form of a captured quote. You yourself corroborated that you bared witness
errc saysI always assumed he did it intentionally to be uncivil.
Speaking of uncivil
justme saysStrategist saysBernie is an idiot. According to him, if everyone makes Zero, you are better off because you are equal.
Is it ok to call this for what it is -- a LIE?
Sure. Now explain why you believe it’s a lie.
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.
The normal way of having a discussion is that the person that makes a claim has to back it up. It is not my job to prove that Bernie dd not make that statement. It is the job of Stragist to provide a solid reference to Bernie making such a statement.
Whoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules
errc saysWhoa Goran will have to ban you for doing that he said it’s bigly against the rules
What is against the rules?
Thought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?
errc saysThought you said dragging comments from uncivil jail and reposting them to threads was against your rules?
I allowed you to drag out and post a comment where someone named Ironman called Obama a racial slur and allowed that to be posted and discussed through numerous posts.
Here, Sniper is asking you a question, and making a point about your previous vicious racial slurs towards me and my wife.
I'm just trying to be even handed here.
Of course I could delete all of your posts about Ironman's racial slur, and also Sniper's comments about your racist tirade as well.
Which way do you think would be preferable?
Yea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!
We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?
Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?
errc saysYea except you’re lying I didn’t take a post from uncivil jail and repost it to the mains. You were calling me a liar and asked for the proof!
We’re you just baiting me to break your rules?
Why do you feel the need to keep being so dishonest?
No I gave you a one time exception because I didn't believe you that Patrick would leave that type of comment up, and I was right, the comment was zapped.
Since I gave you a one-time exception, I think it fair to give one to Sniper.
(Please no more posting errrc's openly vicious racist tirade anymore though Sniper, if you could, thanks)
Sure, but in the interest of generating debate, why don't you challenge his points and point out where there is dishonesty? Wouldn't that be more fun?
I've never cared much about volume.
Again with the lying.
Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.
This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.
Simple enough
And by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that
errc says
Again with the lying.
Patrick never censored the post where Sniper/Ironman called Obama a nigger. All of his posts were scrubbed wheN Patrick banned him for trolling his site with personal attacks 24/7.
This is provable. Simply ask @Patrick to confirm that he removed the post in question for being uncivil, and I’ll retract the accusations that you are lying.
Simple enough
If Patrick confirms what you're saying is correct about the Obama N-word comment, then of course I'll admit I was wrong. But in the grand scheme of things, it's no big deal to me, but thanks for your efforts.
I hope we can both agree that openly vicious racism is extremely hateful and the person who would use racism to hurt other people is probably a person who lacks moral character.
If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?
I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.
If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example
errc says
If you’re open to the possibility that you are wrong, why did you default by calling me a liar?
I’m confident you won’t find an honest person to agree with you that you can both act that way and except nor request, civility.
If you want civility, you’re going to have to lead by example
I never called your a liar. I simply said I don't believe the post was left up, and I was right.
justme saysAnd by the way, your statement about wanting to "generate debate" is diametrically opposed to what you said in MY thread, where you stated that
Goran_K saysI've never cared much about volume.
Yes, I want quality over volume. Right now what is happening here, between us, is just volume. I don't really think it helps the website.
errc saysSo you don’t find it offensive when Sniper/Ironman posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!” At The President, because racism doesn’t exist?
I never saw him post that. I'm sure Patrick deleted it if that did happen.
I disagree. It sure as heck is not just volume. Pointing out the shortcomings and self-contradictions of an omnipotent moderator is QUALITY, and to borrow a phrase, quality of the BELTFED variety. Nothing is more important than taking the moderators to task when they do wrong, as you have (IMO) done. Moderation by an omnipotent moderator has been an unmitigated disaster. That is my opinion.
I'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.
Goran_K saysI'm not sure moderation has had zero effect. Just look at how civil your post was. I'm impressed to be honest, and you got your point across. Good job.
My recent comment was no more and maybe even slightly less "civil" than the comment I posted that you banned me for, and that the crowd-censors jailed me for. So, yeah, some progress has been made, not because of omnipotent moderation, but rather in spite of omnipotent moderation.
But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.
But the fact remains that omnipotent moderation and mob-based prosecution must be stopped.
Unless your goal is to suppress free speech, and silence any dissenting opinions and critiques. Maybe that is what Patrick is going for these days
I honestly wish I could have Hitler and Mohammed on here. They would probably have a lot of interesting points. I think they'd get along, too.
I honestly wish I could have Hitler and Mohammed on here. They would probably have a lot of interesting points. I think they'd get along, too.
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This is why leftism in America is so dangerous. There is no such thing as a free lunch. You work, you eat. Basic fundemental truth that has rung true for over 2,000,000 years of homonsapien history.