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Sniper says

marcus says

Trump will hit 2000 false or misleading statements before finishing his first year.

Talk about disingenuous, but we wouldn't expect anything different from WaPo.

Marcus, did yo-u actually READ the article linked??

WaPo went and counted the same comment multiple times to get to their 2000 number. Talk about dishonesty and click bait:

Shame on you Marcus. How could you?

Strategist says

WaPo went and counted the same comment multiple times to get to their 2000 number. Talk about dishonesty and click bait:

I know. They make that extremely clear. It's how often he lies, not the number of distinct lies. If they're going to
say he tells 5 falsehoods or misleading statements per day, of course many are repeats.

What kind of President repeats falsehoods multiple times after the media and his own people have corrected him on it multiple times. He might wish it were true. Or he might think it sounds good to a certain segment of his supporters. But if he knows it's outright false, what's up with that ?

It's almost like we have CIC as our President.

Jeez, even Trump would have had a hard time coming up with 2000 distinct different lies in a year. But I give you guys credit for thinking maybe that's what he did. It means you know your guy !

Sniper says

So see Marcus, it doesn't get anymore dishonest than this by claiming Trump told 2000 lies, when all WaPo did was RECOUNT the same ones over and over. And the TDS crowd believes it.

So it’s OK to repeat the same lie 50 odd times even when it was pointed out as a lie the first time it was said? That’s acceptable to you, is it? Apparently it is as the only problem you appear to have with it is the fact WaPo is drawing attention to it. Why not just accept he lies too much?

Sniper says

marcus says

I know. They make that extremely clear. It's how often he lies, not the number of distinct lies.

So, if that's the benchmark yo-u want to go by, should we fact check how many times Obama told the same lies in my list above? Want to guess how many times he said "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"?

marcus says

What kind of President repeats falsehoods multiple times after the media and his own people have corrected him on it multiple times. He might wish it were true. Or he might think it sounds good to a certain segment of his supporters. But if he knows it's outright false, what's up with that ?

That was Obama, it doesn't get much clearer.

marcus says

Jeez, even Trump ...

Did you complain about Obama’s lies when he was in power? Yes or no. Who is in power now? It doesn’t always have to be whatabout... strangely enough.

Sniper says

Except, WaPo was being dishonest (I know, shocking isn't it) and making readers believe he lied 2000 times, instead of repeating a few multiple times. There's a difference, not that you'll admit that.

How was it being dishonest when it specifically stated exactly what it was doing at the beginning of the article? Being dishonest is repeating a lie 50 odd times even when it's been clearly spelt out to you that it's not true.

Trump is being a politician. If it sounds better to say “American businesses pay the highest taxes!” Then he says that. Even if it’s not absolutely strictly true in the entire world. The point is thus made: “American corporate taxes are too high.”
And thanks to his bold statement, the word gets out. Even fact checking this statement for niggling errors doesn’t hurt the true goal, but promotes it! People learn even more about how high the USA corporate tax is in relation to other nations.

Is it strictly a true statement? No. Probably someone somewhere pays more. But it’s not misleading in purpose: the effect of saying “we pay very high tax relative to our competitors” or saying “our corporate taxes are the most in the world!” It’s more sensational and thus more eye and ear grabbing to say the second rather than the dry and uninspiring truth. This is why successful politicians don’t stick to the truth.

I think when Trump starts lying about things people actually care about, they will care that he’s lying.

I don't mind lowering the corporate rates, and suggested as much during the campaign. The reason is simple.
Companies can push net income around to avoid taxes. Ideally, it is combined with corporate tax reform, so that the effective rate becomes competitive, but not a giveaway. We are after all a prestigious place to be located, and should not be begging companies with lower than typical taxes. They should have done it in such a way to make it revenue neutral. That is, companies should bring income home to the US and the net taxes should remain similar to what they were before.
However, we should not have given away the store to LLCs, which the Trump family uses to house their real estate investments - both the showy flagship places and the slumlord areas where they sue poor people into oblivion. In addition, the changes on the personal side seem both arbitrary (way to punish blue states) and excessive considering our large debt, low unemployment, and expanding economy.

When I was a kid growing up catholic, I learned that you told the same lie to your parents 5 times, on five different occasions, then obviously when you go to confession you tell the priest you lied 5 times. You might elaborate and tell him it was the same lie, but you absolutely did not say you lied once.

Trump is a pathological liar. A bullshitter, even to himself. The idea that he is on a level similar to other politicians with this is, well, a lie.