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errc saysThe ultimate irony is that when Patrick made an attempt to clean up the forum and rid it of ad hominem attacks, the right wingers were all up in arms whinging about muh Free Speech!!
Yet once a Right Wing friendly mod is assigned with censoring political posts, none of them made a peep. How pathetically sad
You know, you're free to go off and start your own forum and moderate it the way you want. You can call it:
errc.net
Then, you can invite all your special friends over to post all the left wing radical liberal posts they want.
Why don't you go do that? It will be great.
The daily posters both L/R are so focused on who next they can attack the tree is invisible. To bad you all don't take a month off and then come back with new perspective and perhaps new ppl to attack. This site is conditioned as is and there is no fix..... This is as good as it gets boys and girls....
Goran_K lol.... Patrick wants Volume you may not care about it however the conditioning I mention will make sure "you" get your wish low volume. Patnet had its day and now just critical mass keyboard verbal war mongers and he can continue down this dead end road as long as he wishes and the only change that will take place is more people not giving 2cents to be a part of this endless mess....
It is the price of FREE!dom.
The idea that posters must be "civil" to other users but need not be civil to anyone else is a very strange concept.
You can say that Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump are idiots, but of either of these persons create a (real or fake?) account, then you can't speak frankly about them anymore.
The idea that posters must be "civil" to other users but need not be civil to anyone else is a very strange concept.
You can say that Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump are idiots, but of either of these persons create a (real or fake?) account, then you can't speak frankly about them anymore.
Goran can say that he fucking hates leftists, but if I say that anyone who characterizes the proposed tax cuts as a cut for the poor is a liar or moron, it is straight to jail. Clear as day.
I'll try to be better in the future.
Should I say 'a liar, a moron, or indoctrinated?' you characterized the left as indoctrinated in another thread, so is that ok?
Patrick, you've created so much rage here that I think it's time you said something about it. Do you think it's better now? I think it's a toilet now.
mell saysI don't see many people raging, only a select few. The same ones. It's just one of many forums. Maybe ask Patrick to create a Politics2 topic and make JustMe moderator and see how he fares. There are so many things to discuss, why rage on in this thread just because one person you don't like became a moderator and is following the rule of no personal attacks? Don't get hung up on one person or rule (which is not that hard to follow btw.)
Take one look at the jail and tell me this hasn't become an embarrassment.
Its a pity for the last 70 odd years under American leadership, the world has been a peaceful and prosperous place. Now thanks to Trump, he has hastened the decline of America and gladly handed over the reins to Russia and China. The worst president ever.
^^^ Deleted by Goran to enforce the site's political agenda ^^^
Just another alt right echo chamber censored to prevent people from disagreeing.
anon_7c0c9 saysIts a pity for the last 70 odd years under American leadership, the world has been a peaceful and prosperous place. Now thanks to Trump, he has hastened the decline of America and gladly handed over the reins to Russia and China. The worst president ever.
^^^ Deleted by Goran to enforce the site's political agenda ^^^
Just another alt right echo chamber censored to prevent people from disagreeing.
Uh I didn’t delete that comment. You do know that uncivil is available to everyone. If I had the ability I would actually unjail that comment and a few others.
I only delete comments where it’s becoming a back and forth off topic personal battle. Even then I try to be very judicious about it.
The performance being done is that the right is trying to drive away the left so that patnet can become a right wing think tank. @patrick if this is your intention just tell us now and we will stop fighting for patnet. If you are planning to remake patnet into a right wing think tank then Goran is a perfect moderator. Is that your intentions?
If you are planning to remake patnet into a right wing think tankregurgitation tank, maybe. It's a safe space for cud.
anon_7c0c9 saysPatrick, you've created so much rage here that I think it's time you said something about it. Do you think it's better now? I think it's a toilet now.
I don't see many people raging, only a select few. The same ones. It's just one of many forums. Maybe ask Patrick to create a Politics2 topic and make JustMe moderator and see how he fares. There are so many things to discuss, why rage on in this thread just because one person you don't like became a moderator and is following the rule of no personal attacks? Don't get hung up on one person or rule (which is not that hard to follow btw.)
The performance being done is that the right is trying to drive away the left so that patnet can become a right wing think tank. @patrick if this is your intention just tell us now and we will stop fighting for patnet. If you are planning to remake patnet into a right wing think tank then Goran is a perfect moderator. Is that your intentions?
I encourage you to keep "fighting". Bring out the ideas of the left and show them for their real value. If the value of leftism is so important, you should have no problem presenting and debating leftism on PatNet without resorting to personal insults.
Poobah Pat oppresses me all the time.
It is the price of FREE!dom.
Maybe it’s your own love of Republicans and disdain of Democrats that has you seeing this with such bias. Goran treats people who aren’t rabid right wingers way differently than he does those that he views as being on his team. It’s plain as day to anyone with a brain who doesn’t participate in the silly partisanship
Right wing think tank lol lol lol lol lmao lmao lol
Where they all whine and cry about how some 120lb dweeb at Berkeley is keeping them from sharing their ideas and restricting their free Speech, and then never ever present any unique ideas?
I encourage you to follow the rules and not take posts off topic. I am specifically referring to where you said
"To leftists ... I fucking hate these people."
What exactly did your comment have to do with China, the OP? Lead by example, Goran, or tell Patrick you resign because you are unfit for the job.
The performance being done is that the right is trying to drive away the left so that patnet can become a right wing think tank.
anon_13ce6 saysThe performance being done is that the right is trying to drive away the left so that patnet can become a right wing think tank.
BS. Your opinion is welcome.
There has never been a push to ban anyone but Ironman and TPB as far as I can remember.
So perhaps if you want a better community, one with the type of quality content you seek, maybe you should look in the mirror and figure out what you can do to personally improve the communities quality first. Just a suggestion!
I have and I'm doing it.
Actually, Ironman was number one liked
I wonder if @Patrick has just staged a piece of censorship Performance Art by instituting omnipotent censorship, under the guise of "moderation", and crowd-sourced mass-silencing (encouraging the use of the "uncivil" button) on patrick.net.
Yeah. We remember what happened to roberto, logan, and gary.
See the thing is, as a libertarian, I invite all trans-identities to come and enjoy PatNet.
Transgenderism, transracial, pretty much most trans anything is just misdiagnosed mental illness.
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It is more than a little ironic (but should not be surprising to any serious student of human nature) that right-wingers appear to be every bit as eager to censor their opponents as they have recently been accusing the left-wingers of being. And by that I mean the last several years of talk about liberals and their desire for "safe spaces" on and off university campuses, calling them "special snowflakes", and so on.
Well, the right-wing has in recent days been out in force on Patnet, trying to enforce a "safe space" , free of "uncivility" and "NSFW" material, and acting like special snowflakes themselves. And boy, are these right-wing special snowflakes melting down Patnet in a volcanic eruption of censorship actions.
The famous 1960s psychological experiment known as the Stanford Prisoner Project comes to mind as an analogy of sorts. That experiment showed what happens when you give authority for random people to control other random people. What soon happened was not pretty. Read up on it if you want.
Finally, I will revisit and highlight a suggestion I have made several times this year:
What I would like to see is to have free speech, and at the same time avoid massive storms of low-quality comments. For a blog, I think that means to make threads and comments a limited commodity for all posters. Specifically, to limit the number of threads that a user can post on any given day to 1 or 2, and to limit how many comments every user can post on every thread to 10, or 10% of the total number of comments on the thread, whichever is larger.
The purpose of moderation should not be to censor certain forms of expression, but rather to make everyone's time (or space) on the proverbial soapbox a valuable commodity. That way, users are more likely to spend their posting currency wisely. Users who wastes their currency by posting low-quality drivel will lose esteem, or at the very least not be able to dominate the discussion based on volume posted only.
Think of it as rules of order, a very lightweight and blog-adapted version of Robert's rules of order. (By the way, a quite well-known now former pat-netter just mentioned Robert's rules just days ago, and is hereby recognized.)
PS: I very well understand the meta-question as to whether the impact of a blog, as measured by commercial value or informative value, or even political/propaganda value(!), is reduced when the number of threads or comments are somewhat limited. I think many people may think so, perhaps even Patrick himself. Personally, I will take quality over quantity any day.
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